Vote for any and all of the guys in the list who you believe doped for performance enhancement while racing.

Who the hell is ulrich?

Haven't seen any evidence of Levi or Contrador as of yet (I know Contrador was originally named in Puerto but if you do some research you'll find that it was later dismissed because there was no actual evidence). Not that I would be supprised but I don't believe EVERYONE is doped.

That is sad. That so many have so little faith.

Who the hell is ulrich?
Doh! If a moderator can add the missing "l", that would be great.

Haven't seen any evidence of Levi or Contrador as of yet (I know Contrador was originally named in Puerto but if you do some research you'll find that it was later dismissed because there was no actual evidence). Not that I would be supprised but I don't believe EVERYONE is doped.
Why not?

Why not?Because I'm not a miserable knee jerk cynic.

Doh! If a moderator can add the missing "l", that would be great.
ha ha!

Now it's Ullllrich!

Floyd Landis, less than lance.... wtf

Floyd Landis, less than lance.... wtf
:eek:

Bizarre.

Floyd Landis, less than lance.... wtf

I'm surprised you're surprised.

I think the only one's to test positive were Vino, Tyler & Landis. I'm really not crazy about the "guilty till proven innocent" system. You can suspect everyone, but I'd like "positive" proof before ruining a career. Just my .02.

Where is one for "all of the above"

Where is one for "all of the above"
Technical limitations... you can clip on all of them.

Interesting that Levi is the only one with less than 50% choosing him to be a doper.
In retrospect, i wish I had Cadel up there instead of Basso.

All of them dope

That is sad. That so many have so little faith.

Yeah - faith always serves us better. Just ask Americans and President Bush about the War in Iraq. We had faith he would tell us the truth. Seemed to work.

I think the only one's to test positive were Vino, Tyler & Landis. I'm really not crazy about the "guilty till proven innocent" system. You can suspect everyone, but I'd like "positive" proof before ruining a career. Just my .02.


First of all - this is not a court of law within the United States.

Secondly - Rasmussan technically under your approach should be riding, correct. I mean, he lied, evaded and essentially was bull-s&*ting the entire world about his whereabouts, but, lets give him the benefit of doubt on this one, heh.:rolleyes:

I think the only one's to test positive were Vino, Tyler & Landis. I'm really not crazy about the "guilty till proven innocent" system. You can suspect everyone, but I'd like "positive" proof before ruining a career. Just my .02.
Oh please. This is how the real world works.

From another thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=325810):

1) As other have noted this is not a court of law, the comparisons don't apply.

2) These guys agree in advance to adhere to certain rules, and accept certain consequences if they don't follow those rules. Ras was guilty of not following a rule that he agreed to follow, and the result is him suffering the consequences that he had accepted in advance as part of his contract and license to race. What's unjust about that? He is not assumed to be guilty. He is flat-out guilty of not reporting where he was, and lying about it, period. Now, the reason those rules are in place is to allow for an effective system for monitoring and controlling doping, but that's beside the point. The rules are the rules, he agreed to follow them, then didn't. The assumptions of guilt about his doping are irrelevant to the justification of the treatment that he received.

Exactly. These guys enter into a contract with their employers. That contract limits their rights. When they violate the contract they (nor you) can't then fall back to the innocent until proven guilty argument. If they don't like the terms of the contract they are free to look elsewhere for employment.

Where is all of the above...I believe all of them do, period. (beyond that very short list)

Where is all of the above...I believe all of them do, period. (beyond that very short list)
You have to click on each one separately.

I picked none because I couldnt resist being the first one to.

Its all to do with gambling anyways. Thats where the real money is made in cycling after all.

Its all to do with gambling anyways. Thats where the real money is made in cycling after all.


have you been sniffing rim cement??

I picked none. I don't believe that any pro cyclists dope.

Note that I was shocked when I heard Keith Richards took drugs.

Who the hell is ulrich?


:roflmao:

I think the only one's to test positive were Vino, Tyler & Landis. I'm really not crazy about the "guilty till proven innocent" system. You can suspect everyone, but I'd like "positive" proof before ruining a career. Just my .02.

Helmet Head, Blaireau and VT Biker are the unofficial heads of the BF Doping Kangaroo Court. While I share some measure of their cynicism. Their unwaivering assertions of certainty about things that they in fact do not have absolute knowledge of is mildly disconcerting.

If anti-doping efforts are to be effective, it can ill afford misfires from authorities shooting from the hip. I'm all for seeing the cheaters out the door, but not at the expense of utilizing a credible and just process that safeguards against the potential for testing error. Due care needs to be exercised to ensure that the good are not thrown out with the bad. This level of care tends to be absent when people are fanatically engaged in a crusade.