As a fan of Barloworld, and a fan of Soler, if this is true, and Soler was found with a positive urine sample as well as the Barloworld bus being raided, what will this mean?

I guess it Corti is known for having managed some fairly dubious teams in the past Seaco being one. But I let hope get the best of me.




http://tour.tv2.dk/article.php/id-7719616.html

As a fan of Barloworld, and a fan of Soler, if this is true, and Soler was found with a positive urine sample as well as the Barloworld bus being raided, what will this mean?

I guess it Corti is known for having managed some fairly dubious teams in the past Seaco being one. But I let hope get the best of me.

http://tour.tv2.dk/article.php/id-7719616.html


For those who can't get to the link:

"Nettet er ved at strammes om den colom*bianske bjergrytter Mauricio Soler Her*nandez fra Team Barloworld.

Tidligere på dagen oplyste Radio Fran*ce, at en af de ryttere, som var iført en af Tourens førertrøjer efter 14. etape, var testet positiv for doping, og i følge TV 2 Sportens oplysninger har Barloworld her til aften fået uan*meldt besøg af det franske politi.

"Hårdnakkede rygter vil i hvert fald vide, at Soler er under kraftig mistan*ke for at være den seneste dopingsyn*der", siger TV 2 Sportens reporter Jasper Stadum fra Frankrig fredag aften.

Den positive urinprøve er taget på Plateau de Beille, efter at Alberto Contador havde besejret Michael Rasmussen i deres direkte duel.

Sent fredag eftermiddag steg mistanken mod Soler i og med, at bookmaker-firmaer i såvel England som Italien har lukket for spil på, at Soler indtager Paris i den prikkede trøje."

... Brad

^^^Does this say that Soler failed a pee test and that the police raided the Barloworld hotel? Or does it say that someone failed a pee test, Soler was one of those tested, and that police raided a Barloworld bus? Can anyone translate?

If it's true, it's pretty tragic. Cinderella story . . . and now we find out that Cinderella dopes?

As a fan of Barloworld, and a fan of Soler, if this is true, and Soler was found with a positive urine sample as well as the Barloworld bus being raided, what will this mean?I guess it Corti is known for having managed some fairly dubious teams in the past Seaco being one. But I let hope get the best of me.




http://tour.tv2.dk/article.php/id-7719616.html

-- the scales will drop from your eyes?

-- at some point every bike racing fan wants to believe someone will/has not doped and perhaps it's soler for you?

ed rader

Well,

I am even though I was rooting for Soler, I am not going to defend him in any way, unlike many Vina / Rassy fans. He and Corti should be punished if this is true.

Lets face it - the guy is 24, but did not start riding until 17, in Columbia, which while known for producing great climbers, is not known for providing a great development program to the point where someone who is 17 should be competing at the top levels of cycling as Soler is.

Again - I hope this is a rumor, but if not, the blood letting needs to continue.

Not saying it's not true...but my usual international haunts show nada and also checked Velo, Cyclingnews, and Pez.

Film at 11...

For those who can't get to the link:

"Nettet er ved at strammes om den colom*bianske bjergrytter Mauricio Soler Her*nandez fra Team Barloworld.

Tidligere på dagen oplyste Radio Fran*ce, at en af de ryttere, som var iført en af Tourens førertrøjer efter 14. etape, var testet positiv for doping, og i følge TV 2 Sportens oplysninger har Barloworld her til aften fået uan*meldt besøg af det franske politi.

"Hårdnakkede rygter vil i hvert fald vide, at Soler er under kraftig mistan*ke for at være den seneste dopingsyn*der", siger TV 2 Sportens reporter Jasper Stadum fra Frankrig fredag aften.

Den positive urinprøve er taget på Plateau de Beille, efter at Alberto Contador havde besejret Michael Rasmussen i deres direkte duel.

Sent fredag eftermiddag steg mistanken mod Soler i og med, at bookmaker-firmaer i såvel England som Italien har lukket for spil på, at Soler indtager Paris i den prikkede trøje."

... Brad

Uh, what about for those of us who don't speak moon-man? :)

Uh, what about for those of us who don't speak moon-man? :)

C'mon,

didn't you go to grade school. Anyone should be able to read this. It is easy.:rolleyes:

Well,

I am even though I was rooting for Soler, I am not going to defend him in any way, unlike many Vina / Rassy fans. He and Corti should be punished if this is true.

Lets face it - the guy is 24, but did not start riding until 17, in Columbia, which while known for producing great climbers, is not known for providing a great development program to the point where someone who is 17 should be competing at the top levels of cycling as Soler is.

Again - I hope this is a rumor, but if not, the blood letting needs to continue.

If this is true???

Folks! Listen up!

Tyler doped. Floyd doped. Basso doped. Ullrich doped. Yes, Lance doped.

Vino dopes. Ras dopes. They all dope. You can't be playing at that level without doping.

Soler dopes. Levi dopes. Cadel dopes.

The only issue is whether they can catch them or not.

If they managed to do he doping correctly they can continue to test "negative" and keep their stuff hidden. Or, they might make a mistake.

But, it's true.

C'mon,

didn't you go to grade school. Anyone should be able to read this. It is easy.:rolleyes:

Can someone give me a word for word of what it says in English?

Can someone give me a word for word of what it says in English?

Unfortunately,

my interpretation was based on someone else's comprehension of it on The Daily Peleton.com.

So no - I cannot translate it.

Here's a computer translation of the original text (it leaves much to be desired):

Freshened up are tightening about the Columbian mountain rider Mauricio Soler Her-nandez from Team Barloworld. earlier at the day informed Radio Fran-ce that tested positive Sporten's information was, and according to TV 2 Sporten's information here Barloworld just stage, tested positive Sporten's information was, and according to TV 2 Sporten's information just Barloworld here in the evening unannouncedly got visits of French police. "Stubborn rumors will in any case know that Suns are under strong suspicion in order to be the latest doping admirer", the TV 2 Sport's reporter Jasper Stadum from France says on Friday evening. The positive specimen of urine has gone on Plateau de Beille, after Alberto Contador had defeated Michael Rasmussen in their direct duel. Late on Friday afternoon the suspicion rose against Suns since bookmaker companies in both England and Italy have turned off game on that Suns conquer Paris in the dotted jumper.
-----------------------------

There was an earlier thread suggesting that there was a positive test from Stage 14, which is the stage this article is referring to.

If this is true???

Folks! Listen up!

Tyler doped. Floyd doped. Basso doped. Ullrich doped. Yes, Lance doped.

Vino dopes. Ras dopes. They all dope. You can't be playing at that level without doping.

Soler dopes. Levi dopes. Cadel dopes.

The only issue is whether they can catch them or not.

If they managed to do he doping correctly they can continue to test "negative" and keep their stuff hidden. Or, they might make a mistake.

But, it's true.

Is that you Greg?:rolleyes:

a different moon-man translation

There seems a new doping matter in gestation in the tour the France. After the fourteenth stage with arrival on plateau the Beille were decreased according to several sources a positive urine test. That then after Vinokourov and Moreni the third positive case in the tour would be.

It would concern Mauricio Soler, the drager of the bolletjestrui. At this moment there is an irruption of the French police force in the hotel of Barloworld to pace communicates our Danish colleagues of BT. But we could not get that confirmed. Tomorrow at 11 o'clock there is anyway a press conference.

The rumour which Soler positively would be has already looked after that bookmakers in United Kingdom and Italy have crossed out him.

from:
http://www.hln.be/hlns/cache/det/art_537132.html?wt.bron=homeArt1

C'mon,

didn't you go to grade school. Anyone should be able to read this. It is easy.:rolleyes:

The last time I saw all those bleebops and cosigns and other mathy/hieroglyphic looking things was 15 years ago for the Math II Achievement test. Didn't know what they meant then, don't know what they mean now! :eek:

Is that saying that bookies in London have taken him off the board for betting on the doper, or betting on him for GC since he is 9th.

I would bet, that is the Bookies do something, it is because they know it. And if he was taken off the board in London and Italy, my guess is they have inside information.

Here's a computer translation of the original text (it leaves much to be desired):
"Stubborn rumors will in any case know that Suns are under strong suspicion in order to be the latest doping admirer", the TV 2 Sport's reporter Jasper Stadum from France says on Friday evening. The positive specimen of urine has gone on Plateau de Beille, after Alberto Contador had defeated Michael Rasmussen in their direct duel. Late on Friday afternoon the suspicion rose against Suns since bookmaker companies in both England and Italy have turned off game on that Suns conquer Paris in the dotted jumper.
:eek: I'd hate to be the latest doping admirer in the dotted jumper.

"The net is beginning to tighten around the Columbian climber Mauricio Soler Hernandez of Team Barloworld.

Early Friday, Radio France reported that one of the riders wearing a Tour's leader jersey at the completion of the fourteenth stage had tested positive for doping. Further, according to information received by TV2 Sports, Team Barloworld received an unannounced visit from the French police Friday evening.

"In any case there are persistent rumors that Soler is under strong suspicion as the latest doping sinner," reported TV2 Sport's reporter Jasper Stadum from France on Friday evening.

The positive urine sample was taken at Plateau de Beille, after Alberto Contador had beaten Michael Rasmussen in the their one-on-one duel with each other.

Late Friday afternoon, suspicion had intensified about Soler, when bookmakers in England and Italy suspended betting on whether Soler would win the polka-dot jersey when the Tour reached Paris. "

The last time I saw all those bleebops and cosigns and other mathy/hieroglyphic looking things was 15 years ago for the Math II Achievement test. Didn't know what they meant then, don't know what they mean now! :eek:

hilarious :roflmao:

:eek: I'd hate to be the latest doping admirer in the dotted jumper.

yes, poor Suns

"The net is beginning to tighten around the Columbian climber Mauricio Soler Hernandez of Team Barloworld.

Late Friday afternoon, suspicion had intensified about Soler, when bookmakers in England and Italy suspended betting on whether Soler would win the polka-dot jersey when the Tour reached Paris. "

Boy, when the bookies think there's something up, it ain't a good sign.

Boy, when the bookies think there's something up, it ain't a good sign.

+1,000

And as I have said - these guys are plugged into the inside information. It is how they ensure they make money.

Maybe the bookies took him off because the KoM is done.

"The net is beginning to tighten around the Columbian climber Mauricio Soler Hernandez of Team Barloworld.

"

Good god, make it stop. Its Colombia, not Columbia!

If Soler goes that puts Contador in the dotted jumper with Popo 24 points behind him. Not bad for the Disco team.

Good god, make it stop. Its Colombia, not Columbia!

But not named after the Astana rider... :p :D

So then Rasmussen gets the KOM? LOL.

Seriously though. Do they really expect everyone to believe that Rasmussen, Vinokourov, Soler were doping and yet Contador beat them all (and nearly cracked Rasmussen on one stage) while being 100% clean?!

They are making the announcement at 11m local time tomorrow. Right now, all they are saying is that it was a jersey holder after stage 14 that tested positive. But the rumour is that its Soler, but it could be Boonen, Ras, or Contador as well.

www.tdfblog.com

If Soler goes that puts Contador in the dotted jumper with Popo 24 points behind him. Not bad for the Disco team.
If that happens, this is so good for Disco that it's bad. 2 podium spots, the white jersey, the polka dot jersey, 1st and 2nd in KOM, and likely the yellow jersey. Yeah, they're not doping.:rolleyes:

so let me ask you something. Say it comes out that Soler didnt fail a test. Will you still think he is doping because he was accused of it via rumors?

They are making the announcement at 11m local time tomorrow. Right now, all they are saying is that it was a jersey holder after stage 14 that tested positive. But the rumour is that its Soler, but it could be Boonen, Ras, or Contador as well.

www.tdfblog.com

I do not understand why they are waiting at this point? I mean, the other times, they carted the Cofidis rider right off the mountain top.

I hate the waiting game. Just get the bad news out now, so by tomorrow, it will have settled, we can all accept it, and watch the race without fuming the initial anger over the doper.

so let me ask you something. Say it comes out that Soler didnt fail a test. Will you still think he is doping because he was accused of it via rumors?
I thought he and most of the others are doping long before this rumor.

Let me ask you something: will you continue to believe that these riders are clean until they fail a test?

so let me ask you something. Say it comes out that Soler didnt fail a test. Will you still think he is doping because he was accused of it via rumors?
No, I will still think he is doping because of how he was able to ride competitevely with the best cyclists in the world who were doping in order to ride that well.

I do not understand why they are waiting at this point? I mean, the other times, they carted the Cofidis rider right off the mountain top.

I hate the waiting game. Just get the bad news out now, so by tomorrow, it will have settled, we can all accept it, and watch the race without fuming the initial anger over the doper.

The riders are sleeping now. They do need their rest - seriously.

The riders are sleeping now. They do need their rest - seriously.

I bet you Barloworld riders are not!!!

so let me ask you something. Say it comes out that Soler didnt fail a test. Will you still think he is doping because he was accused of it via rumors?

That's the problem with the rumor mill combined with the court of public opinion.

so let me ask you something. Say it comes out that Soler didnt fail a test. Will you still think he is doping because he was accused of it via rumors?

yes.

they all dope.

ed rader

I think what most people fail to get is with or without doping someone is the best. I don't know who it is, because I can't say with 100% accuracy who is doping and who is not. The best will always be suspected of doping, and with good reason. With that being said there is a rider out there that can drop the other riders. He is the best.

Richard

Honestly, I want to try doping too.

http://www.cyclingpost.com/tour/article_005202.shtml

At this point, I want some dope. It might cure my depression at this Tour.

If that happens, this is so good for Disco that it's bad. 2 podium spots, the white jersey, the polka dot jersey, 1st and 2nd in KOM, and likely the yellow jersey. Yeah, they're not doping.:rolleyes:

:eek:

Man, even if that doesn't happens, Disco obviously has the best doctors.

I bet you Barloworld riders are not!!!

You're right, but why give an official reason to deprive the people who will be riding tomorrow some sleep?

Honestly, I want to try doping too.

With all the risks these guys take to do it, I'm curious myself. I don't know that I'd want to sacrifice my body, but a scientific study that tracks the improvements of a rider on a tour-style doping program would be fascinating to read.

HGH is where it is at.

Richard

So, Contador and Boonen only ones left in 'Too good to be true' category.

What could be worse for the doping trolls than Contador with Yellow, White and the Dots, Levi on the podium, and Disco winning the team. I'll bet steam is coming out of their ears.

Richard

A Danish newspaper is reporting that a jersey holder tested positive after Stage 14, when Contador edged Rasmussen, and that Christian Prudhomme will announce the result in a press conference at 11 a.m. Saturday.

Your jerseys at that point were Rasmussen, Contador (white), Soler (polka-dot), and Boonen (green).

If it turns out to be Rasmussen, we may have more information on why he was withdrawn. If it's one of the others, they should just give it up.

Update: HLN.be reports that Barloworld's Mauricio Soler is the likely rider to be named, and that the team hotel has already been raided by police.
Wouldn't you think these guys would be smart enough to say to themselves "you know, there's a whole bunch of heat on cycling this year. I'm just gonna lay off the dope for this one race. After everything cools off I'll pick up again." Instead it appears other guys just took all the favs getting busted as their chance to be the next big thing.

http://a40.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/67/l_db786dc268bbf0c1844c09093071a1ff.gif

Perhaps Cannondale jumped the gun in regards to what exactly won the Polka Dot Jersey...