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skanking biker
07-31-07, 10:11 AM
Sorry if this has been posted, but this piece is horribly depressing, esp. the comments referred to in the title of this thread:

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/tourdefrance2007/story/0,,2137010,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=7

erader
07-31-07, 10:17 AM
Sorry if this has been posted, but this piece is horribly depressing, esp. the comments referred to in the title of this thread:

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/tourdefrance2007/story/0,,2137010,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=7


i wouldn't call contador and sinkewitz "old guys". i think wiggins has been listening to millar too much, another guy who doped while he was young.

ed rader

skanking biker
07-31-07, 10:26 AM
i wouldn't call contador and sinkewitz "old guys". i think wiggins has been listening to millar too much, another guy who doped while he was young.

ed rader

I believe he said "old guys and the riders who hang around them"

Smoothie104
07-31-07, 10:27 AM
like Lance and company

erader
07-31-07, 10:27 AM
I believe he said "old guys and the riders who hang around them"


the youngster seems puzzled that the guys he knows that dope are not bin ladenish type figures.

naive young fellow who likes to whine like his buddy millar is my take.



ed rader

skanking biker
07-31-07, 10:32 AM
the youngster seems puzzled that the guys he knows that dope are not bin ladenish type figures.

naive young fellow who likes to whine like his buddy millar is my take.



ed rader

How is that article whinning? It seems to me like he had a bucket of cold water dumped on his face.

erader
07-31-07, 10:41 AM
How is that article whinning? It seems to me like he had a bucket of cold water dumped on his face.

was the kid really that naive to think that when he hit the bigs everyone would quit doping?

one good thing i see this year is some riders are speaking out against doping where in the past the anger was directed at the raids, race organizations and the doping controls.

most riders won't speak out openly against each other...do you know why? it's the same reason that lawmakers will not outlaw pornography or support a lifelong loss of drivers license for drunk driving.

because they can see it happening to them.

ed rader

skanking biker
07-31-07, 11:46 AM
was the kid really that naive to think that when he hit the bigs everyone would quit doping?

one good thing i see this year is some riders are speaking out against doping where in the past the anger was directed at the raids, race organizations and the doping controls.

most riders won't speak out openly against each other...do you know why? it's the same reason that lawmakers will not outlaw pornography or support a lifelong loss of drivers license for drunk driving.

because they can see it happening to them.

ed rader


Well, yes, everyone expresses "shock" over "the incident" but no one expresses shock that rider x actually doped

erader
07-31-07, 12:09 PM
Well, yes, everyone expresses "shock" over "the incident" but no one expresses shock that rider x actually doped


so you think wiggens is the messiah of a new age of clean cycling? i just don't see any news value in this story.

ed rader

skanking biker
07-31-07, 12:14 PM
so you think wiggens is the messiah of a new age of clean cycling? i just don't see any news value in this story.

ed rader

Hey--whats with all the hostile attitude? ( i was actually agreeing with your previous post). I never said anything of the like re: Wiggins being a "messiah of clean cycling"; nor did I intimate as such. I was simply shocked over the comment he relayed from the other riders that day.

erader
07-31-07, 12:37 PM
Hey--whats with all the hostile attitude? ( i was actually agreeing with your previous post). I never said anything of the like re: Wiggins being a "messiah of clean cycling"; nor did I intimate as such. I was simply shocked over the comment he relayed from the other riders that day.

oh :).

i've gotten an overdose of whining wiggens thanx to phil and paul and i just wasn't feeling the newsworthiness of this kid or anything he has to say.

ed rader