ratebeer
08-02-07, 03:00 PM
In light of the Tour de France doping scandals, do you think your fellow riders are more or less likely to consider doping?
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ratebeer
08-02-07, 03:03 PM
All the talk seems to have increased interest, whether or not this translates to use, I don't know. But it seems more riders are asking about what they can get and how to use it.
DocRay
08-02-07, 03:03 PM
Given that these guys are not very bright, using substances that are known to be easily detected, I don't see any difference. Pro cyclists are hardly renowned for their intellect or integrity.
curiouskid55
08-02-07, 03:18 PM
Me and my fellow riders are all dopes.
CastIron
08-02-07, 03:59 PM
Trickle down.
As doping technology accelerates to beat ever more sophisticated testing, the cheaper less favored methods trickle down through the amateur ranks. There will always be a percentage who think it's worth it. The line is merely shades of gray. What shade is your limit?
As doping technology accelerates to beat ever more sophisticated testing, the cheaper less favored methods trickle down through the amateur ranks. There will always be a percentage who think it's worth it. The line is merely shades of gray. What shade is your limit?
Moochers_Dad
08-02-07, 04:35 PM
My fellow riders are all commuters and leisure cyclists along the lakefront path. I think they are clean (in regards to doping anyway...).
Ih8lucky13
08-02-07, 05:29 PM
Given that these guys are not very bright, using substances that are known to be easily detected, I don't see any difference. Pro cyclists are hardly renowned for their intellect or integrity.
You must be a pro cyclist then.
You must be a pro cyclist then.
Trevor98
08-03-07, 08:23 PM
I don't think any doping the professional practice is within the realm of possiblity for me and my fellow riders. What they do is expensive and risky. Any doping my peers might do is far less expensive but probably as dangerous, perhaps more dangerous, or utterly irrelevant.
What a ridiculous question.
What a ridiculous question.
YMCA
08-04-07, 01:59 AM
I don't think any doping the professional practice is within the realm of possiblity for me and my fellow riders. What they do is expensive and risky. Any doping my peers might do is far less expensive but probably as dangerous, perhaps more dangerous, or utterly irrelevant.
What a ridiculous question.
Not true. Doping to boost red blood cells is expensive, but there are plenty of weekend warriors with disposable income.
Plus, the run of the mill juicing is still quite cheap and available just about anywhere. Just look at all the high schoolers finding a way.
What a ridiculous question.
Not true. Doping to boost red blood cells is expensive, but there are plenty of weekend warriors with disposable income.
Plus, the run of the mill juicing is still quite cheap and available just about anywhere. Just look at all the high schoolers finding a way.
Voodoo76
08-04-07, 09:02 AM
Not true. Doping to boost red blood cells is expensive, but there are plenty of weekend warriors with disposable income.
Plus, the run of the mill juicing is still quite cheap and available just about anywhere. Just look at all the high schoolers finding a way.
+1 Much of the "Bike Porn" posted here, and ridden in the Cat5 ranks, would pay for considerable chemical perfomance enhancement. Equipment makers have been cashing in on dillusional yuppies, with more cash than common sense, for quite some time. So there's a ready market, and plently of free publicity! Hmm, sounds like a great business opportunity;)
Plus, the run of the mill juicing is still quite cheap and available just about anywhere. Just look at all the high schoolers finding a way.
+1 Much of the "Bike Porn" posted here, and ridden in the Cat5 ranks, would pay for considerable chemical perfomance enhancement. Equipment makers have been cashing in on dillusional yuppies, with more cash than common sense, for quite some time. So there's a ready market, and plently of free publicity! Hmm, sounds like a great business opportunity;)
Trevor98
08-04-07, 12:08 PM
Not true. Doping to boost red blood cells is expensive, but there are plenty of weekend warriors with disposable income.
Plus, the run of the mill juicing is still quite cheap and available just about anywhere. Just look at all the high schoolers finding a way.
What in the world does "run of the mill juicing" have to do with doping of TdF caliber athletes doping? Are you actually suggesting more riders would now use various illicit substances than before the TdF scandals? I can understand (but not condone) the use of PEDs by professionals to earn more money and be better at their jobs. On the other hand, I cannot accept that weekend warriors might decide (in any measurable numbers) to use any PEDs simply because of the recent scandals.
Sure, some weekend warriors will use PEDs to race on the MUPs or, at best, in Cat 4 or 5 races but that decision cannot be blamed on the TdF doping scandals but rather must be ascribed on the moral failings of those riders.
Plus, the "run of the mill juicing was quite cheap and available just about anywhere before the scandals- why would usage change? People either have the ethics to not cheat or don't. Do you honestly believe people are going to start using anabolic steroids because rider X was using EPO or homologous blood doping?
Questioning a causal link between TdF doping and amateur doping as done in the title of this thread is misleading in itself. It is a problematic question that should not be answered in a Yes/No style (credit to ratebeer for allowing other answers).
Plus, the run of the mill juicing is still quite cheap and available just about anywhere. Just look at all the high schoolers finding a way.
What in the world does "run of the mill juicing" have to do with doping of TdF caliber athletes doping? Are you actually suggesting more riders would now use various illicit substances than before the TdF scandals? I can understand (but not condone) the use of PEDs by professionals to earn more money and be better at their jobs. On the other hand, I cannot accept that weekend warriors might decide (in any measurable numbers) to use any PEDs simply because of the recent scandals.
Sure, some weekend warriors will use PEDs to race on the MUPs or, at best, in Cat 4 or 5 races but that decision cannot be blamed on the TdF doping scandals but rather must be ascribed on the moral failings of those riders.
Plus, the "run of the mill juicing was quite cheap and available just about anywhere before the scandals- why would usage change? People either have the ethics to not cheat or don't. Do you honestly believe people are going to start using anabolic steroids because rider X was using EPO or homologous blood doping?
Questioning a causal link between TdF doping and amateur doping as done in the title of this thread is misleading in itself. It is a problematic question that should not be answered in a Yes/No style (credit to ratebeer for allowing other answers).
YMCA
08-04-07, 01:40 PM
What in the world does "run of the mill juicing" have to do with doping of TdF caliber athletes doping? Are you actually suggesting more riders would now use various illicit substances than before the TdF scandals? I can understand (but not condone) the use of PEDs by professionals to earn more money and be better at their jobs. On the other hand, I cannot accept that weekend warriors might decide (in any measurable numbers) to use any PEDs simply because of the recent scandals.
Sure, some weekend warriors will use PEDs to race on the MUPs or, at best, in Cat 4 or 5 races but that decision cannot be blamed on the TdF doping scandals but rather must be ascribed on the moral failings of those riders.
Plus, the "run of the mill juicing was quite cheap and available just about anywhere before the scandals- why would usage change? People either have the ethics to not cheat or don't. Do you honestly believe people are going to start using anabolic steroids because rider X was using EPO or homologous blood doping?
Questioning a causal link between TdF doping and amateur doping as done in the title of this thread is misleading in itself. It is a problematic question that should not be answered in a Yes/No style (credit to ratebeer for allowing other answers).
Few examples of why the public follows the lead of celebrities and sports stars:
When Jimi hendrix, Jim Morrison and Mama Cass died of overdoses, drugs became even more popular. People knew it was bad, but it seemed so cool.
I remember a high school presentation with Mackenzie Phillips in 1981. She was a recovering addict/actress. Almost all the questions asked of her related to what kind of drugs she and her friends used. There was a real fascination with hallucination and tripping.
What about the mass glamorization of violence in film. Scarface is the #1 ranked movie amongst the inner city thug crowd. These guys get a real kick out of the mob films and don't want to differentiate between reality and fantasy.
Athletes get busted for steroids, EPO, etc and what do the wannabees want to do? Run out and juice up, so they get the advantage, that obviously all those top pros got.
All this attention to the doping culture in sport is good for cleaning it up at the top end, but the masses only learn more and know they won't be tested, so many of them say, "why not". Most people never had adults to guide them correctly, let alone a college ethics class.
Since when did the world run on ethics anyway? Just look at the history of business and politics I'm glad you feel accountable and take a stand against wrong, but don't expect the masses to sit back and watch the world pass them by. Too much insecurity and underconfidence out there, you know?
Sad, but true. Glad my circle is just and ethically upright!
Sure, some weekend warriors will use PEDs to race on the MUPs or, at best, in Cat 4 or 5 races but that decision cannot be blamed on the TdF doping scandals but rather must be ascribed on the moral failings of those riders.
Plus, the "run of the mill juicing was quite cheap and available just about anywhere before the scandals- why would usage change? People either have the ethics to not cheat or don't. Do you honestly believe people are going to start using anabolic steroids because rider X was using EPO or homologous blood doping?
Questioning a causal link between TdF doping and amateur doping as done in the title of this thread is misleading in itself. It is a problematic question that should not be answered in a Yes/No style (credit to ratebeer for allowing other answers).
Few examples of why the public follows the lead of celebrities and sports stars:
When Jimi hendrix, Jim Morrison and Mama Cass died of overdoses, drugs became even more popular. People knew it was bad, but it seemed so cool.
I remember a high school presentation with Mackenzie Phillips in 1981. She was a recovering addict/actress. Almost all the questions asked of her related to what kind of drugs she and her friends used. There was a real fascination with hallucination and tripping.
What about the mass glamorization of violence in film. Scarface is the #1 ranked movie amongst the inner city thug crowd. These guys get a real kick out of the mob films and don't want to differentiate between reality and fantasy.
Athletes get busted for steroids, EPO, etc and what do the wannabees want to do? Run out and juice up, so they get the advantage, that obviously all those top pros got.
All this attention to the doping culture in sport is good for cleaning it up at the top end, but the masses only learn more and know they won't be tested, so many of them say, "why not". Most people never had adults to guide them correctly, let alone a college ethics class.
Since when did the world run on ethics anyway? Just look at the history of business and politics I'm glad you feel accountable and take a stand against wrong, but don't expect the masses to sit back and watch the world pass them by. Too much insecurity and underconfidence out there, you know?
Sad, but true. Glad my circle is just and ethically upright!