azgordo
08-02-07, 05:19 PM
is there such a document and if so where is it available.
gerry
gerry
Bicycle Mechanics - shimano compatability document.
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masiman
08-02-07, 05:41 PM
I don't know of a Shimano compatibility document per se. I have been able to have all my questions answered:
1) Here
2) Sheldon Brown
3) Good local mechanics
4) Buddies
5) Trial and error
Pretty much in that order for success.
1) Here
2) Sheldon Brown
3) Good local mechanics
4) Buddies
5) Trial and error
Pretty much in that order for success.
Soil_Sampler
08-02-07, 05:55 PM
is there such a document and if so where is it available.
gerry
http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/cycle/sac/us/en/technical_service/compatibility_charts.html
gerry
http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/cycle/sac/us/en/technical_service/compatibility_charts.html
ginsoakedboy
08-02-07, 08:50 PM
+1 on Sheldon Brown for this info -- maybe more reliable than Shimano itself, because not market driven.
operator
08-02-07, 08:51 PM
+1 on Sheldon Brown for this info -- maybe more reliable than Shimano itself, because not market driven.
Ok, could we have at least some evidence that the shimano tech docs are wrong? An example? What possible reason could they have for lying?
Ok, could we have at least some evidence that the shimano tech docs are wrong? An example? What possible reason could they have for lying?
masiman
08-02-07, 09:48 PM
Ok, could we have at least some evidence that the shimano tech docs are wrong? An example? What possible reason could they have for lying?
I don't think they are wrong but I do think they are at least incomplete.
The majority of the compatibility questions don't revolve around is RD-xxxx compatible with CS-xxxx, but will can I get my Manfucaturers X-speed shifter/brifter work with this derailleur or cassette/freewheel.
I don't know if some of the incompatibilities can be overcome by changing spacers. Likely not worth it, but you won't find that in the Shimano literature either.
I don't think they are wrong but I do think they are at least incomplete.
The majority of the compatibility questions don't revolve around is RD-xxxx compatible with CS-xxxx, but will can I get my Manfucaturers X-speed shifter/brifter work with this derailleur or cassette/freewheel.
I don't know if some of the incompatibilities can be overcome by changing spacers. Likely not worth it, but you won't find that in the Shimano literature either.
maddmaxx
08-03-07, 04:46 AM
Ok, could we have at least some evidence that the shimano tech docs are wrong? An example? What possible reason could they have for lying?
The manufacturer does not lie. They do however for liability reasons make conservative claims on what is compatable with what. Experience has taught many however that it is indeed possible to mate crankset xxx with derailleur xxx and have the two work together.
Having many sources of information is not a bad thing.
The manufacturer does not lie. They do however for liability reasons make conservative claims on what is compatable with what. Experience has taught many however that it is indeed possible to mate crankset xxx with derailleur xxx and have the two work together.
Having many sources of information is not a bad thing.
azgordo
08-05-07, 12:16 PM
http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/cycle/sac/us/en/technical_service/compatibility_charts.html
outstanding,
thanks
outstanding,
thanks
Sheldon Brown
08-05-07, 12:39 PM
Ok, could we have at least some evidence that the shimano tech docs are wrong? An example? What possible reason could they have for lying?
They want to sell you new stuff, not to have you use your old stuff. They also assume that you're an incompetent fool.
See: http://sheldonbrown.com/capacity
and: http://sheldonbrown.com/speeds
and: http://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize
Sheldon "Perfect Is The Enemy Of Good Enough" Brown
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| Always listen to the experts. |
| They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. |
| Then do it. --Robert A. Heinlein |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
They want to sell you new stuff, not to have you use your old stuff. They also assume that you're an incompetent fool.
See: http://sheldonbrown.com/capacity
and: http://sheldonbrown.com/speeds
and: http://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize
Sheldon "Perfect Is The Enemy Of Good Enough" Brown
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| Always listen to the experts. |
| They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. |
| Then do it. --Robert A. Heinlein |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Wordbiker
08-05-07, 01:21 PM
I wouldn't call it "lying" as much as having a margin of error. Much like overclocking a computer, there are always "hacks" that allow one to exceed the manufacturer's specs...at the risk of accelerated wear, less than optimal performance, loss of warranties and more attention paid to maintenance. I'm sure the folks at Shimano (and PC hardware manufacturers) are well aware of how their products are being implemented by savvy enthusiasts, but using their compatibility specs keeps things within a "safe" level of wear, keeps returns to a minimum, and allows almost any mechanic a reasonable chance at building a modular drivetrain that works well with a minimum of incompatibility issues. The extra capacities are built in to ensure reliability.