Foo - Barry Who???

Do you get infuriated when the steroid monster speaks about himself?

I think he is the most self-centered athlete I've ever heard speak.

Any thoughts about the topic?

My thoughts: I've never fingered anyone before, but next time I'm riding in Los Altos Hills, if I see him, I'll definitely flip him one.

doping in cycling doping in baseball... it's hard to care about either as a professional endeavor.

doping in cycling doping in baseball... it's hard to care about either as a professional endeavor.


yeah, there's definitely problems in both. One of hte problems in baseball is how these guys get off really easy. Do these guys face major bans or sanctions if they are even associated with a scandal? I don't think they are. I haven't followed baseball much lately so I don't know what happens when someone is caught or if someone is associated with something similar to BALCO. I could care less at this point. It's a shame because I really used to enjoy watching baseball.

My last happy game was watching the Red Sox destroy the Yankees a number of years ago when they finally broke the curse of the bambino. I grew up in NYC but hate the yankees.

Do you get infuriated when the steroid monster speaks about himself?

I think he is the most self-centered athlete I've ever heard speak.

Any thoughts about the topic?

You described almost every pro athlete....

oh and I still believe all pro athletes dope. After 50% of my grade 11 football team in 1992 got busted for steroids......I will never believe pros are clean

My last happy game was watching the Red Sox destroy the Yankees a number of years ago when they finally broke the curse of the bambino. I grew up in NYC but hate the yankees.That was something, wasn't it?

Choke, The offical softdrink of the Yankees.

Yes, the Red Sox / Yankees series was special.

Barry Bonds? A guy hits a home run, and as a result, the losing team is thrilled. The point of baseball isn't to have your star player break records. It's to win games. The Giants have seriously screwed up priorities.

My last happy game was watching the Red Sox destroy the Yankees a number of years ago when they finally broke the curse of the bambino. I grew up in NYC but hate the yankees.

Doping or not, that will ALWAYS be a happy game and occasion!! :D

Makes you wonder, though... we sort of romanticize guys like Roger Maris, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Eddie Merckx etc. Wonder if any of them were using the enhancement technology of their generation?

I think the major sports have now been gamed to the point that they've lost meaning. Not just drugs. Football is the worst--increasingly static, pompous, pumped up, and boring.

Makes you wonder, though... we sort of romanticize guys like Roger Maris, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Eddie Merckx etc. Wonder if any of them were using the enhancement technology of their generation?

Babe was hopped up on hot dogs and beer:rolleyes:.

Doping or not, that will ALWAYS be a happy game and occasion!! :D

Makes you wonder, though... we sort of romanticize guys like Roger Maris, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Eddie Merckx etc. Wonder if any of them were using the enhancement technology of their generation?

History tells us that Merckx was a doper, though he still denies it. As for the rest, none of them had a chemically-enhanced build like Bonds has. Gotta love the thick forehead...what exercise must one do to get that?

its just like baney riis winng the tdf

I need that joker off my team.

BOTH Barrys.

Despite being a drag on my team, I hope to see some history made at the game I'm going to today :)

I need that joker off my team.

BOTH Barrys.

Despite being a drag on my team, I hope to see some history made at the game I'm going to today :)I really hope you catch # 756.

It's inevitable the record will be broken soon, but I'd love to see someone that doesn't like Barry get the ball(and speak out against him in the press conference). Please say something about how Hank will still be the true record holder.

Maybe you could ask Barry what workouts he did to make his head balloon like it has:D.

You could thank BALCO for making it all possible, and joke that you used "The Clear", and it enabled you to catch the ball:rolleyes:.

BTW, why don't you like Barry Zito?

I suppose I don't care very much about the dumbass. He will go down in history for cheating his way to the top, and he will pay the price for it by dying young in all likelyhood.

I, for one, am both happy and sad that he didn't hit the winner in San Diego of the weekend.

Happy, because he didn't ding one off one of our pitchers in our ballpark.

Sad, because now the call will be at his own park, with a huge ovation, and it'll be more or less celebrated by the myopians in Frisco.
Sad also, because if he'd have hit the ball in San Diego into the Bullpen, Trevor Hoffman and company were going to sell it and give the proceeds to Mark Merila, the longtime bullpen catcher who has brain cancer.
Now it'll go to some chump who'll auction his freebie for a lot of dollars.

yeah, there's definitely problems in both. One of hte problems in baseball is how these guys get off really easy. Do these guys face major bans or sanctions if they are even associated with a scandal? I don't think they are. I haven't followed baseball much lately so I don't know what happens when someone is caught or if someone is associated with something similar to BALCO. I could care less at this point. It's a shame because I really used to enjoy watching baseball.

My last happy game was watching the Red Sox destroy the Yankees a number of years ago when they finally broke the curse of the bambino. I grew up in NYC but hate the yankees.

Earlier this season, one of the Detroit Tigers received an 80 game suspension for using banned stimulants.

Earlier this season, one of the Detroit Tigers received an 80 game suspension for using banned stimulants.that's not the same as being suspended for simply being associated with the a scandal(like Operation Puerto).

Tyler Hamilton was removed from Tinkoff Credit Systems(after serving a 2 year ban for blood doping) for having his name linked with others involved in Operation Puerto.

If MLB took a stance like that Bonds(and Giambi) would be serving a suspension.


...Sad also, because if he'd have hit the ball in San Diego into the Bullpen, Trevor Hoffman and company were going to sell it and give the proceeds to Mark Merila, the longtime bullpen catcher who has brain cancer.
Now it'll go to some chump who'll auction his freebie for a lot of dollars. It probably won't fetch much more than a million dollars. The Padres players(and owner) can pony up more than that for their teammate, if they care to help.

The auction does sound like good PR though:rolleyes:.

It probably won't fetch much more than a million dollars. The Padres players(and owner) can pony up more than that for their teammate, if they care to help.

The auction does sound like good PR though:rolleyes:.

PR or no, it's not every day a million dollars falls into your lap. Even with the cash involved in MLB, a million dollars is a million dollars. And the guy isn't a teammate per se...he's not on the roster. He's the bullpen catcher.

I lost all respect for professional sports.

I think anybody caught doping, even once ought to not be allowed to have their name in the (any) record books. Additionally, not be allowed into any halls of fame.

PR or no, it's not every day a million dollars falls into your lap. Even with the cash involved in MLB, a million dollars is a million dollars. And the guy isn't a teammate per se...he's not on the roster. He's the bullpen catcher.It takes a lot more than just the players to make up a team. Trainers, coaches, equipment personnel, etc.

When the Red Sox won the World Series, they gave out rings to practically anyone involved with the organization.

The auction would have been great though(it could have inflated the price quite a bit).

If I had the means, I would buy the 756 ball when it eventually comes to auction, write the word CHEATER all over the ball with indelible ink and ask the Hall of Fame to put it on permanent display.

Sad, because now the call will be at his own park, with a huge ovation, and it'll be more or less celebrated by the myopians in Frisco.

Yep. You're pretty much correct.

But guess what? That would be true of any city if Bonds had been the main man on their team for so long. If this was Giambi getting ready to break Aaron's record, the whole city of New York would be going completely bonkers. Hell, if Son of Sam was about to break Aaron's record, his team's home town would be going bonkers. Even if a sports star is a total *******, it only matters whether he's your ******* or somebody else's. If he's yours, you cheer as long as he produces; if he's someone else's, with precious few exceptions, you treat him like the Devil incarnate even if he donates 5 year's salary to the Little Sisters of the Poor. There is nothing new about this, and Lord knows it isn't unique to the sports world: Anyone remember reading about the Crusades?

As for Roger Maris, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle and the players of that generation: Of course they doped. Prodigiously. The pharmaceuticals of choice then were amphetimines, and the operating theory was they helped you stay sharp and focused on the game. Not that the rest of society wasn't along for the ride: for much of that era, "diet pills" - read "speed" - were about as hard to come by as aspirin and at least as popular, especially among women who were browbeaten into being insecure enough to think they weren't thin enough. (Ahh, how some things don't change.)

Don't get me wrong: doping in sports is not a good thing, and finding out the extremes people will go to to dodge the rules is depressing. Catching the dopers and punishing them appropriately is fine and dandy. But a little less sanctimony, from WADA, from the UCI, from MLB and the NFL, and from all of us, is in order. This isn't exactly nuclear winter we are talking about here. And when you come down to it, gambling-related problems - such as the Black Sox or the NBA's current problem with what they hope and pray is only one "rogue" ref - are far more damaging to any sport's integrity than doping scandals.

That, incidentally, is why Pete Rose cannot be allowed to enter the Hall of Fame until after he has served his lifetime suspension. Yup, that's right, he can go in - after he dies. That is a suitable punishment - he doesn't get to see himself enshrined. In addition to being an arrogant, lying jerk (which by itself does not disqualify him) he bet on baseball games, including games his team was playing in. As bad as doping is, at least it is still the people playing the game who control the outcome of the event. With gambling, it quickly evolves into people off the field who have total control over the outcome of any given contest - and I'm not talking about team owners or general managers or directeurs sportif, I'm talking about mobsters telling the pidgeon du jour to take a dive.

Now pass me my triple espresso - I'm pooped and in desparate need of a pick-me-up.

As for Roger Maris, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle and the players of that generation: Of course they doped. Prodigiously. The pharmaceuticals of choice then were amphetimines, and the operating theory was they helped you stay sharp and focused on the game. Not that the rest of society wasn't along for the ride: for much of that era, "diet pills" - read "speed" - were about as hard to come by as aspirin and at least as popular, especially among women who were browbeaten into being insecure enough to think they weren't thin enough. (Ahh, how some things don't change.)


Awesome. I was going to bring this up but couldn't bother....

another point 70s and 80s steroids were easy to get, cheap and not illegal (heck mid 80's as a teenager with no money, I could find roids just about anywhere). So beyond the speed of the past, I would bet performance enchancing of any kind has always occured on the border of being legal/illegal.

My point still stands Pro athletes dope, period. Good on Barry, he was good enough to test clean and still kick ass. Now thats an athlete.

My point still stands Pro athletes dope, period. Good on Barry, he was good enough to test clean and still kick ass. Now thats an athlete.Just like Lance Armstrong.

I wouldn't be suprised if a court finally rules that he was using steroids back when he was such a hot hitter. Now? Less likely. The one thing that could still annoy me would be if management pulls barry from the lineup the moment he hits 756.

Just like Lance Armstrong.

:D:p

It seems that doping has been around for decades in all sports. But in our age the heads aren't turning a blind eye anymore. I believe BoSoxYacht or someone in an older post mentioned that this hold roids thing came about because a "big eared president" needed a diversion from the war (or something like that...). Otherwise, guys like McGwire, Sosa and others of our era would still be heralded as great players of our times, and a deaf ear would have fell on the roids stuff.

If you found out that guys like Maris, Mantle, Mays, the Babe, Reggie Jackson, Nolan Ryan and other legends took the top performance enhancing drugs of their era would you still hold them on a pedestal?

It seems that others have noted that speed was a big drug back in the day. Does that "fact" make you think twice about those guys as well?

Awesome. I was going to bring this up but couldn't bother....

another point 70s and 80s steroids were easy to get, cheap and not illegal (heck mid 80's as a teenager with no money, I could find roids just about anywhere). So beyond the speed of the past, I would bet performance enchancing of any kind has always occured on the border of being legal/illegal.

My point still stands Pro athletes dope, period. Good on Barry, he was good enough to test clean and still kick ass. Now thats an athlete.


wrong. baseball had no testing policy when its alleged bonds was at the height of his doping. plus, i dont think there is a test for HGH which is allegedly the substance of his choice.

i think he is a piece of crap that attempts to pull the race card to explain why people dont want him to break the record. when in fact its do to the leaked grand jury testimony where he admits to using a steriod called the Cream and the Clear, but still denies it publicly. he is a mean and ugly person.

i feel better. now where is my coffee. later.

I believe BoSoxYacht or someone in an older post mentioned that this hold roids thing came about because a "big eared president" needed a diversion from the war (or something like that...). Otherwise, guys like McGwire, Sosa and others of our era would still be heralded as great players of our times, and a deaf ear would have fell on the roids stuff.here's how that came up.




Honest question: why is the league so down on doping now and not in the latter 90's when McGwire and Sosa were the prince's of baseball going after Maris? They obviously weren't that bulked up when they first came up. Why was it not a big deal then, but it is today. Everyone knew. But no one said anything, including the commissioner. I credit McGwire and Sosa for saving baseball. Prior to that year baseball was sliding downhill bigtime. But now they are villains too. Any thoughts?
It's because that dick-with-ears that sits in the oval office made a federal case out of it(to detract attention from his botched war).

I have to admit that Bonds was the best player of this generation. What is most telling about him is that he was a Hall of Famer before he started taking steroids/hgh around '98. The attention that McGwire and Sosa got hitting all those home runs made him jealous because he knew he was the better ball player. So what does he do instead of staying clean and proving that he is better, he does just what they were doing that pissed him off.

I would prefer that he doesn't break Hanks record just because Hank is such a stand up guy. Of course its inevitable now, he is going to break it.

I just have to be pulling for A-rod now in hopes that he'll stay healthy and pass bonds mark in about 8 or 9 years.