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vic32amg
08-08-07, 12:26 PM
and so it goes on and on and on...


Kashesckin positive for blooddoping (dp forums)

http://www.feltet.dk/index.php?id_parent=1...p;id_nyhed=7990
USAZorro
08-08-07, 12:31 PM
Maybe his and Vino's bags got mixed up.

What's the overall toll so far from Astana?

Kessler, Massoleni, Vino, Kashekin, who else???
erader
08-08-07, 01:06 PM
Maybe his and Vino's bags got mixed up.

What's the overall toll so far from Astana?

Kessler, Massoleni, Vino, Kashekin, who else???

everyone except kloden :eek:!

ed rader
USAZorro
08-08-07, 01:25 PM
everyone except kloden :eek:!

ed rader

and Savoldelli, and Colom (so far)
merlinextraligh
08-08-07, 01:31 PM
Maybe his and Vino's bags got mixed up.



It figured that there would be a matching positive with Vino. However, if it really was bags getting switched, then that's friggin scary from a sfety point of view.
skinnyone
08-08-07, 01:37 PM
Maybe his and Vino's bags got mixed up.



Seems like an out of competition test on Aug1.. Not from the tour in itself..
VT Biker
08-08-07, 01:44 PM
But the Astana Team Manager manager (per Cyclingnews) is shocked, shocked I dare say that Vino was tagged for doping.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug08news2
USAZorro
08-08-07, 01:56 PM
Seems like an out of competition test on Aug1.. Not from the tour in itself..

I think blood cells live a couple weeks - or possibly, after the tour he "recovered" with a correspondingly mis-tagged bag (which would seem to be beyond stupid after what happened to Vino).
Dolomiti
08-08-07, 04:05 PM
I thought doping was safe. Cycling teams have billion dollar budgets and can afford the most skilled experts that the world has to offer. They would never make practical or ethical errors to endanger the rider's safety :rolleyes:
roadgator
08-08-07, 06:28 PM
It figured that there would be a matching positive with Vino. However, if it really was bags getting switched, then that's friggin scary from a sfety point of view.

Im going to speculate that after Puerto, they didn't want to put readable labels on the bags. couldn't even read their own code, which is hilarious if you ask me!

if this was the case, those 2 are lucky to have similar enough blood that it didn't kill them.
Helmet Head
08-08-07, 06:30 PM
It's in cyclingnews now:

Kashechkin tests positive for blood doping

Andrey Kashechkin (Astana)
Photo ©: Sirotti http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tour07/tour0715/fs039tn.jpg (http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tour07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tour07/tour0715/fs039) Astana suffered another blow Wednesday when Kazakh Andrej Kashechkin tested positive for a homologus blood transfusion following an unexpected control on August 1 in Belek, Turkey. Astana issued a statement saying Kashechkin was suspended effective immediately while waiting for the analysis of the B sample.
27 year-old Kashechkin's positive test further damages the reputation of an already vulnerable team, however management says the news only strengthens their resolve to "set up drastic measures for clean cycling."
"It shows that the UCI does a good job," said French Anti-Doping Agency president Pierre Bordry to Reuters by telephone. "I think one rider being tested positive for this kind of doping is a lot, two is too much. It is quite dreadful to see that in some teams, there is this kind of practice."
Star Alexander Vinokourov also tested positive (http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/news/?id=/news/2007/jul07/jul25news) during Stage 16 of the Tour de France for homologus blood doping. The day after, his entire team, including Kashechkin, withdrew from the Tour. Homologus doping involves the transfer of blood from another person. Vinokourov was fired from Astana following a positive B sample test, but he has maintained his innocence.
Astana had suspended itself from racing for the month of August, although team members were scheduled for a training camp (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug08news2) in Switzerland to keep its riders in shape from August 11 - 24. Kashechkin was among the riders scheduled to participate prior to his positive test. Riders were expected to undergo various medical and psychological tests, and the team is planning to announce "new directives."


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug09news
Devil
08-08-07, 10:03 PM
HAHA... Biver is disappointed that he was so naive about Vino. And Kasechkin too. Right.
OrionKhan
08-08-07, 10:34 PM
So did Astana have more positives than Phonak?
roadgator
08-09-07, 12:09 AM
im gonna blame the BMC's. Each one leaches testosterone out of the carbon fiber and was assembled by your disappearing twin.
I saw Elvis
08-09-07, 12:14 AM
im gonna blame the BMC's. Each one leaches testosterone out of the carbon fiber and was assembled by your disappearing twin.

:D:D
Yep I was thinking about a BMC as my next bike, 2nd thoughts now :)
gmason
08-09-07, 04:44 AM
HAHA... Biver is disappointed that he was so naive about Vino. And Kasechkin too. Right.

I am not quite sure how you could deal with anyone that worked for you if you came in suspecting them of anything and everything. I suspect that would be a recipe for failure.
GV27
08-10-07, 10:51 AM
OTOH, maybe he knew all about it and organized it and facilitated it. They built that team out of two teams that were knee-deep in Operation Puerto - T-Mobile and Liberty. It's absolutely no surprise to me. Every freakin' guy on the team rides like Superman, for God's sake!
gm1230126
08-11-07, 10:50 AM
Chris Horner was asked during the filming of one of his tour diaries about Astana's Vino and Kloden during the Alps stages and he commented about the Astana Trio going on to include Kashesckin as a threat due to his climbing ability..... Isn't it funny how someone can climb with an extra unit of someone else's red blood cells.