Utility Cycling - Poll - Best places to (bike) live

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Brian_1
04-28-06, 08:22 PM
n/a
Domromer
04-28-06, 09:11 PM
Bike and weather, we've got both here in Flagstaff
Ottawa, my home town. Well, the weather is iffy, but its possible to bike year-round. Certainly bike friendly. A lot of cars, but seldom grid-lock level traffic. Great public transit. A few festivals each month from spring to fall, and a handful over the winter, plus museums and concerts.
i dig boston. but dude! the right answer is BOULDER! i went to school there.
BOULDER.
no more responses are needed. this question is officially settled.:)
yeah, but how does Boulder rate for item 7 ? A score of -100,000 ?
Jerseysbest
04-29-06, 11:31 AM
yeah, but how does Boulder rate for item 7 ? A score of -100,000 ?
I looked on craigslist last week and found a bunch of places with fairly low rent there (compared to NJ). But I've never looked at the housing market.
You should also consider crime. I know a few places that meet most of the above but sure as hell wouldn't want to live there...
I vote for availability of diverse recreational activities and employment. For me, a densely populated, medium-size city is perfect for using bikes as primary transportation. In a city like this, most of your destinations will be within a 30 minute ride. I also like having other recreational bike opportunities readily available, like paved trails and mountain biking trails.
I think any city is bike friendly, if you know how to select routes and ride in traffic.
thelung
04-29-06, 03:04 PM
Its easy to be carfree in Richmond (Va) since its not that big of a city and if you live near carytown or in the fan all your day-to-day stuff is within walking distance. I just dont like anything else about Richmond at all so I'm leaving. Hopefully Portland is better :)
attercoppe
04-29-06, 03:21 PM
Boulder may also score well on age and gender diversity, but racial diversity? Not so much. (Speaking of which, is there really anyplace that doesn't have a diverse gender demographic?)
1.bike friendly
2.weather friendly
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
4.cultural activities
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
6.diverse age and gender demographic
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
8.average to above average air quality
A challenge to meeting the criteria on the OP's list is that "least volume of motor traffic" typically means a small town, which is often mutually exclusive with "cultural activities" and "creative shopping and diverse places to eat out". Where I live scores high on numbers 1,2,3,6, and 8; half of #5 (creative shopping yes - diverse places to eat out not as much); and arguably on #4, especially in the area, not just this town. #7, on the other hand - the real estate market here is out of control. I'm not recommending my town anyway, we already have a lot of growth projected, and I don't want most of that.:p
cyclezealot
04-29-06, 03:27 PM
I had thought Northern San Diego county. Beautiful country. But the bulldozer is bulldozing it real fast.
Traffic looks more like LA everyday. Other than that; love northern San Diego.
Possibly, Santa Barbara county about Solvang?
But, then more than once motorists about Northern San Diego threated me with sudden death.
If you can swing it. The south of France. Roussillon. Mostly undeveloped compared to Cote de Azur. Cyclists are gods. Everyone bikes. One disadvantage. The bike paths near the beach areas on a nice summer day. SO many bikes, it is hard to pass. But, I bike 3-4 times a week. Have not experienced once any kind of resentment for cyclists. Climate almost like California's. and no earthquakes.
Imagine living only one mile to work in a city of 2000 folks. Eight miles to the next nearest town. Under 20 miles to the state capital. Living in a valley surrounded by mountains, but the valley is like 50 miles wide in places (and runs from Portland to south of Eugene. Living in Oregon is really super, except for the one time it rains (that's about from mid-november to early May!). Many bikers are year round, and even though we get 40+ inches of rain a year, it rarely snows in the valley. The valley is called the "Willamette". It is often incorrectly pronounced as will-la-met-te'. I take it in with my Felt 80, Specialized A-1 Crossroads Elite, and my Shogun. I hope everyone has it this good.
chicbicyclist
04-29-06, 03:56 PM
Northern San Deigo loses point for the cultural aspect and shopping. It has nice weather going for it though I'm afraid that it is mostly suburban type tract homes up there, too which isnt exactly bike centric, unless you live in a planned community where bicycling is king.
I would recommend prety much any medium or bigger city in the sunbelt. Most cities have older neighborhoods that are very conductive to cycling. Then theres the culture aspect you wont find in a small town, unless you're into that kind of culture. Most of these communities tend to be also denser, but not quite as dense as thier downtown (and not as sparse as the outlying suburbs), except perhaps the likes of Chicago and New York. The grid pattern is grid, not arterial, and gives you alot of routes to choose from. Mom and pop markets are also close by making cycling overr long distances to get something somewhat irrelevant and in many case impractical.
Jerseysbest
04-29-06, 04:19 PM
(Speaking of which, is there really anyplace that doesn't have a diverse gender demographic?)
Haha, I was thinking the same.
cyclezealot
04-29-06, 04:45 PM
chic . up there in northern san diego county, used to be great hill climbs amongst avocado fields. some areas still are. just traffic encroaches closer each and every day.
Denis K
04-29-06, 04:55 PM
Valencia, Venezuela should meet all of these requirements and has a low cost of living to boot. I don't care for the lack of four seasons, but if you are in to biking that could prove to be a plus.
Denis K
Patrick A
04-29-06, 05:39 PM
My town exhibits a lot of the things that I like to see in a community that aids and abets bicycling for transportation. I went down and the OP's list and answered each for Quincy, IL, and it was quite informative. Would it be appropriate to post such a long post just touching on the amenities of my town? I'll post it if anyone is interested.
literocola
04-29-06, 06:17 PM
Anywhere Colorado, Hands down.
Boulder, Durango, Cherry Creek, Highlands Ranch, Colorado Springs, Glenwood Springs, Steamboat, Brekenridge, Vail, Aspen....
Got yall beat, I'll never leave this place.. born and raised Colorado native.
Boulder may also score well on age and gender diversity, but racial diversity? Not so much. (Speaking of which, is there really anyplace that doesn't have a diverse gender demographic?)
parts of Alaska, certainly!
attercoppe
04-29-06, 11:02 PM
My town exhibits a lot of the things that I like to see in a community that aids and abets bicycling for transportation. I went down and the OP's list and answered each for Quincy, IL, and it was quite informative. Would it be appropriate to post such a long post just touching on the amenities of my town? I'll post it if anyone is interested.
I've been to Quincy a few times - I used to live in Kirksville MO and worked a service area (computer repair) that ran clear to Hannibal and Lagrange. I'd cross over to Quincy once in a while for lunch. I wasn't into cycling then, certainly wasn't car-free at the time (though I had been before), but thinking back, it doesn't seem like it would be all that great for bicycles. Please share!
Patrick A
04-30-06, 01:12 AM
Reminds me of that exchange in Blazing Saddles...
If you must pry...
I must! I must!
:D
Sounds like you're also familiar with the area. Hannibal is starting to become more bike friendly as well.
Anyhow, since you asked...(and thanks for asking)
By applying the list to Quincy, it represents the things that I like about living here even though I did not choose to move here and it was never on my radar as a potential place to settle (moved here for professional job opportunity for my spouse). Sure, some places have some amenities that Quincy doesn’t, but that can change, and becoming active in your community can influence those types of things. I've also lived (and biked) all over the country, and this is one of the better places I've been for bicycling for transport. Thing is, I think that there are a lot of other overlooked towns everywhere that are just as good if not better for bicycling.
Going down the list:
1.bike friendly
Proactive government, good local bike shop and cycling club, recent advances in advocacy and accommodations, a citywide bike share program. No Davis, CA, for sure, but more progressive than one would think.
Being on the Mississippi River, it’s part of the MRT (Mississippi River Trail) and is in somewhat close proximity to the Katy trail (the trail head is about 1 ½ hours by car or three by bus).
2.weather friendly
Three good, solid seasons for riding - though summers can be very hot at times. Winters are generally mild (relatively speaking), with not much snow.
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
Aside from one or two bike unfriendly thoroughfares and limited sprawl, traffic is typical for a small city of 40,000 that is the biggest population center within 90 miles. Drivers are courteous, cautious, easy going, and deliberate.
4.cultural activities
Some live music, nice little art museum, lots of local art programming, supportive local businesses to the arts, quality small theatre scene, lots of music programming in public spaces during warmer months, weekend town square farmer's market. Great architecture.
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
Getting there. Better than most towns it's size, but could stand considerable improvement. Young professionals from larger midwestern cities have discovered low property values and are starting to bring more interesting and diversified business to Quincy. Columbia, MO, St. Louis, MO, and Springfield, IL all within @ 90 minutes by car. Regular and cheap Amtrak service to Chicago that is actually an hour less in travel time than by car, with more routes to be added in the near future. Other small towns nearby with interesting shopping/culinary/cultural attractions: Hannibal, MO (15 miles), Louisiana, MO (30 miles), Clarksville, MO (40 miles). There are a number of good quality "mom & pop" business that seem to not be a prevalent in other areas of the country any more. Butchers, bakeries, hardware stores, florists, etc.
6.diverse age and gender demographic
LOL.
I'll use this slot for education. The city public schools are very good, and there are a number of good parochial schools as well. Excellent community college that is unfortunately one of the least bike accessible places in the city. Quincy University is a small Franciscan liberal arts college. With that said, Quincy is in no way a “college town”.
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
Housing is mostly prewar stock in relatively good repair. Rentals are extremely inexpensive (I have a 800 sf 2 bedroom apartment for $375 with pets, and this is a little on the high side) and plentiful. Homes are inexpensive with prices well below national standards. $150K will buy you a castle in Quincy. Utility rates are in line with national averages.
8.average to above average air quality
According to scorecard.org, Quincy's median Air Quality Index for calendar year 2003 was a 30, well within the top ranking category of "good".
wahoonc
04-30-06, 07:26 AM
Greensboro, NC used to be pretty bike friendly. Haven't lived there in a while so not sure. I lived in a older neighbourhood about 3 miles from my work, it was great. Rode my old 3sp Raleigh to work everyday rain or shine. Grocery store(s) were on the way:p What was funny was my wife (now ex) insisted on driving (we both worked at the same place) We would leave home at the same time but by the time she got the car parked and walked into the building I would be sitting by the window with a cup of coffee and see her walking by on the way to her office:D With a bit of choosing I think most cities can be bike friendly at least in certain spots.
Aaron:)
is there really anyplace that doesn't have a diverse gender demographic?)
parts of Alaska, certainly!
I was just going to say that there used to be a lack of gender diversity in alaska, what with the gold mines. Nowadays, I think the only places without gender diversity (if there are any) would be oil rigs with only a couple people on them.
attercoppe
04-30-06, 12:11 PM
Thanks, Patrick, very informative.
2.weather friendly
Three good, solid seasons for riding - though summers can be very hot at times.
This is a big part of the reason I moved to Colorado - couldn't stand that Midwest humidity. Come summertime I usually didn't even want to be outside, much less exert myself any more than necessary.
Nowadays, I think the only places without gender diversity (if there are any) would be oil rigs with only a couple people on them.
Not such a good place for bike riding anyway. Though it would be even worse for driving a car...
BearsPaw
04-30-06, 12:13 PM
(Speaking of which, is there really anyplace that doesn't have a diverse gender demographic?)
I don't know about diverse, but if the OP meant approximately equal numbers of males and females, read this:
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2001/cb01cn181.html
Alaska has 107 males for every female and Philly has 86 males for every female.
Artkansas
04-30-06, 03:41 PM
Not a new topic, but just inquiring here:
If you had to name one or two of your favorite places to live a lifestyle based upon the following criteria, what places would you choose?
1.bike friendly
2.weather friendly
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
4.cultural activities
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
6.culturally diverse populace
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
8.average to above average air quality
Corrected 6. Thank you for pointing out the error and yes, it was stupid as it originally read!
From your criterion, I'd have to say Isla Vista, CA.
Of course moderate cost homes is relative. A California bunaglow is more expensive than an Arkansas mansion.
sfcrossrider
04-30-06, 04:58 PM
Not a new topic, but just inquiring here:
If you had to name one or two of your favorite places to live a lifestyle based upon the following criteria, what places would you choose?
1.bike friendly
2.weather friendly
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
4.cultural activities
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
6.culturally diverse populace
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
8.average to above average air quality
Corrected 6. Thank you for pointing out the error and yes, it was stupid as it originally read!
San Francisco.
I've lived in Austin, New York City, and Houston (not as bad as you would think) and San Francisco is WITH OUT A DOUBT THE BEST.
1. Bike friendly? Home of C-Mass baby.
2. Weather. It's fall year round. This gets strange in the summer when it's 56, but you deal.
3. Nor-Cal is the birth place of the mountain bike.
4. Parks, parks, and did I say parks.
5. I also surf and we got that in spades (if you've got the wetsuit and the upper body for it).
6. Hills that would make a CAT2 racer puke.
7. The city is seven miles by seven miles. Makes for a quick bike ride, if you can take the hills.
8. Culture? F^&*ing please. ;)
I don't know about diverse, but if the OP meant approximately equal numbers of males and females, read this:
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2001/cb01cn181.html
Alaska has 107 males for every female and Philly has 86 males for every female.
I don't think so. From the web site:"..male-female
ratio (the number who were male times 100 divided by the number who were
female) ..."
100 means equal numbers of men and women, >100 means more men than women, <100 means fewer men than women. So your post should read "Alaska has 107 males for every 100 females and Philly has 86 males for every 100 females." shouldn't it?
svwagner
05-01-06, 03:03 PM
Not a new topic, but just inquiring here:
If you had to name one or two of your favorite places to live a lifestyle based upon the following criteria, what places would you choose?
1.bike friendly
2.weather friendly
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
4.cultural activities
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
6.culturally diverse populace
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
8.average to above average air quality
Corrected 6. Thank you for pointing out the error and yes, it was stupid as it originally read!
um...madison, wi.
very bike friendly. lots of cyclists, bike paths, routes, good roads, commuters, and a couple of excellent bike shops.
weather...well, that depends on what you like. we've got 5 seasons (or two, depending on who is doing the counting). it gets hot, humid, cold, snowy and everything in between. variety is good, right?
motor traffic. not bad compared to bigger cities, but getting worse all of the time.
cultural activities. decent music scene, a couple of nice small museums, and the university to keep the rest humming alone at a low drone. low key.
shopping/eating out. i'm not qualified to comment on the shopping, but there are quite a few very good restaurants and a couple great ones. more all of the time. all casual.
culturally diverse. um...not really. still mostly white, but getting more diverse all of the time. slowly.
diverse housing stock, etc. excellent in this regard. lots of affordable houses to buy and lots of decent rentals -- but you can also drop some major cash on a downtown highrise condo, if that's your thing.
air quality. excellent compared with places like chicago -- not as good when compared to places like bend, OR. we have traffic and humidity and the two sometimes make an evil combination.
Not a new topic, but just inquiring here:
If you had to name one or two of your favorite places to live a lifestyle based upon the following criteria, what places would you choose?
1.bike friendly
2.weather friendly
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
4.cultural activities
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
6.culturally diverse populace
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
8.average to above average air quality
well, if you're looking to get out of the USP (united states of paranoia) might i suggest vancouver, bc, canada?
1. yes. new bike lanes just installed in downtown core. we got greenways and dedicated bike routes traversing a good portion of the lower mainland (= the city and the burbs) lots of trails in the nearby mountains too.
2. rarely gets below 0
3. not bad, but unfortunately like many other cities, getting worse. but no problem for us cyclists, rigth?
4. pacific rim baby
5. man, i feel like the minority in this city (yah, i'm a whiteboy)
6. see #'s 4 & 5
7. okay, so the housing market is a bit crazy these days with the run-up to the 2010 olympics, but you can find cheap housing if you look or are willing to share.
8. you can only see smog on the really, really hot days.
i love vancouver, it's a pretty rad city.
well, if you're looking to get out of the USP (united states of paranoia) might i suggest vancouver, bc, canada?
1. yes. new bike lanes just installed in downtown core. we got greenways and dedicated bike routes traversing a good portion of the lower mainland (= the city and the burbs) lots of trails in the nearby mountains too.
2. rarely gets below 32
3. not bad, but unfortunately like many other cities, getting worse. but no problem for us cyclists, rigth?
4. pacific rim baby
5. man, i feel like the minority in this city (yah, i'm a whiteboy)
6. see #'s 4 & 5
7. okay, so the housing market is a bit crazy these days with the run-up to the 2010 olympics, but you can find cheap housing if you look or are willing to share.
8. you can only see smog on the really, really hot days.
i love vancouver, it's a pretty rad city.
I've only been there a couple of times, but I'd thrown in a vote for Victoria, too... if you want something a little smaller, warmer, and drier.
errolprowse
05-04-06, 07:17 PM
i live in monterey california, the site of the sea otter classic, i love it here because i can ride my bike to school and work and most people here are very very bike friendly, where i used to live, people would yell out mean stuff to bikers, but here, i ride everyday and dont hear a thing, this place, i think is perfect for the average bicycler
eofelis
05-04-06, 08:34 PM
Anywhere Colorado, Hands down.
Boulder, Durango, Cherry Creek, Highlands Ranch, Colorado Springs, Glenwood Springs, Steamboat, Brekenridge, Vail, Aspen....
Got yall beat, I'll never leave this place.. born and raised Colorado native.
Don't forget Grand Junction!
Most any commute in the valley is fairly flat.
Winter is mild, not nuch snow. Summer not too broiling hot for a desert area.
We ride year round.
Great road riding with climbs out of the valley. Super mtn biking.
Toronto:
1.bike friendly
+++++
2.weather friendly
++ (three months of ice on the road)
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
++++ (lots of alternate streets)
4.cultural activities
+++++
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
+++++
6.culturally diverse populace
+++++ (one of the world's most racially/ethnically diverse cities)
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
++ (well, at least it's a lot cheaper than New York!)
8.average to above average air quality
+++
I'll add one more factoid: safest large city in North America.
bkrownd
05-04-06, 11:20 PM
yeah, but how does Boulder rate for item 7 ? A score of -100,000 ?
Rentals aren't too bad in Boulder. I had a cheap apartment on the edge of the University, with boulder creek trail, 2 bus lines and a grocery store on my doorstep. Boulder is OK for bikes, but hell for car traffic.
My favorite bike town was Amherst, MA. Small enough to get EVERYWHERE easily by bike, and an excellent bus system for such a small town. Finding a job there...now that's the hard part.
bkrownd
05-04-06, 11:25 PM
Anywhere Colorado, Hands down.
I can think of some poor bike places in Colorado. Woodland Park and Green Mountain Falls. Aurora. Golden. Manitou. Whatever that sprawl is on the south end of the Denver burbs. Co-Springs has a lot of sprawl.
Dourbali Star
05-04-06, 11:39 PM
It's been mentioned in pasing several times already, but my vote is Davis, CA. Heck, the city logo is a high-wheeler.
http://www.city.davis.ca.us/topic/bicycles.cfm
It's a shame I didn't get into cycling until long after I graduated.
schiavonec
05-05-06, 07:39 AM
I'll vote for portland as 1st
Just about any place in CO as a second. Housing isn't cheap, but there are jobs, and the average MUT and bike routes exceed all the other places I've been. Huge access to rec activities, but CO is a lil shy on 'high culture' more like mtn culture and hardly 'diverse' ethnically (whitebred or of Mexican decent are the 2 groups with tiny pockets of others.)
San Rensho
05-05-06, 01:15 PM
My experience.
East Bay across from San Francisco is great for spectacular road biking, but commuting is tough with all the hills, climate is perfect, drivers are ok.
Madison Wisconsin. When I was last there many years ago, it was the most bicycle friendly town I've been in. Drivers great, commutes are easy. The weather is not that bad. I got used to riding very comfortably down to about 15 degrees. Even commuted in -20 degree weather, but luckily, not too many of those days.
Miami Florida. Great weather all year round, flat, so commutes are easy. Drivers are the worst I've ever seen. Not that they are negligent, which they are, but many here go out of their way to buzz you, cut you off, pull out in front of you when you have the right of way.
bikingshearer
05-05-06, 01:53 PM
SF Bay Area, esp. East Bay:
1.bike friendly
++++
2.weather friendly
++++ (you can ride year round, if you can tolerate rain and 40 degrees in the winter)
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
+++ (average - can be great or awful, depending on the road, time of day and day of week - wonderful country roads are usually close by)
4.cultural activities
+++++
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
+++++ (SF, Oakland, Bekeley, Palo Alto, Marin) ++++ (rest of the area)
6.culturally diverse populace
+++++ (SF proper) ++++ (Oakland/Berkeley) +++ (Further east)
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
+ (diverse, yes - cheap, fuhgeddabouditt)
8.average to above average air quality
+++
Awesome weather, awesome roads, awesome trails, incredible cultural diversity, mostly civilized and aware drivers. Ungodly housing costs are the one big drawback. Well, that and the massive earthquake that may or may not happen in your lifetime.
ken cummings
05-05-06, 02:09 PM
yeah, but how does Boulder rate for item 7 ? A score of -100,000 ?
I hear that. My sister was co-owner of the McStain corporation in Boulder and did much of their housing design work. So many people wanted to live there a restriction was put on the amount of building permits. Demand then drove the prices even higher. Kind of like where I live now, north of San Francisco. High scores in all the other areas but if I had not inherited a paid-off house I could not live here.
garden_lark
10-11-06, 10:57 PM
Boulder may also score well on age and gender diversity, but racial diversity? Not so much. (Speaking of which, is there really anyplace that doesn't have a diverse gender demographic?)
of course there is - this forum is worldwide! include for starters anywhere where the predominant industry is mining.
northern australia is a classic example.
my bike-heaven would be somewhere in northern china. pity about the air quality...
OK, here's my rating for Lansing, Michigan (not that anybody cares, although it probably is typical for a medium sized Midwestern city.)
1.bike friendly
+++
Come on, we build cars here! Few bike facilities, but motorists are usually nice. Active cycling groups.
2.weather friendly
+++
It's in the eye of the beholder. If you like the change of seasons, it's great. And we don't get hurricanes, mudslides, volcanoes, earthquakes or alien landings.
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
+++++
The only bad traffic is rush hour in the burbs and Spartan home games.
4.cultural activities
++++
It ain't NYC or London, but the university brings in a lot of stuff and there's good community support for the arts.
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
++
6.culturally diverse populace
+++++
Again, the university helps a lot
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
+++++
8.average to above average air quality
- - - -
Like I said, we build cars here.
NevisBob
10-13-06, 05:56 AM
Nevis isn't bad
1. Roads are not very well maintained, but lots of trails, lots of bikers and great acceptance.
2. Constant year round low 80s, sun, breeze, short rain showers
3. Mild volume of traffic; not a single traffic light in the country
4. Mostly Caribbean cultural activities
5.Limited shopping, lots (for an island of 11,000) of interesting places to eat
6. Very diverse population
7. Lots of moderately priced places to live. Rent a nice house for 800-100 US, live like me for $400 mo
8. Wonderful air quality
Of course it's not the easiest place to find work.
cyclezealot
10-13-06, 06:03 AM
If a cyclist's priorities are safety , respect on the Hwy., not being forced off the road by road-ragers, I suggest Europe. In the US, I've had fruit, bottles, curse words and worst of all, being dodged at by cycle hating motorists. THose couple of motorists determinied to make me crash. In fact one friend of mine in California was hit on the backside, while riding by passing punk kids from their car. He had to go to a clinic, he was so bruised. Somehow , he did not loose control. Been riding about Roussillon almost a year now. Has not happend once, so far.
As to weather in the US. Definitely southern, coastal California.
I'll vote for portland as 1st
Just about any place in CO as a second. Housing isn't cheap, but there are jobs, and the average MUT and bike routes exceed all the other places I've been. Huge access to rec activities, but CO is a lil shy on 'high culture' more like mtn culture and hardly 'diverse' ethnically (whitebred or of Mexican decent are the 2 groups with tiny pockets of others.)
I haven't lived/biked everywhere (has anyone?), but in my experience Portland deserves is ranking as the best overall city for bicycling in the US for about the last 5 years or so. It has a comprehensive network of bike lanes/trails, and it's about the ideal in size (medium-ish) and cultural amenities. Portland is large enough that there is enough 'culture' (restaurants, theaters, music venues, etc), but not so big that it feels like a hectic big city (Seattle is getting to be that way). Here's how I break down Portland overall (10 pont scale):
1.bike friendly
- 10 the most comprehensive system of bike lanes/trails I've ever seen. Very safe/bikable downtown. Great public transit (light rail and buses). Some areas are a little hilly to keep it interesting, but overall it's not too hilly.
2.weather friendly
5 - This is the major problem area. It is rainy/overcast about 7-8 mos/year. However, it's mostly moderate drizzle as opposed to heavy rain, and it rarely snows.
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
- I'm not sure about this one. The perimeter freeways can get pretty congested, but this traffic rarely effects downtown. Also with the transit/bike system, it can be easily avoided (by not driving)
4.cultural activities
7 - Overall, the 'culture' in Portland is better than average. Not on the same level as 'major' cities like LA, NYC, or Chi, but better than average.
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
8 - Even with it's growth, Portland is still a pretty funky city with lots of unique shops. Diversity of restaurants is very good. Again, not on the same level as the above, but still very good.
6.diverse age and gender demographic
7 - This is just a guess, but I think Portland's dems are comparable to most major cities.
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
6 - While Portland isn't cheap by a long shot, it's still not bad compared to most other larger cities on the west coast. Housing and rent especially are much less expensive than Seattle.
8.average to above average air quality
9 - Portland is consistently rated as the cleanest major city in the US. The costal jet stream helps keep the air cleaner than most other larger cities.
mauicyclist
11-05-06, 11:08 AM
If you live downtown in Kahului or maybe Wailuku...Maui Hawaii is a fine place to live for cycling. It is very predictable weather wise...I live in Makawao and have to go down and up Haleakala highway every morning and evening though *sigh*
I live in Makawao and have to go down and up Haleakala highway every morning and evening...
:eek:
Quite a climb!
mauicyclist
11-06-06, 01:36 AM
:eek:
Quite a climb!
Ya...lotsa days I just feel like turning around and coasting back down again...but then I'd have to come back up.
*sigh* I love the commute downhill but uphill is a bit of a stretch, even for someone as empassioned as I.
HeidelbergBarbi
11-06-06, 11:12 AM
As my name implies, I live in Heidelberg Germany. It is a remarkably bike friendly city, in fact I would say bikes are KING here.
1. Most motorists are bikers themselves and therefore respect the biker, traveling slowly and giving wide berth to most bicylists.
There are bike lanes a-plenty, dedicated both on the street and on the wide sidewalks. Even pedestrians respect the cyclist and a simple ring of ones bell will, in most cases get a quick response from the walkers.
2. Weather is pretty mild in winter dispite the very northern latitude. This region seems to foster a warmer than average temp throughout the winter. Fall begins at the proper time and spring comes equally so. I can ride throughout the winter without difficulty but when weather does prevent one from mounting up, there is the transportation system which is one of the best. Train, bus or tram, you can get anywhere you need to go without much of a problem.
3. Cars are plentyful here but they are so respectful of the cyclist, it hardly matters that they are there. Want to ride with those nasty metel beasts? There are lovely fields and farming areas with dedicated bike roads through them to ride off into the sunset.
4. OH MY! Culture abounds in Heidelberg. Theaters, cafes with music, concert venues, festivals every weekend somewhere within biking distance. Or take a long train ride to Munich, Berlin or Frankfurt. How about Oktoberfest?
5. Eating out is a cultural treasure trove here. It seems each dorf has its own local specialty. Shopping is equal to any in the states along with stores that boast of being in Paris or Rodeo Drive.
6. This is the home of Heidelberg University. Men and women from all over the world come to study here. In the main part of town you can hear ever language of the world spoken.
7. Diverse? yes, but no longer moderate in cost. Heidelberg has become 'desireable' and therefore the costs of a place to stay have risen. It aint cheap here!
8. Air quality is fairly good. We have no major polluting industires and Germany has made a concerted effort to clean air and water with wonderful results.
Can you tell I love my 'home town' of Heidelberg? :D
1.bike friendly
2.weather friendly
3.least volume of motor vehicle traffic
4.cultural activities
5.access to creative shopping and diverse places to eat out
6.culturally diverse populace
7.diverse housing stock of moderate cost homes and/or rentals
8.average to above average air quality
The Figment
11-06-06, 12:05 PM
Tucson Az. Hands down.
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