Cyclocross - Rob Roy group buy

Hola again, folks.

So, on the handful I heard back from the consensus was
again Orange, lime green, BRG and a handful of white
or blacks.

A fellow purchaser volunteered his time and has come
up with a site for us to visit and submit our votes.
The link is below, but first some of the rules. One
vote per person. I know some of you desire more than
one bike. If it is for a significant other I can add
their name to the list and you can vote for them or
they can vote that way. Please don't abuse this and
send me a hundred names so you get a hundred votes.

There are two votes. On the suggestion of many, many
people I have decided we'll do a pick between colored
versions and a pick between black and white. We'll be
left with a colored bike and a black or white bike to
choose from. You get one vote for only one of the
choices. If you want to be in the black or white
vote, waste your vote there, but if you care what the
colored version will be waste your vote on that. You
only get one.

The voting site uses your first name and last initial.
Some of you, not very many, haven't provided me with
a last name. The name listed in the TO slot of the
e-mail is how you are in the database...so, it might
be your initials, it might just be a first name.
Similarly, some of you have provided me with two
e-mail addresses. This does not mean you get two
votes, so try one and if it doesn't work try the
other. If, for some reason, the creator missed double
addys and double names please try and be honest and
only vote once.

THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A FINAL VOTE! I think it's a
good way to get there, and if it works we can keep it
as the final vote. If, for some reason, the numbers
are extremely low for the black and white version, for
instance, I might consider polling the group for a
subsequent vote to see if we want another color
option.

The sooner we get this done the sooner Tony can get
the process rolling with the deposit page. This means
vote as soon as you can, please, and also it would be
useful if this were a final vote.

If you have any questions, concerns or suggestions
feel free to e-mail me.

The link is: http://www.fluxidity.net/rrgb/


Happy voting!

Adam

That voting system is pretty sweet. Good job to whoever cranked that out.

Uhhh, one problem, that's totally not a lime green on the voting page. I think what was put up there is the html color "lime"- that's not the same thing as lime green. This is sort of standard lime green:

http://www.butterflyscrapbooking.com/Paper%20Accents%20Heavy%20Lime%20Green_small1.jpg

Totally different and I know if I was going to that voting page- thinking those are the actual colors (which some people may be thinking)- I would not be voting for lime green.

Can you change it please?

Uhhh, one problem, that's totally not a lime green on the voting page. I think what was put up there is the html color "lime"- that's not the same thing as lime green. This is sort of standard lime green:

http://www.butterflyscrapbooking.com/Paper%20Accents%20Heavy%20Lime%20Green_small1.jpg

Totally different and I know if I was going to that voting page- thinking those are the actual colors (which some people may be thinking)- I would not be voting for lime green.

Can you change it please?

I used the hex value for 'Lime' (not the web/HTML version) from the wikipedia article on the color: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_green It's what I associate with lime green. I think it's kind of a distinction between the skin versus the flesh of a lime (the shade I chose being the flesh). On reflection, I suppose it is somewhat more towards the yellow than the photos people have been posting. I'll make a correction. To be honest though, it seems a little moot since we're not likely to have a wide variety shades of light green to choose from. I could, of course, be wrong on this point. I'll also add a note stating that these are not exactly what the colors will look like, only an approximation, it's a good point for clarification.

I used the hex value for 'Lime' (not the web/HTML version) from the wikipedia article on the color: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_green It's what I associate with lime green. I think it's kind of a distinction between the skin versus the flesh of a lime (the shade I chose being the flesh). On reflection, I suppose it is somewhat more towards the yellow than the photos people have been posting. I'll make a correction. To be honest though, it seems a little moot since we're not likely to have a wide variety shades of light green to choose from. I could, of course, be wrong on this point. I'll also add a note stating that these are not exactly what the colors will look like, only an approximation, it's a good point for clarification.

The color that I posted, "lime green" is a pretty standard color and something very close to it has shown up in every powdercoating color chart ("standard" colors) I've checked out. I think it will be much closer to what's actually available than the other color.

The color that I posted, "lime green" is a pretty standard color and something very close to it has shown up in every powdercoating color chart ("standard" colors) I've checked out. I think it will be much closer to what's actually available than the other color.

That would be cool! I look forward to deciding if we should get pearlescent, flake or what...fun times!

It was a close enough representation of lime green for votes to be cast. I wasn't going to mistake it for orange or black or British Racing Green.

yes orange is weeeninng

It rallied over night. It's ahead of BRG by 8 right now. Come on BRG!

And what the hell happened to black? It got absolutely dominated by white! Hey, I guess you just can't win with the darkside ;)

Wow, white and green? I think you can count me outta this one.

If you'd like to check out the results without logging in (but also without the detailed list of votes), try this: http://www.fluxidity.net/rrgb/results.php

Wow, white and green? I think you can count me outta this one.

Bit early to be backing out, don't you think? Barely over half the votes are in.

If you'd like to check out the results without logging in (but also without the detailed list of votes), try this: http://www.fluxidity.net/rrgb/results.php



Bit early to be backing out, don't you think? Barely over half the votes are in.


Man, this is like election night-- all the East Coasters voted early and California thinks its over! At least we have a paper trail with our computer based voting machine.

the way i understood the voting was, if you wanted a colour, you would vote for the colour and not in the black vs. white race (and vice-versa). but instead, people are voting in both. (i only voted once)

so, will the winning "colour" votes for white/black get tossed, or will all paired votes get tossed, or what? 'cause it looks like most of the orange folks (that voted twice) voted white and the green folks (that voted twice) voted black - if orange wins, (almost) everybody else gets stuck with a colour they didn't like...

just trying to figure things out...

It was a close enough representation of lime green for votes to be cast. I wasn't going to mistake it for orange or black or British Racing Green.

Whatever, I looked at it and wondered why lime green wasn't lime green but instead some weird yellow.

the way i understood the voting was, if you wanted a colour, you would vote for the colour and not in the black vs. white race (and vice-versa). but instead, people are voting in both. (i only voted once)

so, will the winning "colour" votes for white/black get tossed, or will all paired votes get tossed, or what? 'cause it looks like most of the orange folks (that voted twice) voted white and the green folks (that voted twice) voted black - if orange wins, (almost) everybody else gets stuck with a colour they didn't like...

just trying to figure things out...


Pick in both arenas. If you want to re-submit your vote in the other arena let me know, I can make it happen. What will happen is that folks who vote for the winning color will have their vote thrown out in the black vs. white debate. The idea is that some of us will go for black vs. white if our preferred color isn't picked. I, for one, will go that route if orange is the winner, for instance. And your vote shouldn't cout towards that if you're not going to buy in that arena.

So, like I said, let me know if you want your vote to count in the black vs. white debate. If orange wins then all of their white votes get thrown out (and the black ones, too).

Pick in both arenas. If you want to re-submit your vote in the other arena let me know, I can make it happen. What will happen is that folks who vote for the winning color will have their vote thrown out in the black vs. white debate. The idea is that some of us will go for black vs. white if our preferred color isn't picked. I, for one, will go that route if orange is the winner, for instance. And your vote shouldn't cout towards that if you're not going to buy in that arena.

So, like I said, let me know if you want your vote to count in the black vs. white debate. If orange wins then all of their white votes get thrown out (and the black ones, too).

I guess I'd like to vote for black too, then. Darnit, I already got an orange bike.

I guess I'd like to vote for black too, then. Darnit, I already got an orange bike.

If you didn't vote for black or white and would have liked to, you can email me directly at my gmail.com address. Same username as here (fluxgame). Adam's just going to have to forward your request to me anyway, so I don't mind saving him the trouble. Got your's already, Tim.

Can anyone help me,

my video card on the blitz and cannot get any colors for the vote..

what is BRG...brown?? or ??
thanks

Can anyone help me,

my video card on the blitz and cannot get any colors for the vote..

what is BRG...brown?? or ??
thanks

British Racing Green. A dark-ish green. Sort of forest-y.

Well I was just looking at the chart and only 6 people voted for just black or white, does that mean there's only 6 people that wanted specifically black or white? I'm just thinking out loud, but the vote's almost split between the 2 greens and orange, it almost seems like the two options ought to be a green (brg I suppose or some middle green) and orange if only 6 people want black or white.

Again I'm just thinking out loud (and obviously would rather have a green bike, I've got an orange fixie and am eyeing that orange nashbar mtb frame), but the numbers seem a little odd like maybe black or white don't even need to be there.

I'm with ya, TimJ. That's why I say this is by no means a final vote, but it is a way to get a better picture of what's going on. The only thing I would argue is that there are people who are really set on a black or white frame, and not a colored one. However, I think the votes speaks very loudly for the fact that most people do want a colored one, and in that vein we should accomodate the most.

If we do a split between orange and a green it will then be very tough to pick which green! Maybe we'll have to do a vote on just which green and one on which orange.

We'll see what it comes down to.

And I guess there's still the question of what colors are actually available, though I think the two we're voting on are pretty standard shades. A runoff vote for the green voters on, I dunno, 2-4 greens that Tony actually has would be cool. Personally if green is an option I'll take the green pretty much regardless of the particular green (as long as it's "green" and not some baztrd teal), so I wouldn't mind a different shade winning over my preferred. Other greenies may not be like that, though.

We're also 10 people short of getting a third color. Maybe fewer if some of the existing people are getting multiple frames. So we might be able to get orange, a green and white or black.

I didn't realize we were that close. I, for one, have three coming to my family. Two for me, one for my wife! I'll pass three color options by Tony and see what he has to say about it.

FWIW I think if there is a green coming it should be the Racing Green...check out the link and check the color out, also Adam is the one who is started this group buy up and has fololowed through and has done the work on it....he said he would like british racing green, so I for one thinks he should get it...hope this link sways some more votes for BRG.......I hope this is the right set, my video catd went out on me and can't see colors, but i think this is the one with British Racing Green


http://www.flickr.com/photos/landres/sets/72157594585452161/
My New Fix - a photoset on Flickr

How about purple?

Whoa doco...that is the cleanest bike I have ever seen in my life.

ooo doco, that's purdy.
almost enough to make me want BRG over orange... but not quite.
I do hope that Adam gets his BRG RR though!

i could deal with either green. but no oj.

FWIW I think if there is a green coming it should be the Racing Green...check out the link and check the color out, also Adam is the one who is started this group buy up and has fololowed through and has done the work on it....he said he would like british racing green, so I for one thinks he should get it...hope this link sways some more votes for BRG.......I hope this is the right set, my video catd went out on me and can't see colors, but i think this is the one with British Racing Green


http://www.flickr.com/photos/landres/sets/72157594585452161/
My New Fix - a photoset on Flickr

I could get on board with that sentiment.

But that isn't BRG you linked to, that bike is actually... more of a lime green.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3148/greenbikecv0.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenbikecv0.jpg)

Absolutely gorgeous, too.

There's a few shades called BRG but it's always a dark green. It can go from sort of a forest green down to "it looks black from 10 feet away" green. So that bike you're looking at... not BRG. It's falling in the lime spectrum of greens.

That bike looks has a pearlescent finish too. Absolutely stunning. That's basically my dream finish for this RR, color and finish wise.

I just had to post another shot of that:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9723/419606647408d6783a1hp2.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=419606647408d6783a1hp2.jpg)

Beautiful. That's what I'd like, man. A pearl bright green.

I just had to post another shot of that:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9723/419606647408d6783a1hp2.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=419606647408d6783a1hp2.jpg)

Beautiful. That's what I'd like, man. A pearl bright green.

I'm with you. That color is FANTASTIC!

I could get on board with that sentiment.

But that isn't BRG you linked to, that bike is actually... more of a lime green.



I agree with Tim. BRG is DARK. That one has got some lime to it. I'd prefer that limey green over the blackish BRG but again, like Tim, I voted orange.

If the green votes go together in the final tally then perhaps only one green should be shown. I mean, if "green" wins, I still don't know what color it will be.

I don't like how my last post reads. I don't want to sound like I'm complaining or unappreciative of the work that has been done by everyone.

I think this is all great fun and look forward to the frames and the different builds we're going to share later.

I agree with Tim. BRG is DARK. That one has got some lime to it. I'd prefer that limey green over the blackish BRG but again, like Tim, I voted orange.

If the green votes go together in the final tally then perhaps only one green should be shown. I mean, if "green" wins, I still don't know what color it will be.

I voted lime green actually. But I agree w/ the sentiment that for all his work on it it would be cool if Adam's preferred color got picked... but that's just the very objective, kind me talking. The other me wants something like that pearl green on that bike.

Well I just wanted a darker color. Perhaps BRG should be put in with the black or white vote - BRG is conservative too.

Imagine a bike, BRG with honey brooks saddle and tape....imagine it with a Rohloff...and chrome fenders...and imagine it with a spanninga light on the rear fender...and a chrome pump under the top tube...and imagine me riding it into the sunset, loaded down on a trans-Rockies tour, from south to north following the spring all the way up.

I could be happy with the green shown above. What I hope happens is that Tony, who might be reading this, says dang, you guys have lots of people and I think you deserve a third color. Then we get an orange and a green and a black. We run a vote on the type of orange, the type of green and the finish of the black. And my hope is that we come to a consensus not unlike the green in the latest posts, maybe a tad darker, because that would please lots of people, including those who want a pearly green AND those who want a darker color so it's inconspicuous.

Then I'll buy a black one for my everyday commuter and rig it with all black kit...black spokes, hubs, brooks, everything. It'll be my darkside bike, even the chain will be black, and I'll ride that sucker into the ground!

My wife says she wants BRG, but I talked her into it. I think she really wants limey green ;)

so wait wait... ive randomly read this thread a few times, but is rob roy group buy actually happening? if so i am in.

Yes, it's happening! E-mail climhoser w/ your full name, size pref, and your color vote. I advise you to read the whole thread to find out what all the colors are,details etc.

Sorry for derailing the thread for a moment, but whoa. Blais, Worcester, MA? There are gonna be two of these bikes in this crap city? Have I seen you around?

Adam is making that BRG sound pretty nice...adding that in with a honey brooks saddle would be sweet.

Wow, I can't believe that white is still beating out black. Oh well, hopefully we do get a choice of three colors.

Wow, I can't believe that white is still beating out black. Oh well, hopefully we do get a choice of three colors.

Shocking, isn't it? I'd be pretty bummed if we end up with a choice between orange and white. Only 7-ish people till we hit the 100 that Tony said we needed for three colors though... Which really shouldn't be hard since I think we added close to 10 today alone. And would everyone hurry up and go vote for a color already? I'm sick of the suspense.

http://www.fluxidity.net/rrgb/

All the whining about color over a cut-rate frame. Spare the earclippings, spoil the colourphag.

I posted a ad in the local craigslist. Hopefully the ad doesn't suck and is able to generate a few more people interested in the group buy.

Shocking, isn't it? I'd be pretty bummed if we end up with a choice between orange and white. Only 7-ish people till we hit the 100 that Tony said we needed for three colors though... Which really shouldn't be hard since I think we added close to 10 today alone. And would everyone hurry up and go vote for a color already? I'm sick of the suspense.

http://www.fluxidity.net/rrgb/

Remember, though, that if your color wins your black/white choice doesn't count. So, you have to ignore everybody who has voted for orange, which is a large chunk of those who voted for white.

But yeah, BRG with honey Brooks is where it's at.

Remember, though, that if your color wins your black/white choice doesn't count. So, you have to ignore everybody who has voted for orange, which is a large chunk of those who voted for white.

But yeah, BRG with honey Brooks is where it's at.

Actually, the system, as it stands, excludes the black/white votes of anyone who voted for the current top color. However, your comment made me start investigating and I discovered a bug in my calculation logic. Fixed now. Black is indeed on top by a bit.

Sorry for derailing the thread for a moment, but whoa. Blais, Worcester, MA? There are gonna be two of these bikes in this crap city? Have I seen you around?

HAHA! I guess there will be! I dunno if I've seen you but Blais is my real name, if that helps. I live on Vernon Hill, work at Foothills, and volunteer at Earn-A-Bike sometimes. I run into most people at Ralph's though. You know anyone that hangs out there?

Good news! I just got off the phone with Tony, and he is willing to do three colors. Based on the voting I have decided to do an orange, a green and a black. I believe black has a far greater pull than the white, but correct me if I am wrong. The orange Tony is able to do is IRO orange, which you can see on his site or on the web. Unfortunately there will be no Molteni Orange. I know I'll hear about the green, but Tony has a dark foresty green all set that he would prefer to go with, and I didn't feel like pushing the darker or lighter when he was being so generous as to offer a third color. It's fairly dark, but not the almost black dark of modern Jaguars which I consider true BRG. I didn't ask about finishes, but he said he can't do metallic, so forget flake and pearlescent. I don't know about gloss, sorry, but I can ask if that's something that concerns any of you.

As for you lime lovers, it's still lighter than true British Racing Green. If you feel slighted, I apologize, but like I said I didn't want to push it and BRG had the biggest following of the two greens.

Decals: These bikes will not come with decals as the time it would take to place them would set Tony back. However, for $1-2 you can purchase a decal kit and put them on yourself. If you've ever seen them in person you know that they aren't exactly the most detailed items.

He will also offer a $4 seatpost clamp to anyone interested.

International Customers: Tony sends overseas. However, you pay the shipping, whatever it is. He'll ship anywhere in the world. Thus you should disregard the shipping price on his page.

As of now Tony and I have agreed on these colors and the price at $160 with a $60 deposit. He's going to get the website up for us this weekend, so there's still time to work out kinks if there is something I've missed or haven't covered. The deposit page will be up for 30 days and then the order will go. It will be approx. 3 months.

Please let me know if I'm missing something or you have any questions.

Thanks for everybody's patience and interest!

Adam Hicks

IRO Green: http://velospace.org/node/4267

IRO Orange:this (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/286488967_18a8977ff2.jpg?v=0)

And: http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5142047&postcount=173

And:

http://irocycle.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.irocycle.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ben_c.jpg&target=tlx_new

Will there be a complete build available, and if so, do we use the web page to put a deposit on the frame? Or will there be a section for putting a deposit for an entire build?


Good news! I just got off the phone with Tony, and he is willing to do three colors. Based on the voting I have decided to do an orange, a green and a black. I believe black has a far greater pull than the white, but correct me if I am wrong. The orange Tony is able to do is IRO orange, which you can see on his site or on the web. Unfortunately there will be no Molteni Orange. I know I'll hear about the green, but Tony has a dark foresty green all set that he would prefer to go with, and I didn't feel like pushing the darker or lighter when he was being so generous as to offer a third color. It's fairly dark, but not the almost black dark of modern Jaguars which I consider true BRG. I didn't ask about finishes, but he said he can't do metallic, so forget flake and pearlescent. I don't know about gloss, sorry, but I can ask if that's something that concerns any of you.

As for you lime lovers, it's still lighter than true British Racing Green. If you feel slighted, I apologize, but like I said I didn't want to push it and BRG had the biggest following of the two greens.

Decals: These bikes will not come with decals as the time it would take to place them would set Tony back. However, for $1-2 you can purchase a decal kit and put them on yourself. If you've ever seen them in person you know that they aren't exactly the most detailed items.

He will also offer a $4 seatpost clamp to anyone interested.

International Customers: Tony sends overseas. However, you pay the shipping, whatever it is. He'll ship anywhere in the world. Thus you should disregard the shipping price on his page.

As of now Tony and I have agreed on these colors and the price at $160 with a $60 deposit. He's going to get the website up for us this weekend, so there's still time to work out kinks if there is something I've missed or haven't covered. The deposit page will be up for 30 days and then the order will go. It will be approx. 3 months.

Please let me know if I'm missing something or you have any questions.

Thanks for everybody's patience and interest!

Adam Hicks

IRO Green: http://vancouver.craigslist.org/bik/401968145.html

IRO Orange: http://irocycle.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.irocycle.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ben_c.jpg&target=tlx_new