Rob Roy group buy

[Psydotek]

Sweet!

And please, if you said you'd buy a frame, please don't back out... I know it's not a legal binding contract, but at least keep the group buy alive. :) Hopefully it'll be successful like the last group buy. :D

[climbhoser]

No need for a deposit on the complete build. Tony said he could do it for abit over $350. I don't know how much, but that's something we'll work out when the time comes (i.e. the frames are here). Check out the IRO Green here: http://velospace.org/node/4267

so, just a deposit on the frame.

[climbhoser]

http://cgi.ebay.com/IRO-Limited-Edition-LC-Fixed-Gear-Track-Frame-Fork-59_W0QQitemZ230162370620QQihZ013QQcategoryZ98084QQcmdZViewItem

Another glimpse at the green

[sping]

IRO Green: http://velospace.org/node/4267

IRO Orange: http://irocycle.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.irocycle.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ben_c.jpg&target=tlx_new

Slightly disappointing, but you have to take what you can get on such a deal. If the photos (and my monitor) are to believed, it's a very day-glo orange, and almost a deep aquamarine green. I'd hoped for a strong, dark, BRG or a strong orange like this (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/286488967_18a8977ff2.jpg?v=0) posted earlier.

Oh well, if this is the case, I'll be switching to boring black.

I take it there's no possibility of unpainted, for a local powdercoating job.

[TimJ]

Yay! Awesome.

It's just nice to know what's-what. Sure it's not the dream-green, but it's a purty color and will make an awesome bike. Now I just got to figure out 58 or 60, one frame or two.

Yay!

[sping]

http://cgi.ebay.com/IRO-Limited-Edition-LC-Fixed-Gear-Track-Frame-Fork-59_W0QQitemZ230162370620QQihZ013QQcategoryZ98084QQcmdZViewItem

Another glimpse at the green

Perhaps I'll take it back - not as dark and rich as I'd like, but better than I feared.

[climbhoser]

Slightly disappointing, but you have to take what you can get on such a deal. If the photos (and my monitor) are to believed, it's a very day-glo orange, and almost a deep aquamarine green. I'd hoped for a strong, dark, BRG or a strong orange like this (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/286488967_18a8977ff2.jpg?v=0) posted earlier.

Oh well, if this is the case, I'll be switching to boring black.

I take it there's no possibility of unpainted, for a local powdercoating job.

That is a Rob Roy in that link, right? Well, then my guess would be that's another glimpse of IRO Orange...unless that bike owner did a job of his own.

[sping]

That is a Rob Roy in that link, right? Well, then my guess would be that's another glimpse of IRO Orange...unless that bike owner did a job of his own.

Pulled from earlier in this thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5124163&postcount=135) - my reading was it was customer-done (but perhaps it's not).

However, this post (http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5142047&postcount=173) does appear to be stock IRO orange, and looks better too.

Ok, colors look pretty decent ;).

[climbhoser]

Almost forgot to mention one more very important point!

There will be a 62 available! This is great news for those out there taller than 6'.

Tony advises that you size the RR based on the top tube not on the seat tube. As such, most people will want to go up a size. For instance, I ride 55 or 56 depending on the bike (33.5" cycling inseam) and I will be ordering a 58 Rob Roy. Don't be scared of a big sounding bike, these bikes ride very small!

[slopvehicle]

However, this post (http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5142047&postcount=173) does appear to be stock IRO orange, and looks better too.


I have an orange Angus, and it's much more like the color in that link. Not too fluorescent, just very...orange.

I am all over this Rob Roy deal! Count me in. But what color? I've already got a few black bikes, a dark green Karate Monkey and the aforementioned orange Angus. Damn!

[Psydotek]

Another glimpse of the green:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/psydotek/Bicycle/IMG_0290.jpg

Lighting wasn't as bright as i would haven liked when i took the picture though...

I'll be ordering one in orange though. Maybe 2 since my brother in law's favorite color is orange.

[caloso]

^^^^ To me that looks like British Racing Green.

[doco]

Hey Adam and Dave, great job!!!!!! and no decals too..I am a happy camper

I only wish I could see the BRG color, but if Adam is happy, aok by me....damn video card

are we allowed to add another frame on our order....

[Retem]

I am farken psyched this is going so well

[climbhoser]

If you read up on the history of BRG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_racing_green you find that there really is no single BRG. In fact, the early BRG was a lighter green. Currently, however, the BRG on the color scale is incredibly dark. That pic above is what BRG would look like in the light! I imagine that pic would be very different if there was light on it.

Nontheless, I believe that the green choice will satisfy all of the BRG voters, including those who just want an inconspicuous choice.

I do wish we could have offered a lime green...I think it's a great color, especially all of the great pics TimJ provided. And I wish the orange came in a creamier color like Molteni to make more folks happy.

However, I couldn't be more stoked for this thing to be taking off. I like the IRO orange lots more than Molteni or cream myself, and am thinking about buying a third frame for me in that color. I don't know what I would do with it, but it's such a great orange that I feel like I can't not!

doco: you can order as many as you want! Helping Tony out is a privelege. As he said to me, his goal is to put the big bike builders out of business. I love that he makes frames for the niche market and I think his designs are really worth the wait. I'd have bought one for full price, really, but I'll buy four for my family at this price! One of these days the big guys will realize that most bikes are bought by folks like us and they'll try and snatch IRO up.

[caloso]

I'm the guy that originally suggested Molteni orange, but if the picture of the built up Rob Roy in front of the bike shop is IRO orange, I'd be delighted with that color. That bike looks exactly like I pictured it in my mind.

[climbhoser]

I'm the guy that originally suggested Molteni orange, but if the picture of the built up Rob Roy in front of the bike shop is IRO orange, I'd be delighted with that color. That bike looks exactly like I pictured it in my mind.


I think this one is more likely: http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5142047&postcount=173

[LLGlcNAc]

Almost forgot to mention one more very important point!

There will be a 62 available! This is great news for those out there taller than 6'.

Tony advises that you size the RR based on the top tube not on the seat tube. As such, most people will want to go up a size. For instance, I ride 55 or 56 depending on the bike (33.5" cycling inseam) and I will be ordering a 58 Rob Roy. Don't be scared of a big sounding bike, these bikes ride very small!

Sweet! A 62! Damn, someone talk me out of buying two...

[efficiency]

I'm thinking way too much about this sizing thing, so maybe you guys can help me out a little. I'm 5' 7", with about a 29-30 inch inseam. I'm trying to decide between a 52cm or 54cm. I'm more concerned with handlebar height as stems with steep angles seem to be more rare.

I'm thinking either would work, but which side should I err on?

Also, what's the maximum stack height on the steerer?

[doco]

doco: you can order as many as you want! Helping Tony out is a privelege. As he said to me, his goal is to put the big bike builders out of business. I love that he makes frames for the niche market and I think his designs are really worth the wait. I'd have bought one for full price, really, but I'll buy four for my family at this price! One of these days the big guys will realize that most bikes are bought by folks like us and they'll try and snatch IRO up.

hey Adam, I just saw you are in Denver, me too(Arvada), you don't have to tell me about Tony, great guy..I still have a Mark V from 2 years ago that I bought from Tony before the group buy...also I was going to buy a rr and your post about group buy showed up and I jumped on it...the RR will make an awsome commuter...

Tony is a good man, and the bikes are a great buy...ok thanks again and I will see about maybe another frame...again good job to you two and if Tony is reading this thanks again Tonybest wishes to you and your family...jim the gold guy in Arvada

[climbhoser]

I'm thinking way too much about this sizing thing, so maybe you guys can help me out a little. I'm 5' 7", with about a 29-30 inch inseam. I'm trying to decide between a 52cm or 54cm. I'm more concerned with handlebar height as stems with steep angles seem to be more rare.

I'm thinking either would work, but which side should I err on?

Also, what's the maximum stack height on the steerer?


I would get the 52.

[climbhoser]

doco: you can order as many as you want! Helping Tony out is a privelege. As he said to me, his goal is to put the big bike builders out of business. I love that he makes frames for the niche market and I think his designs are really worth the wait. I'd have bought one for full price, really, but I'll buy four for my family at this price! One of these days the big guys will realize that most bikes are bought by folks like us and they'll try and snatch IRO up.

hey Adam, I just saw you are in Denver, me too(Arvada), you don't have to tell me about Tony, great guy..I still have a Mark V from 2 years ago that I bought from Tony before the group buy...also I was going to buy a rr and your post about group buy showed up and I jumped on it...the RR will make an awsome commuter...

Tony is a good man, and the bikes are a great buy...ok thanks again and I will see about maybe another frame...again good job to you two and if Tony is reading this thanks again Tonybest wishes to you and your family...jim the gold guy in Arvada

Yeah, doco, stuck in Englewood. Just south of the Tech Center in an Englewood pocket, actually, on the E. side of I-25. We're probably moving soon, I just need to figure out where as I work in the Tech Center.

We just moved here in January. I grew up in C-Springs, went to school in Boulder, but was in Michigan for awhile and moved back to CO, never lived in Denver before so it's a new experience surrounded by old ones.

Well, if I see a custom colored Rob Roy or Mark V blasting around I know it's probably you! I'll try and stop and say hey.

[The LT]

I am assuming that the 62 will have a 58cm toptube?

[climbhoser]

I am assuming that the 62 will have a 58cm toptube?

Since Tony's never offered it before he has to draw it up. I don't know if he'll post the frame specs on his website or not, but you can't be that far off.

[flargle]

I'm thinking way too much about this sizing thing, so maybe you guys can help me out a little. I'm 5' 7", with about a 29-30 inch inseam. I'm trying to decide between a 52cm or 54cm.30 x 2.54 x .67 = 51.05

[The LT]

Since Tony's never offered it before he has to draw it up. I don't know if he'll post the frame specs on his website or not, but you can't be that far off.

I was just going by the trend set by the other frames and the toptube length goes up by 1cm for every 2cm in "actual" size

[SeanBonham]

When are we going to start geeking out about how we are going to build them up. It is more than 3 months away and I am already wasting time at work prowling ebay.....

Think this will be my freewheel bike. I already ride my fixed Mark V everyday.
Maybe a build like this: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=192307
Might use some sort of weird bars, On One Marys seems sweet, had Midges on my cross-check and they were dope. Might use mini v-brakes, hell I don't know.....

[anomaly]

I agree with Tim. BRG is DARK. That one has got some lime to it. I'd prefer that limey green over the blackish BRG but again, like Tim, I voted orange.

If the green votes go together in the final tally then perhaps only one green should be shown. I mean, if "green" wins, I still don't know what color it will be.

My personal opinion is the lime green is nice, but I think if he uses the same green as the SE Iro's he will sell more.

[anomaly]

Hows about a GB on a SS 29er frame? :hopeful:

[anomaly]

I can't believe people are asking $300+ for SE frames.

Any possibility of getting a Rob Roy with disc tabs? Any idea how much it would cost to have a local frame builder to put some on?

[jhota]

When are we going to start geeking out about how we are going to build them up. It is more than 3 months away and I am already wasting time at work prowling ebay.....

Think this will be my freewheel bike. I already ride my fixed Mark V everyday.
Maybe a build like this: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=192307
Might use some sort of weird bars, On One Marys seems sweet, had Midges on my cross-check and they were dope. Might use mini v-brakes, hell I don't know.....

let's see: Soma Urban Pursuit handlebars, Surly free/free flip-flop hub(s), Velocity Deep-V rims.

that's as far as i've gotten so far.

oh, and i've had the brakes for this bike sitting on a shelf for years - a set of n.o.s. Onza H.O. cantis.

[Alex]

Any possibility of getting a Rob Roy with disc tabs? Any idea how much it would cost to have a local frame builder to put some on?

This is what I am wandering. Is it too late to lobby for this? I don't really have plans to put disc brakes on it but it would be nice to have as a future option and for value. Someone said something about replacing the fork so they could have disc brakes up front and a roller brake in the back. I am thinking there is a fair amount of people that would like disc brake tabs on the bike.

[climbhoser]

This is what I am wandering. Is it too late to lobby for this? I don't really have plans to put disc brakes on it but it would be nice to have as a future option and for value. Someone said something about replacing the fork so they could have disc brakes up front and a roller brake in the back. I am thinking there is a fair amount of people that would like disc brake tabs on the bike.


Some people want it, but it is too late. Disc tabs are great for some, not worth their while for others. If you want a disc fork then a good idea would be to sell or trade the IRO fork and get one with. For those of us who will be commuting (and who don't see the absurd value in discs) they are unnecessary. I plan on keeping this bike forever. All of them.

Wish it weren't so, but I am. So, we're all getting the standard Rob Roy in one of three colors.

[DDYTDY]

I got some Sun M19A rims waiting for this bike. 34mm Cyclocross Tubulars Baby! Commuter comfort! I'm thinking an XT front hub. But what for the rear? I want to run Fixed and want good seals. Track hub or an XT hub with a Surly Fixer?

Suggestions?

Honjo Hammered fenders:

http://www.velo-orange.com/ho35fesmha.html

Nitto Randonneur Bar:

http://hiawathacyclery.com/cart/images/IMG_0501_500.jpg

[Retem]

I got some Sun M19A rims waiting for this bike. 34mm Cyclocross Tubulars Baby! Commuter comfort! I'm thinking an XT front hub. But what for the rear? I want to run Fixed and want good seals. Track hub or an XT hub with a Surly Fixer?

Suggestions?

Honjo Hammered fenders:

http://www.velo-orange.com/ho35fesmha.html

Nitto Randonneur Bar:

http://hiawathacyclery.com/cart/images/IMG_0501_500.jpg
if you want good seals get phil woods.. if you want good seals at a decent price get formula
my formulas and phils have both survived a winter or two quite well however the phils are nice warranty wise

[oharescrubs]

sorry to dude i sent my request to be added to the list. i didnt read that this was a go ahead. sweet... im soo down. i was about to order one of these before and have it powdercoated BRG anyways, so score. just gotta wait 3 months

[TimJ]

I'm freaking out about the sizing now. I thought 60 would be the way to go but checking out my other bikes, my current cross bike is a little small and it's got a 54/55 cm top tube. My fixie, which is a bigger (57 vs the cross bike's 54) than the cross bike, has got just a 56/57cm top tube. Not a lot longer.

Looking at the seat tube measurement's I'd go w/ the 60, but looking at the top tube measurements I think the 58 (I think) might be the way to go. I'm 5' 11" w/ a 32 1/2 (82/83cm) inch inseam.

This is all prefaced on the fact that I haven't bought a new bike, as in new from a bike shop, for... 18 years. All my bikes are craigslist or ebay so I've never been fitted for a bike and have just been figuring out what's right for me by trial and error. So far: obviously I'm still confused.

He'p me.

[flargle]

32.5 x 2.54 x .67 = 55.3

[cradduck]

This was going to be my first fixie but it looks like I am going to be switching my 80's Centurion over for that purpose.

I really like the idea of doing a Nexus 8-speed internal greared road bike for all weather commuting, do anything type of bike. Does anyone know a good chainring size or crankset to go with this hub?

[Ronsonic]

Don't sweat the sizing. If you've got a road or cross bike pull out a tape measure and print out the chart and go over it. The seat tube measurement isn't everything, don't let it confuse you. Compare the center to center measurements on your bike both ST and top tube. The only difference is that with the RR not as much seatpost will show.

[Chuckie J.]

32.5 x 2.54 x .67 = 55.3

Hey flargle,

I'm not doubting your calculations especially when I punched in my own numbers and got 61.26 and I planned on getting the 62cm.... but.... what are the numbers?

First is inseam but what about the next two?

[Chuckie J.]

I'm freaking out about the sizing now. I thought 60 would be the way to go but checking out my other bikes, my current cross bike is a little small and it's got a 54/55 cm top tube. My fixie, which is a bigger (57 vs the cross bike's 54) than the cross bike, has got just a 56/57cm top tube. Not a lot longer.

Looking at the seat tube measurement's I'd go w/ the 60, but looking at the top tube measurements I think the 58 (I think) might be the way to go. I'm 5' 11" w/ a 32 1/2 (82/83cm) inch inseam.

This is all prefaced on the fact that I haven't bought a new bike, as in new from a bike shop, for... 18 years. All my bikes are craigslist or ebay so I've never been fitted for a bike and have just been figuring out what's right for me by trial and error. So far: obviously I'm still confused.

He'p me.

My girlfriend's 5'8" and lanky and I was thinking of the 56cm for her. According to flargle's measurements your 5'11" body needs the same 56. Something strange is going on. I'd guess you for 58cm at LEAST.

[asymptotic]

Hey flargle,

I'm not doubting your calculations especially when I punched in my own numbers and got 61.26 and I planned on getting the 62cm.... but.... what are the numbers?

First is inseam but what about the next two?

inseam (inches) * 2.54 (centimeters per inch) * 2/3 (a unitless ratio that people decided gave a good top tube length for a given inseam)

[fat_bike_nut]

This was going to be my first fixie but it looks like I am going to be switching my 80's Centurion over for that purpose.

I really like the idea of doing a Nexus 8-speed internal greared road bike for all weather commuting, do anything type of bike. Does anyone know a good chainring size or crankset to go with this hub?

Why don't you try tinkering with numbers here (internal gear inch calculator):

http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/internal.html

[sloghost]

Great having a choice of 3 colors.
But hard to choose.

Looking at the green and orange frames in the sample pictures,
they seem to have that(hard to discribe) flat powdercoated look.

Was wondering if the Black was going to be the same way??
Any pictures of a Black IRO frame??

[muteseh]

same measurements as my scott, the only difference is the head angle (71 v. 73), so i guess the RR will have a slightly shorter wheelbase. how much will that matter?

[climbhoser]

TimJ...get the 58.

flargle's calculator is for standard c-c I think you go by .69 for c-t

Anyways, IRO's bikes ride small, remember. I usually ride a 56, even though the calculation puts me at 57 because I have short arms and like to be a little more upright. I'm getting a 58. Ride up a size from the calculation, so if you come in at 55.2381 or some jazz then you're a normal bike 56 rider or an IRO 58.

[flargle]

Hey flargle,

I'm not doubting your calculations especially when I punched in my own numbers and got 61.26 and I planned on getting the 62cm.... but.... what are the numbers?

First is inseam but what about the next two?[Long post, perhaps more meandering than appropriate for this thread, bear with me . . .]

2.54 converts English to metric, and .67 is the Lemond factor for a traditional road bike seattube measured center to top -- which is the basis for the IRO bike size. Soma does a similar thing with their semi-compact road frames, i.e. the putative "size" refers not to an actual measurement but to the equivalent in a traditional frame. I wish more companies did the same.

In the relatively small time I've been on this forum, I've noticed a lot of people sizing bikes based on top tube. I suspect this is because seat tube is no longer a reliable measure with all the different materials, sloping top tubes, etc -- so people feel that top tube or even "effective" top tube is a reliable way to size a bike. After all, top tube determines your cockpit length, right?

I think this approach is inherently wrong. In many cases it will give the same answer as basing off of seat tube, but it is conceptually wrong. Top tube does not determine cockpit length if seat tube is wrong. Suppose, for example, you choose a frame based on top tube, but the seat tube is undersized. To make up for this, of course, you use a lot of seatpost . . . which moves your butt up and away from the handlebars. There's an active thread on bike fit, with photos showing exactly this problem.
My girlfriend's 5'8" and lanky and I was thinking of the 56cm for her. According to flargle's measurements your 5'11" body needs the same 56. Something strange is going on. I'd guess you for 58cm at LEAST.
I'm suspicious of his pubic bone height (PBH) measurement. (The term "inseam" is ambiguous.) I'm 6'0" with a 35" PBH, a measurement that I confirmed when I got fitted by my LBS, and according to the bikefitting.com database, my measurements are right at the average for people of my height.

But supposing his measurement is for real, short legs and long torso. The frame size should still be based on PBH, and cockpit adjusted with the stem length, because there's only so far you can lower a seatpost.

All of this discussion is predicated on an accurate measurement of PBH. How to measure PBH (http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it)

[flargle]

flargle's calculator is for standard c-c I think you go by .69 for c-tLemond factor is .67 for C-T, .65 for C-C.

[rocks in head]

and now for something completely different:
...
what's the build quality like on the standard IRO build? The spec sheet just says IRO this and IRO that... I assume that they're made by others (e.g. I know that the IRO hub is a formula) I'm just trying to put all the pieces together in my head and can't do it for under $200, even cheap / nashbar stuff.