Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit in half for two people?

Anyone know how much the New York Fahgettaboudit U-lock weighs?

It occurs to me that the initial point of contact on a round chain is also tiny.

In the end, it comes down to having a chain of sufficiently hardened steel.

The shape wouldn't do any thing if trying to cut with a saw or grinder, but with bolt cutters it could be beneficial.

the jaws would have to open wider for a given link width vs. round link, thus giving less leverage and cutting power. I imagine the hexagonal link is more likely to slide out of the jaws, since the wider angles work out to more of a pushing than cutting action.

The hardened steels U-locks and the kryptonite chain are made of are just as hard if not harder than a hack saw blade steel. i dont know why people think hacksaws can cut locks, they just don't work.

the trick is in exploiting the brittleness of those hardened steels...

curious what you all think about the design of the "new york noose" locks...

http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid=1002&pid=1195

I dont see the point. Move the lock to a shorter link and achieve the same effect for free.

EDIT: never mind, some chains don't have enough room for this between the links.

Anyone know how much the New York Fahgettaboudit U-lock weighs?

4 pounds, IIRC.

Any particular hardware store may carry chain for mission critical applications, where significant monetary investments or even lives are at stake. Applications much more critical than holding a bicycle to a post. Such chain does indeed exist. It's commonly available, and not even very expensive.

You didn't read the bit about "strong against lengthwise forces, not hardened to make it difficult to cut", did you?

Why don't you get the 70cm NY Noose instead? It'll be lighter, and give you a lot more usable chain than the same length Fahgettaboudit.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9939/noose1jq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6528/noose2ak1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If I'm looking for a shrouded lock for my homebuilt chain lock, should I use something like this?
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200319357_200319357
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200246924_200246924
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200319793_200319793

I doubt that you will fit a serious chain into any of those locks, for a start.

This, despite having no shroud, will be tougher than any of those locks:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200319351_200319351

The masterlock 'titanium' is little more than a luggage lock. mostly plastic.

I use a small abus discus with a 5mm hardened chain as a cafe lock, for low crime areas. But if you are making your own NY chain, you are going to have to use a Abus Discus 20 series that will set you back $35-50

It ain't just about the chain. A lot of the value in the Kryptonite chains is the lock you get with them.

I doubt that you will fit a serious chain into any of those locks, for a start.

I noticed the same thing after I posted the links. I already have a Kryptonite U-Lock, I am just wanting a second type of lock to further beef up my security...

The only place I lock up outside is at work, so I plan on leaving both locks attached to the rack/etc., so weight/size isn't an issue.

i use a square security chain i purchased off of mcmaster.com in conjunction with a nyc faghettaboutit ulock. over kill? perhaps. but seems everyone and their brother has had their bike stole and i for one, do not want to be of that group.
I'm looking at the square security chains on mcmaster.com right now and am wondering if two feet is enough? The next available size is five feet, which certainly would be overkill. Suggestions?

Why don't you get the 70cm NY Noose instead? It'll be lighter, and give you a lot more usable chain than the same length Fahgettaboudit.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9939/noose1jq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6528/noose2ak1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I had few Breezer Thunders back in the 90s, a Lightning too and the red one..Storm? Those are some nice hardtails

If I'm looking for a shrouded lock for my homebuilt chain lock, should I use something like this?
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200319357_200319357
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200246924_200246924
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200319793_200319793

Hi OLDDIRTHILL, this is how a shrouded padlock is used:

http://www.lockitt.com/images/lockitt/CHLK95AB35.jpg

the lock you linked too is excellent for this purpose, but you need to have a chain that has one link longer , so the the other end of the chain can slip thru (like above pic)

one of the best locks if you DONT have a chain with a longer link, is to use your chain with one of these, a CISA MONOBLOCK, that way you can get both chain end links onto the lock:

http://www.lockitt.com/images/CHQuadlink6_285S.jpg

with thanks to Lockitt for the pics!



:)

Yikes...that Cisa is pricey. $70 (http://www.lockitt.com/PadlockHighSecurity.htm)

This thread interests me because I already use a kryptonite U Lock and am looking for an inexpensive but effective second lock to use in conjunction with the U Lock.

I'm interested in some hardware store chain but I don't know what kind of padlock to attach to it. That www.mcmaster.com link has some interesting options for chains, but again I ask - what padlock should I use?i have a new u lock that came with my kryptonite chain and don't want it. you ?

i have a new u lock that came with my kryptonite chain and don't want it. you ?

I want it. And need it. Then I could be rid of ye olde Bell/no name U-Lock.

get rid of that thing quick, it might be bic pennable. but then again i dunno how bad theft is in missouri, just the sight of a lock might be deterent enough

get rid of that thing quick, it might be bic pennable. but then again i dunno how bad theft is in missouri, just the sight of a lock might be deterent enough
It's got the round key, but I tried several different pens and they were too small to fit around the center peg of the lock mechanism. Still, a 2x4 or pipe would probably crack it in <10 seconds.
I just got it for a temporary solution to use with my low-end cable lock. That said, where I'm parking it the best lock I've seen is a $2 combo chain.

Anyways considering this, I'm planning on getting an Evo series lock, because it's not likely to be messed with since it's a lock (and a good one at that) but if it somehow got cracked the insurance would cover my bike (I only need $500 worth).

when i lived in albany, ny i used a bell u lock on my crappy ass bmx. it worked

Does the New York Fahgettaboudit also work in other cities?

Perhaps they should market these things regionally:

The Detroit Don'teventhinkaboutit.

The Chicago Whatcholookinatpunk

The Boise Pleasedon'tstealmeplease

Does the New York Fahgettaboudit also work in other cities?

Perhaps they should market these things regionally:

The Detroit Don'teventhinkaboutit.

The Chicago Whatcholookinatpunk

The Boise Pleasedon'tstealmeplease

The Atlanta Ourbaseballteamsuckssowhyareyouevenherestealingbikes? ;)

obviously because new york is the toughest hood

lol.

The point of the noose chain is to be able to carry a shorter chain. Instead of having to go around the object and come back to the lock.

I find this thread interesting.
Specially how so many people are so cheap. They would go to a hardware store and buy a cheopo china lock rather that going for the quality.
BTW, most Kryptonite products are made in China too


Pat

The point of the noose chain is to be able to carry a shorter chain. Instead of having to go around the object and come back to the lock.

I find this thread interesting.
Specially how so many people are so cheap. They would go to a hardware store and buy a cheopo china lock rather that going for the quality.
BTW, most Kryptonite products are made in China too


Pat

Because "Made in the US of A" makes all that big of a difference in quality. I've seen crap from either side.

Honestly anymore, even your hair is made in China and shipped to your follicles while you're asleep. ;)

Yikes...that Cisa is pricey. $70 (http://www.lockitt.com/PadlockHighSecurity.htm)

:D:D try buying it (or any good locks) up in Canada, that CISA is $160 - 180 CDN up here. A New York Fugggeeetttaboutit lock is between $120 - $150 CDN at the local LBS's. Never mind the Fuggeettaboutit cahin and U lock at $120 - 160 CDN.

You guys have it good down there in the USA.

Well let's hope you can get the chain for $10 CDN then.

the $10 was a typo :D:D:D , its $120

Darn I was planning a trip because of that... :D

Does the New York Fahgettaboudit also work in other cities?

Perhaps they should market these things regionally:

The Detroit Don'teventhinkaboutit.

The Chicago Whatcholookinatpunk

The Boise Pleasedon'tstealmeplease

The Salt Lake City Shouldn'tyoubeinsundayschoolyoungman?

Honestly anymore, even your hair is made in China and shipped to your follicles while you're asleep. ;)

****, no wonder mine is falling out. I just tried calling tech support but I couldn't understand the Indian accent.

Still, a 2x4 or pipe would probably crack it in <10 seconds.
Hogwash. The BiC trick does work, but you won't bust it with a pipe or 2x4. You do realize that Krypto is exchanging those round key locks for flat key versions right? This is really old news, like 3 years.

mods arent allowed to be funny

you guys need to stop breaking the rules

keep us on topic damn you

Hogwash. The BiC trick does work, but you won't bust it with a pipe or 2x4. You do realize that Krypto is exchanging those round key locks for flat key versions right? This is really old news, like 3 years.


99% of the Ulocks (even new ones) are broken with a pipe or lengthof wood, inserted into the U portion, and twisted. Do a tour of Granville Island or the DTES, or the local campuses here and all you will find is twisted broken U locks and wood splinters or 2x4's underneath the bike racks.

Why don't you get the 70cm NY Noose instead? It'll be lighter, and give you a lot more usable chain than the same length Fahgettaboudit.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9939/noose1jq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6528/noose2ak1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thats a good lock job.

The point of the noose chain is to be able to carry a shorter chain. Instead of having to go around the object and come back to the lock.

I find this thread interesting.
Specially how so many people are so cheap. They would go to a hardware store and buy a cheopo china lock rather that going for the quality.
BTW, most Kryptonite products are made in China too


Pat

My NY Noose chain with Evo 4 lock was made in Italy and Taiwan, according to the packaging.

thats a good lock job.

I don't know why more people don't use noose chains, but I think it's because it isn't clear to folks how they are meant to be used.

I got a NY fuggeeedddaattaaabout the stinking Mets lock with the tiny-u that I could stand to get rid of. That is if you're still on the market for one.

It's the 5' chain one, all 3 keys, good condition. Just sayin'

i'm likin the ny noose 2footer, i may get one and leave it at school

I got a NY fuggeeedddaattaaabout the stinking Mets lock with the tiny-u that I could stand to get rid of. That is if you're still on the market for one.

It's the 5' chain one, all 3 keys, good condition. Just sayin'
How much?

Hogwash. The BiC trick does work, but you won't bust it with a pipe or 2x4. You do realize that Krypto is exchanging those round key locks for flat key versions right? This is really old news, like 3 years.

Good for you, your attempted intelligent statement will now be shot down for a 2nd time.

I was referring to the

>>>>>BELL<<<<<

branded U-Locks, which use a round key. However the peg that the key fits over is too big for the Bic pen tric ;) to work. However it's not that sturdy, a crescent wrench blow would probably kill it, and a pipe could pry it open as well.

99% of the Ulocks (even new ones) are broken with a pipe or lengthof wood, inserted into the U portion, and twisted. Do a tour of Granville Island or the DTES, or the local campuses here and all you will find is twisted broken U locks and wood splinters or 2x4's underneath the bike racks.

i don't doubt you but have never heard of that before this thread.

btw whats a good site to get the ny noose 2ft3? cheapest i've found was amazon at $68. anyone got the secrets for me?

btw whats a good site to get the ny noose 2ft3? cheapest i've found was amazon at $68. anyone got the secrets for me?

http://www.google.lv/products?q=Noose+kryptonite&btnG=Search&show=dd&scoring=p

Good lord this thread is packed with terrible advice and ill-informed opinions.

Good lord this thread is packed with terrible advice and ill-informed opinions.

Such as what exactly?