Southern California - Hispanic Handlebars

I'm not a big fan of groupthink, and I don't think any one person here speaks for the group. I'm not the only one who is bothered by those terms; I and those other folks are part of the online community here now.
If this type of criticism isn't comfortable for anyone in the group, my suggestion would be for them to create their own private message board where they can dictate who posts and what is posted.


Um...you do realize that you nor I nor Happytime nor any other member on here (whether they do or don't like the posts on here) truly dictates what ANYONE will post...except the OWNER of Bike Forums? It's up to the MODS to decide if posts are truly offensive/racist/sexist/over the line, etc..

The "groupthink" doesn't even really exist, Allez. Yet, for some reason, "those who haven't been on a ride and/or met other members on here" think that those who "have been on a ride and/or met other members on here" are some enormous circle of friends or "cliqu-ish group" that has taken over. Just so you know, I met folks I exchange jokes with in posts ON HERE over the last year of posting and organizing/joining on rides. We're all just ADULTS on a PUBLIC FORUM who ride bikes...sometimes together. Believe it or not, we don't all meet at some private location with a secret code word to get in the door. :rolleyes:

On the contrary, I think those who don't want to come ride on the organized rides with the majority on here who do, but come on Bike Forums for information and "entertainment" either accept that their standards of how others must conduct themselves may not be met or THEY can go create THEIR own "private message board where THEY can dictate who posts and what is posted."

BTW taking this PC thing too far... I noticed another thread is "Who ate Hispanic food last night?"

OK I like Mexican food and eat Mexican food (emphasis definitely added) maybe 2 times a week but I'm not certain if I have ever gone to a Hispanic restaurant which I 'm assuming can mean Mexican, El Salvadorean,Columbian, Peruvian whatever. There is nothing wrong in saying Mexican food. Mexican food is awesome and the people who make it are proud of their dishes. I bet they would slap one of us upside our heads if we called it Hispanic food.

I am proud of my heritage as well and wouldn't think of calling a restaurant Asian as opposed to Japanese. Boy is there a big different in Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, etc food.

We need to stop with the PC stuff. It's really getting out of hand. (did I say that already?!)


It'll never happen. Sensitivities are too high.

ME - I appreciate your positive and encouraging posts but if I can't laugh at myself how can I appreciate others taking a good joke at my expense! ;) I am the first to make fun of me. But I better not catch the rest of you doing it or I'll sit on you! :p

I am trying to be funny... maybe I've missed the mark...

:lol: No, you didn't miss. That was funny and something I'd probably say about myself...only I'd have the perv slant cause that's my schtick. ;)

. Believe it or not, we don't all meet at some private location with a secret code word to get in the door. :rolleyes:




Whew....I thought you were gonna blow our covers here....:p

Whew....I thought you were gonna blow our covers here....:p

See...now...that ain't helping. :rolleyes::p;):D

I know better

Your posting history would seem to indicate otherwise.

No disrepect to anyone I am just relaying the facts. Some time ago there was a post about a man who while riding his WalMart bike was hit and killed by a car. I made a comment that it's shame people will think bicyclist, ie people who ride for sport as opposed to folks who ride bcause they have no other transportation, were being foolish and riding in the dark, against traffic with no lights. I was totally jumped on my not one person but several for making an apparently rascist statement.

If you're referring to your comments in the thread about the rider killed in Dana Point, you're wrong. Nobody said a word about racism. Several people, including me, opined that your statements were jaw-droppingly stupid and astoundingly silly.

At the time, you did the same "look at me, I'm so un-PC" song and dance that you are doing right now. It occurred to me then that the "un-PC" pose is often used as a fig leaf for publicly making statements or expressing opinions that are quite simply blinkered and moronic. But hey, it's OK...look at meeeeee, I'm not one of those uptight politically correct types!

See...now...that ain't helping. :rolleyes::p;):D

My pleasure....it must be the heat!!:rolleyes::p:eek:;)

Um...you do realize that you nor I nor Happytime nor any other member on here (whether they do or don't like the posts on here) truly dictates what ANYONE will post...except the OWNER of Bike Forums? It's up to the MODS to decide if posts are truly offensive/racist/sexist/over the line, etc..

The "groupthink" doesn't even really exist, Allez. Yet, for some reason, "those who haven't been on a ride and/or met other members on here" think that those who "have been on a ride and/or met other members on here" are some enormous circle of friends or "cliqu-ish group" that has taken over. Just so you know, I met folks I exchange jokes with in posts ON HERE over the last year of posting and organizing/joining on rides. We're all just ADULTS on a PUBLIC FORUM who ride bikes...sometimes together. Believe it or not, we don't all meet at some private location with a secret code word to get in the door. :rolleyes:

On the contrary, I think those who don't want to come ride on the organized rides with the majority on here who do, but come on Bike Forums for information and "entertainment" either accept that their standards of how others must conduct themselves may not be met or THEY can go create THEIR own "private message board where THEY can dictate who posts and what is posted."

Again, there are some assumptions here being made that aren't true. I've neither said nor suggested that there is a secret cabal here. If I have, please point it out to me.

No groupthink? Then why was it suggested, politely, that if I don't like how things are done here that I leave?

Are you sure that the majority who post here go on the organized rides? Perhaps the majority of the most prolific posters do go on the organized rides, but I question the assumption that the majority of all posters do so.

I would like to come on an organized ride at some point. For now, I can't. Those reasons have nothing to do with anyone here, or what they've posted. As I said, at some point, I'll post a ride, and/or when I'm able, I'll join a ride. But, I don't think that these forums are strictly for-those-who-join-group-rides, are they? I don't see that spelled out any where.

And yes, of course, the mods have the final say in what is OK to post, and what isn't. My point to Happytime was that it seemed her comments to me were a suggestion to put-up-or-shut-up (though, again, more diplomatically stated). If the moderators feel my posts are over the line, they can of course choose to delete them.

Till then, they're staying put. So am I, for the reasons I mentioned (useful local info, funny threads).

Re: the PC comments. If someone here can explain to me how objecting to "Jap" is unreasonable, again, keeping in mind the context here, I'm open to rethinking it.

It'll never happen. Sensitivities are too high.

Nice avatar!!!!

;)

It was time for a change.

Flipping up the drop bars been done since the 60's.

floyd mcfarland sez much longer than that:

I've neither said nor suggested that there is a secret cabal here. If I have, please point it out to me.

No, you didn't suggest it and I never said YOU did.

No groupthink? Then why was it suggested, politely, that if I don't like how things are done here that I leave?

That was my suggestion and Happytime's suggestion made indepent of one another. We didn't consult with the "Group" (or each other for that matter) before providing our own, individual opinions. And I don't recall either of us calling you out by name to get to packing.

Are you sure that the majority who post here go on the organized rides? Perhaps the majority of the most prolific posters do go on the organized rides, but I question the assumption that the majority of all posters do so.

This is a public forum, Allez, so anyone, including non-members, can come on here. But I do stand by the idea that the majority of those who post (perhaps I should have written "regularly" as well?) do go on the rides or have been at/on at least one.

But, I don't think that these forums are strictly for-those-who-join-group-rides, are they? I don't see that spelled out any where.

I never said that this forum is strictly for-those-who-join-group-rides. I agreed that there are those who just come on for information and entertainment - just as YOU indicated.

If the moderators feel my posts are over the line, they can of course choose to delete them.

Personally, not that it matters, I have never found your posts over the line in the least, or rude or unnecessary. I just, IMHO, wish you'd come meet us on a ride. I think you'd have a better idea of who the "us" are if you did (of course we might lose our Mafia image appeal, but, hey, can't have everything. :p)

Till then, they're staying put. So am I, for the reasons I mentioned (useful local info, funny threads).

Well, geez, I hope you do. My statement that "those being offended should leave" is merely a suggestion IF they are so offended that it is bothering THEM. I think that is more productive than calling the posts they find offensive racists/sexist/etc. Again - MY OPINION.
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:)

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It was time for a change.

:lol: I love it.

That's called a "DUI Bike". I used that setup in high school on my Varsity and could ride wheelies for days.

Placid:

I appreciate your right to call anyone a moron. You don't know me, have never met me but you know me best I guess.

I make comments about myself and will be the first to laugh at my foibles but I don't go out of my way to disaparaged others - I'll leave that lovely task to you. I can only assume your comments where meant to be trolling - to get a rise from me. Otherwise they would just be downright rude. But guess that's me being un-PC. You are so much more PC than I calling others morons!

Anyway, back to having fun... See ME - what I mean? You wonder why I feel and say what I say?

Anyway, back to having fun... See ME - what I mean? You wonder why I feel and say what I say?

Pam, I was actually going to defend you, but then realized that you don't need defending against a post like that (obviously the poster has issues). I've decided to put those who choose to attack other members in their posts, in lieu of respectfully stating their opinions, on ignore. Placid Casual is one of those who has been added to the list. :D

Yeah I guess he is one of those upright politically correct types, always offended. This is clearly the wrong place for him!

That's called a "DUI Bike". I used that setup in high school on my Varsity and could ride wheelies for days.

I always heard them called "bum bars"...

Re: the PC comments. If someone here can explain to me how objecting to "Jap" is unreasonable, again, keeping in mind the context here, I'm open to rethinking it.

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Allez, If you had spent any significant time at all looking at ride pictures or reading my posts, it's very apparent that I am of Japanese descent. Therefore, the remark was depreciating and meant to be humorous. In fact, the first time I said that in a group setting it elicited much laughter. I like to kid around a lot and have no problems being the butt of jokes/pranks myself.

That said, this thread has maxed out my patience and attention span. I hope to see you on a ride some day and find out what a cool person you are so I can take you off my IGNORE list.
Have a nice day. :)

:::sigh:::

That said, this thread has maxed out my patience and attention span.

Oh, come on, Happynotsolongtime, no one has gotten an eye put out yet...:p;):D

[QUOTE=Happytime;5178823]...I like to kid around a lot and have no problems being the butt of jokes/pranks myself.
QUOTE]

And often the butt of butt jokes, I might point out.

Butt out!

Butt out!

Make me, Assos.

There are some people who can't wait to be offended. And there are some people who feel it necessary to champion the cause of everyone who might possibly be offended. While it's nice to be reminded of freshman year of college, it gets tiresome...

Help! I'm being repressed!
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"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!" :eek:

Make me, Assos.

Sean, don't make me call you "Chicken Legs!" :rolleyes:


Help! I'm being repressed!


You would gain more sympathy if you took the "Repress Me" sign off your back.

While it's nice to be reminded of freshman year of college, it gets tiresome...


What? I liked my Freshman year of college, personally. That was the year I got the most...um...well, we'll just leave it with...I liked it. :D

What? I liked my Freshman year of college, personally. That was the year I got the most...um...well, we'll just leave it with...I liked it. :D

A's?

A's?

no...D's and F's.

Though not as puzzling to me as the chubby gabachos on the zillion-peso ultra-light road bikes I see huffing up PCH near Malibu. What is with the gordos and their 20-pound gunts, rolling the light bikes?Iono gringa, but ya gotta use it ta loose it.
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Don't make me go non PC, you wouldn't like it when I'm non PC

you wouldn't like it when I'm non PC

Ahhh... doesn't work, Ronjon. I think you're terminally likeable. :rolleyes:

Ahhh... doesn't work, Ronjon. I think you're terminally likeable. :rolleyes:


... If you had spent any significant time at all looking at ride pictures or reading my posts, it's very apparent that I am of Japanese descent.....

It wasn't apparent to me, all you illegal aliens look the same to me. :eek::p

It wasn't apparent to me, all you illegal aliens look the same to me. :eek::p

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Don't make me go non PC, you wouldn't like it when I'm non PCBring it hippy! :mad:

Oh yeah, that was me that started the Hispanic food thread. I would have said Mexican but just for kicks I said Hispanic in reference to the Handlebar thread. I guess you gotta know my SOH!:D

AND YES! I am Mexican. But don't tell Gina, she thinks I'm white!:p

Yikes!

I was thinking we were having a reasonable discussion about language. I really am sorry that it became personally upsetting to some folks. As much as I tried to emphasize that I was interested in talking about words and ideas, not about making value judgments about individuals, that didn't come across. Unclear thinking and writing on my part, then. I apologize for that.

For what it's worth, the conversation here has been helpful to me. Mo' took the time to explain his point-of-view, and made me rethink my point-of-view. That's what it's all about. The fact that that process led to bad feelings in some, though, is not what I'm about.

My objection to the two terms under discussion doesn't come from some abstract, namby-pamby sensitivity. It comes from witnessing, directly, first-hand, their use to hurt other people. It's a gut-level response, coupled with a personal interest in language and vocabulary and how we communicate. That latter interest might be too esoteric at times for a sports forum. I'll try to keep it down. ;)

For the record, for those here who have said they hope to meet me and find out I'm actually cool in real life, the truth is, I am SO not cool. But, like everyone else here, I am a collection of all sorts of traits, some traits more likable than others. That's why I can't get angry at individuals here -- I know they are so much more than any words they put on the screen that might push my buttons.

Guess I'll leave it at that, in the interests of not overstepping the sensitivities of other here. If anyone is actually interested in hashing it out further, feel free to PM me.

Again, my apologies to Happytime and anyone else I unintentionally aggravated.

Hey you are very cool. Don't tell people that you aren't. :)

I'm not Mexican but I can pass for Hispanic and I WAS offended...what's so hard to understand about these guidelines??



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Oh yeah, that was me that started the Hispanic food thread. I would have said Mexican but just for kicks I said Hispanic in reference to the Handlebar thread. I guess you gotta know my SOH!:D

AND YES! I am Mexican. But don't tell Gina, she thinks I'm white!:p

That thread cracked me up!

I ate at a restaurant recently, which dubbed its menu as being "American" cuisine (what the heck does that mean?), and was served by an utterly charming guy who had a non-American accent. Normally, I wouldn't be so nosy, but when he put his arm around me and called me his girl (yeah, working it for the tip, but who can resist?) I figured we were "friendly" enough that it would be OK to ask.

Turns out he was raised in... Hispaniola! How cool is that? I kinda-sorta knew where that was, but had to Google it for more info. Super cool cat, totally made the dinner rock. (And, yeah, he got the big old tip.)

Anyway, your secret is safe with me. I'm mixed race, but look as white as the day is long, so according to my friends, "it doesn't count!" LOL.

Always enjoy your posts, Mr. Beanz. I am taking notes on your good-natured cool!

There are some people who can't wait to be offended. And there are some people who feel it necessary to champion the cause of everyone who might possibly be offended. While it's nice to be reminded of freshman year of college, it gets tiresome...

Help! I'm being repressed!


Polite question, and a suggestion.

Is there anyone here in particular that your comment is intended for? If so, would you mind naming them by name?

I don't know of anyone here who fits that description, but I won't deny that that person exists, if you can give me a specific example, and support it. If it was just a random whinge, not related to anyone or anything posted in this thread, then, never mind, of course.

Thanks.

Placid:

I appreciate your right to call anyone a moron.

I didn't call you a moron. I said that your statement (to wit, that the person who was killed several months ago in Dana Point while riding a bicycle was not a bicyclist) was moronic. I thought so then, and I think so now.

If you say something that I think is moronic, I will point it out. You are free to do the same.

As for the PC/un-PC business, I am not defending political correctness or stick-up-the-assness in general. I'm making the observation that in my experience, when a person loudly proclaims himself or herself "un-PC," he or she has nearly always just finished saying something bigoted and dumb, or is just about to do so. Make of that what you will.

Placid Casual is one of those who has been added to the list.

True roadies don't put people on Ignore.

Yikes!

I was thinking we were having a reasonable discussion about language. I really am sorry that it became personally upsetting to some folks. As much as I tried to emphasize that I was interested in talking about words and ideas, not about making value judgments about individuals, that didn't come across. Unclear thinking and writing on my part, then. I apologize for that.

For what it's worth, the conversation here has been helpful to me. Mo' took the time to explain his point-of-view, and made me rethink my point-of-view. That's what it's all about. The fact that that process led to bad feelings in some, though, is not what I'm about.

My objection to the two terms under discussion doesn't come from some abstract, namby-pamby sensitivity. It comes from witnessing, directly, first-hand, their use to hurt other people. It's a gut-level response, coupled with a personal interest in language and vocabulary and how we communicate. That latter interest might be too esoteric at times for a sports forum. I'll try to keep it down. ;)

For the record, for those here who have said they hope to meet me and find out I'm actually cool in real life, the truth is, I am SO not cool. But, like everyone else here, I am a collection of all sorts of traits, some traits more likable than others. That's why I can't get angry at individuals here -- I know they are so much more than any words they put on the screen that might push my buttons.

Guess I'll leave it at that, in the interests of not overstepping the sensitivities of other here. If anyone is actually interested in hashing it out further, feel free to PM me.

Again, my apologies to Happytime and anyone else I unintentionally aggravated.

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Everyone's point of view is always welcomed.

Recently I had fun with a friend who always refers to Asians as "orientals" . Someone snapped at her and she got upset. She didn't get it. I explained that when you normally referred to someone's nationality you refer to the continental of national origin - for instance, chinese people come from Asia therefore their general category is Asian (along with Vietnamese, Cambodians, Koreans, etc). If someone comes from Kenya they are for instance "African", and so forth. Oriental refers to anything east of Europe - so also include Turkey, Iraq, Greece, parts of Russia, the category is too broad. Oriental rugs for instance, come from the middle east, not from Asia. I think my firend finally got it but then I really confused her when I told her Japanese were not Asians althoough we are lumped into that category. She asks "how come" and I explained Japan is an island onto itself, separate and apart from Asia and so Japanese should always be called Japanese not Asian (I was teasing her). Of course I really confused her because her response was "how I can I tell someone is Japanese and not Chinese, all orientals look alike to me!"

Oh well, no reason to get defensive or upset. It's a process of education.

Now can we get back to the more interesting discussion, as previously suggested? LESBIANS!

Everyone's point of view is always welcomed.

Recently I had fun with a friend who always refers to Asians as "orientals" . Someone snapped at her and she got upset. She didn't get it. I explained that when you normally referred to someone's nationality you refer to the continental of national origin - for instance, chinese people come from Asia therefore their general category is Asian (along with Vietnamese, Cambodians, Koreans, etc). If someone comes from Kenya they are for instance "African", and so forth. Oriental refers to anything east of Europe - so also include Turkey, Iraq, Greece, parts of Russia, the category is too broad. Oriental rugs for instance, come from the middle east, not from Asia. I think my firend finally got it but then I really confused her when I told her Japanese were not Asians althoough we are lumped into that category. She asks "how come" and I explained Japan is an island onto itself, separate and apart from Asia and so Japanese should always be called Japanese not Asian (I was teasing her). Of course I really confused her because her response was "how I can I tell someone is Japanese and not Chinese, all orientals look alike to me!"

Oh well, no reason to get defensive or upset. It's a process of education.

Occidentals can be so obtuse.