so can I still buy the frame just not at the sale price? what is the new price? and can you post pics of it?

Go to the first post of this thread. BD has updated the price. $540 for frame+fork. $450 frame only.

Anybody else see this yet.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170156015734&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

Finally close-ups of the 'real thing'. And it DOES say it's an ADK frame.

I wonder if we get the 5 year "no fault" warranty?

I'v got a shipping 'pick-up', departure (left Salina, KS today...), and in transit entry on the UPS tracking site for my frameset.

My frame is supposed to get here on the 8th. I guess UPS delivers on Columbus Day? My LBS is closed on Mondays so I'm going to have to get it in the first thing on Tuesday morning. Hopefully they'll get everything swapped over by Thursday or so so I can ride it a bit before the century on Sunday.

Still some confusion here. I guess I'll wait to measure before I order the derailleur and seat tube clamps. I'm scheduled for delivery on Monday.

On this thread -
<<I check and web guy put up wrong frt der spec
it is 34.9mm
I think you will find that is the same as pedal force says on the RS frame
mike>>

On E-Bay -
<<Headset Integrated 1 1/8
Front Derailleur 31.6 mm
Seat Post 27.2 mm
Seat Post Clamp 30.0 mm>>

Still some confusion here. I guess I'll wait to measure before I order the derailleur and seat tube clamps. I'm scheduled for delivery on Monday.

On this thread -
<<I check and web guy put up wrong frt der spec
it is 34.9mm
I think you will find that is the same as pedal force says on the RS frame
mike>>

On E-Bay -
<<Headset Integrated 1 1/8
Front Derailleur 31.6 mm
Seat Post 27.2 mm
Seat Post Clamp 30.0 mm>>

I sure hope 34.9 is correct, as that is what I already have ready to install. The Pedalforce RS is also 34.9 mm, and this frame seems to be the same dimensions for all other items. I hope it's right. Mine is scheduled to arrive later today.

EDIT: The 34.9 is correct. The frame looks really nice. I can hardly wait for the rest of the parts for this build to arrive; hopefully sometime next week.

^
Kein Problem!

Mine arrived this afternoon, ahead of schedule. The 34.9 is indeed correct. The 30mm seatpost clamp looks right, too. The frame is purty, can't wait to build it up and ride it.

Mine arrived this afternoon, ahead of schedule. ...
some pics of the box? the ups guy? your dog? and maybe one or two of the FRAME?

and what kind of irish luck do you have getting a delivery 'ahead of schedule'?!

I wonder if we get the 5 year "no fault" warranty?



I emailed BD and this is the reply.

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Its a lifetime no fault replacement policy. If anything at all ever happens to it, or if its an accident or abuse it will be replaced at a discounted price.

In a message dated 9/17/2007 12:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steelblue415@yahoo.com writes:

Hi,

I am interested in getting the Bottecchia CF frame and fork. What is the warranty on it? I couldn't find any warranty info on your web site.

Thanks,

Gary


Lindsay
www.bikesdirect.com (http://www.bikesdirect.com)

<<and what kind of irish luck do you have getting a delivery 'ahead of schedule'?!>>

My wife is a rural letter carrier and Smith, the UPS guy, is competitive?

Will this work for photos until I can find my photobucket password?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14620048@N02/

...Will this work for photos until I can find my photobucket password?


is that a 53cm? if so i think you got my frame and fork - please deliver to my house this morning...

then when my shipment gets here monday i will forward it to you via rfd...

is that a 53cm? if so i think you got my frame and fork - please deliver to my house this morning...

then when my shipment gets here monday i will forward it to you via rfd...

It IS a 53, I hope it will not be too small. The Competitive Cyclist fitting program told me my other 4 top tubes are all too long... :rolleyes:

Check back on flickr for photos of SOME of my wife's dogs. We have a deal, when she gets a dog, I get a bike. Seems like she picks up MANY dumped dogs on her rural route.

PS- the mail doesn't run on Monday, so don't try to con me just because I live in the South.:D

...Check back on flickr for photos of SOME of my wife's dogs. We have a deal, when she gets a dog, I get a bike...
sounds fair...

meanwhile, my frame is about 8-miles from here in the ups center... got there last night around midnight...

am tempted to drove over and beg someone to go get it for me...

stupid not-open-no-home-delivery-on-saturdays ups....

...Check back on flickr for photos of SOME of my wife's dogs...
nice doggies...

did ups require a sig when they delivered the frame?

did ups require a sig when they delivered the frame?

I was not home, and they left it on my carport.

My mother-in-law signed for mine next door at her house. Smith knows to deliver there, as there aren't as many dogs LOL and she is always home. Using a pretty accurate digital trigger-pull sensor, my 53 frame as shipped with bottle holder bolts, barrel adjusters and BB cable guide, weighs 2 lbs 10.4 oz. My fork with the steerer way long and uncut weighs 1 lb 5.2 oz. I ordered my Campy derailleur clamp and Chorus headset on Saturday. When they come in, I'll be ready to build er up.

sounds fair...

meanwhile, my frame is about 8-miles from here in the ups center... got there last night around midnight...

am tempted to drove over and beg someone to go get it for me...

stupid not-open-no-home-delivery-on-saturdays ups....

When I was tracking my Bottecchia Record, I saw it arriving in Charlotte (20 miles away) on Thursday morning, I called to try to pick it up and found that it needed to go through Greensboro (120 miles away) first. :( I finally saw it on Monday evening when I got back from work.:D

baby...

nice frame. i like the sort of argyle-like look of the nude carbon...

mine (53cm) weighed 2.55 lbs on a good scale...

sign of trouble: i bought this intending to build with the bits and pieces from my other carbon bike, but this sleek, new, sexy black thing almost demands to have shiny new hardware...

Did you paint that yourself or have it done?

Can any one tell me any differences between these 2 fframes? Motobecane Immortal Spirit and the Bottecchia? They seem to be the same to me....?


thanks

sign of trouble: i bought this intending to build with the bits and pieces from my other carbon bike, but this sleek, new, sexy black thing almost demands to have shiny new hardware...

Same problem here... I have to put some new parts on this sweet thing. Besides, some of the parts from my old bike won't fit. What a shame. New parts for me! I hope to have it together by the weekend, and will post some pics.

Roy, the geometry and look of both frames are totally different. I'm not sure how that translates into functional differences but they are not the same.

Can any one tell me any differences between these 2 fframes? Motobecane Immortal Spirit and the Bottecchia? They seem to be the same to me....?


thanks

I believe I saw where the Moto comes from Advanced, whereas the Bottecchia comes from ADK. Both are made in Taiwan, but made by different companies.

Anyone know what is involved when it comes to painting these frames? I don't want to paint the whole thing, just wanted to add a little design element into it. Maybe bring out 4 of those argyle print looking patters? So it'd be more a pin striping modification. Or it'd be really cool to block off two of the argyle / diamond shapes and sand blast / sand off the clear coat so it's matte. Keeping it understated =T.

Anyone know what is involved when it comes to painting these frames? I don't want to paint the whole thing, just wanted to add a little design element into it. Maybe bring out 4 of those argyle print looking patters? So it'd be more a pin striping modification. Or it'd be really cool to block off two of the argyle / diamond shapes and sand blast / sand off the clear coat so it's matte. Keeping it understated =T.

PM Patriot (page 1, post #16) in this thread. Check out his paint job.

Oh yeah thanks! The thread has been going on for so long now I totally forgot about his pink and black bike. Did some searching around and it doesn't seem too bad. I was thinking of stripping my old SL Frame (the 2005 Fuji SL that Motobecane rebranded), sounds like aluminum is a pain in the butt so I might just give it to my LBS.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071001171458AA1H1qn
http://www.flickr.com/groups/singlespeed/discuss/72057594125089293/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uncle/sets/72057594126403026/
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=47053

Alright I'm an idiot, I never bothered to look at the dimensions of the frame to see what issues I would have porting parts over from my existing bike (http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/lechamp_force08.htm). So far the seat post clamp is 30mm instead of 31.8mm, not a big deal. But I ended up purchasing a new SRAM Force Front Derailleur (rush ordering sucks, paid a hefty premium) because I needed a 34.9mm clamp over the existing 31.8mm clamp I had (should have made note of it since Mike did have that listed).

Now my biggest question is the headset. The headset on my Motobecane is the Cane Creek IS2, I've seen others in that big RS stickied thread that have used the IS2 and IS8 headsets. Why can't my bike shop install it? They said something about the bearings being 42mm for the IS2 headset and I needed 40mm? Can someone shed some light on this? Thanks!

Have you tried taking out your existing headset and seeing if it will fit at least in the top side? Can you get the existing one out, that is, how tight does it fit your current frame?

As you mentioned, others have used either the IS-2 or IS-6 or IS-8 (not the IS-2i's, etc., supposed to be for the Campy sized headsets), and nobody said they didn't work.

I had my LBS order me an IS-2 (not here yet, seat post clamp also), so I can't answer exactly yet. I just took the comments about which one to order from others....and hope it works.

On another subject.....

What's anybody doing for a chain stay protector and something closer to the bottom bracket area to keep a dropped chain from chewing up the CF? My 'brand name' CF bike has an extra metal plate that came on it from the factory under the vinyl protector fairly close to the bottom bracket.

My LBS doesn't have any of the vinyl strips and I read on one of the other PF RS theads somewhere that somebody tried the carbon fiber stay protectors and they weren't any good. Appearently started coming off and then shredded into nice sharp carbon fiber needles.

I had my LBS order me an IS-2 (not here yet, seat post clamp also), so I can't answer exactly yet. I just took the comments about which one to order from others....and hope it works.

The IS2 works.


What's anybody doing for a chain stay protector and something closer to the bottom bracket area to keep a dropped chain from chewing up the CF? My 'brand name' CF bike has an extra metal plate that came on it from the factory under the vinyl protector fairly close to the bottom bracket.

My LBS doesn't have any of the vinyl strips and I read on one of the other PF RS theads somewhere that somebody tried the carbon fiber stay protectors and they weren't any good. Appearently started coming off and then shredded into nice sharp carbon fiber needles.

I have the same concern. I taped some thicker black electrical tape around the chainstay just in case the chain drops before I find a more permanent solution.

Jeff from Bike Island gave me the following response:

"The frame measures 41mm and the bearings out of my Cane Creek IS2 measure 41mm. It's a little tight, but that's the way you want it."

Guess I'll just tell the guys at the LBS that's its going to be crazy tight, but get it in there.

Oh Man! I ordered a Campagnolo headset. Didn't realize there are different standards...

My LBS emailed me a while ago and my IS-2 headset is in. I am taking my frame/fork in and will have them put the bearings in the frame. I think they also will have to put the crown race on the fork, although I think some others said the crown race was split so fit over the steerer tube easily.

I believe the bearings would want to fit the frame snugly, as if they don't the steerer tube/bearings would pound around inside the head tube and grind it up.

The Chris King web site has an article about headsets in general and is negative on 'integrated headsets'. Nevertheless, it is interesting.

Since this frame uses an integrated headset, we get what we've got.

http://www.chrisking.com/tech/int_headsets_explained/int_hds_explain_1.html

It's also downloadable as a PDF file.

My LBS emailed me a while ago and my IS-2 headset is in. I am taking my frame/fork in and will have them put the bearings in the frame. I think they also will have to put the crown race on the fork, although I think some others said the crown race was split so fit over the steerer tube easily.

The IS2 crown race was a pain to get on. Mine was not split. I had to fine the right tool and bang it pretty hard to get it on, but was able to do it without any damage to the race. I was almost to the point of just take it by the LBS, which I'd recommend now.

The IS2 crown race was a pain to get on. Mine was not split. I had to fine the right tool and bang it pretty hard to get it on, but was able to do it without any damage to the race. I was almost to the point of just take it by the LBS, which I'd recommend now.


Ah, that's why I had my LBS order one...they get to put it together for me.

Now if he'd just get the seat post clamp...

Supposed to be nice here for the weekend (been raining quite a bit lately), and then next week, more bad weather, so it doesn't look like I'm going to get the build done before the rains return.

Overnighted the SRAM Force front dérailleur but couldn't find a 30mm seat post clamp out of the 7-8 bike stores I visited today. WTF?!

Just stopped by the LBS and had a talk. They said they couldn't get the IS-2 headset in. %*@)$*@$ is there much variance between frame to frame of the same model? They are insisting that I need a headset with 40mm bearings. I'm at a loss. Jeff from Bike Island is saying the frame is 41mm, I wonder if mine is really smaller. Going back there tomorrow morning.

At this point, I just told them to build up my old bike again since I need it for Sunday's Century. Afterwards I'll have more time. This sucks, paid double to have the correct SRAM Force front dérailleur overnighted to me. Total waste of money now that I'm going back to the old frame for this weekend's tour.

This is what I get for not planning ahead. Had an entire month to go over the measurements.

My IS-2 bearings slipped in with little effort. The fork race is a tight fit (not split) and I will be seeking help from my LBS. There is a piece that IS split and resembles the fork race but according to the PDF manual on the Cane Creek web site it is the compression ring and goes above the top bearing.

I see some of you looking for seatpost clamps. It's the same as the Pedalforce RS's, right? If so, I've got a spare. I ordered one separately from my PF order, but then they ended up throwing one in the box for free. Uh, $10 plus shipping sound reasonable? PM me if you're interested.

Overnighted the SRAM Force front dérailleur but couldn't find a 30mm seat post clamp out of the 7-8 bike stores I visited today.

Jenson USA has several choices in 30mm seatpost clamps. I got the Salsa; comes in several color choices. They also have decent pricing on the IS-2.

They also have leather chain stay protectors. http://jensonusa.com/store/product/FR409Z01-Salsa+Chainstay+Protector.aspx

Yeah the pricing isn't bad. Unfortunately I might need to move away from that. Checking out the frame and headset in person tomorrow, I'm hoping they just didn't try forcing it in yet. Otherwise I might need to find a headset with 40mm bearings. This has become a total pain... I had a month to sort things out and I didn't. Though the collar is an easy fix, and I already bought another front derailleur. This headset issue though is stumping me since many have yoused the IS-2, IS-6 and IS-8.

Originally posted by cranky old road:

"My IS-2 bearings slipped in with little effort. The fork race is a tight fit (not split) and I will be seeking help from my LBS. There is a piece that IS split and resembles the fork race but according to the PDF manual on the Cane Creek web site it is the compression ring and goes above the top bearing."

I took my frame and fork to my LBS today to pick up the Cane Creek IS-2 headset. The bearings seem to slip fit in just fine. The mechanic there put the solid crown race on the fork in about 1 minute with his crown race installation tool. The other split ring is the compression ring that grips the fork when the pre-load bolt is snugged up to take out the slack before you tighten the stem bolts to hold it for real. I hope the post I read someplace about somebody putting the split ring on the bottom doesn't cause him a major problem down the road.

I have not permanently installed the bearings yet...too tired tonight and didn't want to screw up. Since I don't have a seat post clamp yet...I'm in no hurry. Besides, I'm still cleaning parts.

To dcdomain...just get an IS-2 regular, not for a Campy and I think you will be fine. I never saw any posts in the Pedal Force RS build thread say anything about the IS-2 or 6 or 8 not working, and there seemed to be a number of pictures with those headsets installed.

Luckily all the parts off my old bike are being re-cycled except for the headset (totally the wrong kind) and the seat post clamp. Putting on a new piece of rear der shifter cable, the loop down by the rear der, as the metal strands in it looked a little rusty, and will check out the brake and shifter cables during re-assembly.

Hey skiph, I have a regular IS-2, not the campy version. But I'm gonna go in tomorrow to see what's going on...

Hey skiph, I have a regular IS-2, not the campy version. But I'm gonna go in tomorrow to see what's going on...

IMHO you need to contact BD and ask for a frame with the headtube properly prepared, or find a bike store with the proper Cane Creek tool to prepare the headtube (also on their web page).

A quick heads up for anybody building up the BD frame....the 2 smaller allen screws holding the derailleur hanger to the right drop-out were not real tight on my frame.

They are 2.5mm allen wrench size and mine snugged up about 1/2 a turn.

The bigger one, a 3mm size was quite tight already.

so what is the general consensus on this frame...pretty good deal? and i would also appreciate it if anyone could take a few pictures..thanks in advance

LOOKS like it was a great deal to me. Still waiting for my seat post clamp and FD clamp, so I can't speak for the ride yet. It would have been nice if the seat post clamp had been included, since it's an unusual size.

so what is the general consensus on this frame...pretty good deal? and i would also appreciate it if anyone could take a few pictures..thanks in advance

I absolutely love mine! It's a nice, stiff frame. I've received several glowing comments. It rides fast; maybe a little of the faster pace is mental, but I think the stiffness of the frame and better crankset helps a lot. My latest TT pace over the same course was 0.8 mph faster than my previous best time (set about a month ago).

I am really, really happy with my new bike. Lots of parts were carried over from my Jamis Quest (steel frame). This one has a nice ride and I'm more comfortable on the longer rides than before.

http://lh5.google.com/wewilsonjr/RxaAdavBerI/AAAAAAAAACs/58FWDLz8YBI/s800/DSC_7761.jpg

I absolutely love mine! It's a nice, stiff frame. I've received several glowing comments. It rides fast; maybe a little of the faster pace is mental, but I think the stiffness of the frame and better crankset helps a lot. My latest TT pace over the same course was 0.8 mph faster than my previous best time (set about a month ago).

I am really, really happy with my new bike. Lots of parts were carried over from my Jamis Quest (steel frame). This one has a nice ride and I'm more comfortable on the longer rides than before.

http://lh5.google.com/wewilsonjr/RxaAdavBerI/AAAAAAAAACs/58FWDLz8YBI/s800/DSC_7761.jpg

wow that looks great!!!! wish i had the cash to buy this frame......:( think BD will accept a kidney as a trade??? ;)

Mike, a great deal on a wheelset and groupset for this frame maybe? ;)

Mike, a great deal on a wheelset and groupset for this frame maybe? ;)

That would be the le Champion SL or Serpens LTD complete bikes; best deal you can find on components/wheels/cockpit combo -- comers with a spare frame.

That would be the le Champion SL or Serpens LTD complete bikes; best deal you can find on components/wheels/cockpit combo -- comers with a spare frame.

agree, but i already have two bikes with the ritchey wcs protocol wheelset (one set on my merc, and another set on my pf qs2 that came from a moto)...

but if the moto came with a real nice ac wheelset and was extra special bf only priced..... ;)