View Full Version : Now For the Bottecchia CF Frame 'group buy'
cranky old road
10-21-07, 05:21 PM
Finally found my Photobucket password in the spam filter. Here's a shot of my bike. I've put 97 miles on it so far with no complaints. The frame feels quick and responsive. It's quieter and smoother than the Zonal aluminum. I'm not certain it will replace my steel Ron Cooper as my favorite. I'll shorten some cable housings and probably shorten the steerer soon.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u228/neulicht/PA210003.jpg
cranky old road
10-21-07, 05:23 PM
I'll try one with higher resolution...
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u228/neulicht/PA210002.jpg
cranky old road
10-21-07, 05:38 PM
This is a better shot. (I'll stop now!)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u228/neulicht/PA210001.jpg
was it ever found out for certain if this is the same frame as the pedal force rs but with a different weave?
was it ever found out for certain if this is the same frame as the pedal force rs but with a different weave?
Every measurement on this bike matches that of the Pedalforce RS. The weave seems to be the only visible difference. Mine sure rides nice! That's what really matters. :)
actel188
10-22-07, 01:44 PM
Here is the picture of my CF78. It was built up with mostly Ultegra and Ritchey components.
Very nice. Give us a ride report when you can.
I'm loving mine; nice and stiff on the hills and very comfortable on the longer rides. I'm quite happy.
Walter
joecool2727
10-22-07, 04:47 PM
I do believe these Bottecchia frames and the new Motobecane frames are the same, just with different decals:http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/images/centuryteam08_600.jpg (http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/images/centuryteam08_2100.jpg)http://i21.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a3/88/0c7c_12.JPG (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190163997948&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting)
Anybody agree? And also is there gonna be another group buy for these frames and if not how much are they?
I do believe these Bottecchia frames and the new Motobecane frames are the same, just with different decals:
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Anybody agree? And also is there gonna be another group buy for these frames and if not how much are they?
Possibly, but mine came delivered in the original box with Bottecchia written all over the outside of the box. If they are the same, they are packaged differently from the factory in Taiwan, not just labeled differently once they enter the US.
The frames (without fork) were $400 during the group buy, now $450 I think. The weblinks from the first post in this thread were still linked a few days ago. That price included shipping.
Every measurement on this bike matches that of the Pedalforce RS. The weave seems to be the only visible difference. Mine sure rides nice! That's what really matters. :)
They are ~.4 lbs heavier, and have different fibers besides the cosmetic outer weave... so it is a lower end frame, made from the same mold. Might be more durable though.
They are ~.4 lbs heavier, and have different fibers besides the cosmetic outer weave... so it is a lower end frame, made from the same mold. Might be more durable though.
Granted, that may be the case. I've just not seen enough "real" data versus the claimed weights to be sure. Either way, I'm very happy with mine. It's a much better ride now than what I had before.
I was doing some interval training this morning, and clocked new times that I had not thought possible before on the hilly part of my morning route. Hills are a blast on this bike! The frame and cranks I had before had more flex; the stiffer ride makes the hills a lot more fun.
actel188
10-24-07, 06:40 PM
Very nice. Give us a ride report when you can.
I'm loving mine; nice and stiff on the hills and very comfortable on the longer rides. I'm quite happy.
Walter
Thanks! Due to the fire in Southern Cal, I still don't have a chance to ride it yet. I am hoping that it will ride better than my old bike which is a Al frame with carbon seat stay.
JimmyMack
10-26-07, 12:22 PM
My frame arrived today. :) The packing is very good. All portions of the frame are well supported. I dig that.
Pulling it out of the box, the frame looks great upon first inspection. The weave pattern looks great, and the lack of decals is exciting. I have no parts for it right now, and will spend some time really thinking about what to hang on it. It's cross season right now, so the current roadie will do fine.
This is a real deal! Can't wait to build and ride.
Some bikesdirect.com stickers would be pretty cool. This was mentioned before, just wanted go +1 on that notion.
http://lh4.google.com/velocommunity/RyYWpxr6KLI/AAAAAAAACzo/c7Kw4ad2aZQ/DSC_0013.JPG?imgmax=512
http://lh5.google.com/velocommunity/RyYWqBr6KMI/AAAAAAAACzw/Yn22k5NYOQc/DSC_0016.JPG?imgmax=512
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x247/Skip_H/adv-cf-wf8.jpg
This will be built up with parts taken from a Trek 1000 (quit laughing....I put 5500 miles on it in 15 months...then upgraded, see next paragraph).
It will be my 'rain bike' to save wear and tear on a new '07 Trek Pilot 5.2. (Another 1070+ miles on it since August 31st).
Since it's about to start raining here for the next week or so, I should have time to work on it.
I'll post pictures when it is a real bike.
OK, finally got the bike build finished and on the road today, about a 36 miler. Beautiful day on the central Oregon coast...cold overnight, some frost in places, but warmed up nicely by about 10:30/11AM.
Rode into town to meet a fellow rider and we head out on our usual 25+ route (farther for me as I have to ride to the 'start'). Bit of a headwind heading up our local river, then a tailwind on the return, but then a headwind (now cooler) for me to get back home, but only about 3.5 miles worth.
As mentioned above, the parts were taken from a Trek 1000 (for now), so it isn't the worlds lightest build, but it rides much better than the aluminum T-1000, but not quite as smooth as the Pilot. It is very straight line stable (more so than the Pilot!) but will still turn nicely. Had it up to 40+ on a local hill already, and it was rock steady.
Picture:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x247/Skip_H/PICT0018.jpg
The yellow water bottle cage will be going away, for a nice pair of black Bontrager cages. The stem might get "flipped" later, or a slightly shorter flatter one put on. The headset spacers might get shorter also, but I started it out high for the time being. It's easy to go down, much harder to go higher.
I'm already shopping for componet upgrades for next spring...
Sorry for the shadows in the picture...but there was this strange thing lighting up the sky today. I'll wait for our usual cloudy, drizzly day to try again.
RoadToad
10-30-07, 05:49 PM
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x247/Skip_H/PICT0018.jpg
I think it looks great, man! The important thing is that you ride the heck out of it... :)
cranky old road
11-10-07, 05:44 PM
Everyone else still pleased with their frames? I know I am at around 450 miles. It's a smooth well handling ride. Mike gives some great deals to generate buzz. I thought I'd buzz a bit longer and make it worth his while. (Am i shillin'?)
Everyone else still pleased with their frames? I know I am at around 450 miles. It's a smooth well handling ride. Mike gives some great deals to generate buzz. I thought I'd buzz a bit longer and make it worth his while. (Am i shillin'?)
I have about 600 miles on mine, and it's a fabulous ride. Just finished my first century this past weekend. I was comfortable for the whole ride, and had a lot left to give. My riding partner slowed (a slight bonk), so I didn't get to push it much. But I stayed very comfortable all day.
Walter
Additional comments to post #165:
Since then, I've put 350 miles on the build.
Ride wise, if my Trek Pilot 5.2 ride smoothness is a "10", the ADK frame is about an 8 or 8.5. The Trek 1000 (aluminum frame, carbon fork) was about a 4. The difference on broken pavement or very rough pavement surfaces is very pronounced. Many of our main local road here suffer from asphalt wash-out...that is the ashphalt disolves away from the rocks in it, resulting in a surface that looks like loose gravel in places, but is really just the rocks sticking out of the asphalt base. Other places it is cracked into paving block size chunks. The Pilot is very smooth over these surfaces, the BD/ADK frame is real close. The Trek 1000 bounced me all over the place. Both CF frames make going over rail road tracks almost a pleasure.
Handling wise, the ADK frame is very straight-line stable, not at all 'twitchy', and is stable at up to 50mph (on a very steep local hill). Hands off at any speed above about 6-8mph is no problem. It seems to handle corners well, but I don't race or take 90 degree corners at high speed so I can't speak to how it might be for a crit bike. However, we have some very short twisty downhill roads (1/2 mile or so) and it does fine on those as fast as I want to go (on dry pavement).
I did get the stem "flipped" and lowered some since the original picture, and the black bottle cages on it.
All-in-all, it's making a very good 'rain' bike, and I already have almost all the components I need to upgrade the drive-train to 9 speed except some brifters...they are the most costly parts. I'll probably do that in the spring, using the 8 speed stuff for the winter.
So...
The Bottecchia bikes sold on ebay wouldn't be a bad deal at all considering $1,650 price AND 90% Shimano Dura-Ace groupset.
I sure am loving mine. 507 miles and 12,590 feet of climbing since I bought mine. I think I'm going to buy another one and build it up as a pure climbing bike... it's very comfortable. More so than my '08 Trek Madone 5.5 and argiably just as confortable as my old Project One Trek Pilot 5.2.
Your frame build ups look great! Enjoy!
jamesxie
11-15-07, 01:27 AM
Hello all
This is new comer, James, from China. I think I could help you on painting frames with your own design (image). I have been working on painting tech for 8 years. If someone want to re-paint his/her frame, maybe i could give a solution.
Of cause, Free.
jamesxie
11-15-07, 01:29 AM
Hello all
This is new comer, James, from China. I think I could help you on painting frames with your own design (image). I have been working on painting tech for 8 years. If someone want to re-paint his/her frame, maybe i could give a solution.
Of cause, Free.
jamesxie
11-15-07, 01:33 AM
For the decals, there are many types of decal, you could choose and use mask for repainting.
jamesxie
11-15-07, 01:39 AM
JimmyMack
For your bike, I think you could select and design your own decal with some pictures or photoes or artworks. Just send me and I will orgnize them for you of cause free because I want to join this discussing panel.
James
dcdomain
11-18-07, 01:19 PM
Here's mine... finally (50cm).
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2115/2043597901_c663bf828b_o.jpg
Motobecane LeChampion SRAM Force SL 52cm transplant:
Fork: Aero Kinesis SL (FC440) High Modulus Carbon Fiber with Carbon Steerer 1.125 inch
Derailleurs: SRAM Force 10 Speed front and rear (had to replace front derailleur, different clamp size)
Shifters: SRAM Force 10 Speed DoubleTap
Brakes: SRAM Force Al/Ti Calipers
Hubs: Ritchey WCS Protocol Sealed Precision Bearing
Rims: Ritchey WCS Protocol Black Anodized Aero rim with Bladed spokes
Crank: SRAM Force Compact Carbon Fiber for 10 Speed 50/34T PowerGlide Rings
Bottom Bracket: SRAM Force GXP Team External Bearing Cartridge with Hollow Spindle
Cassette/chain: 2007 Shimano Ultegra 6600 10 Speed 12-25T / SRAM 10speed chain
Saddle: Specialized Toupe
Seatpost: Ritchey WCS Road 280x27.2
Stem: Ritchey WCS OS 31.8 clamp 1.125 inch steerer
Headset: Cane Creek IS2 (had to replace with the same model but different bearing size)
Handlebars: Ritchey WCS OS Butted Aluminum Bar
Pedals: Look Keo Classic
Tires: Kenda Kaliente IronCloak Kevlar 700x23c
^^^^
Info??
Size...Components, etc?
jamesxie
11-19-07, 02:47 AM
First of all, I am sorry to Bikedirect .com. For the price I don't think it would cause so much. Only frame is about 350USD, with fork is 380USD, Frame+Fork+Stem=430USD, Frame+Fork+Stem+Handbar=500USD. This is the current market price.
For self design decal (photoes; picture you choose), it is 152USD for one model ( in 50set).
Last, Please don't close my file. I just join this discussing.
roy harley
11-19-07, 11:08 AM
Here's mine... finally.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2115/2043597901_c663bf828b_o.jpg
How do you like the Ritchey Wheels?
nice bike!
dcdomain
11-19-07, 11:27 AM
Edited just for you skiph.
roy harley, the wheels are great. Accidentally took on some small potholes a few times and the wheels are holding up well.
will be putting my 53 cm frame/fork on ebay shortly... never used, no hardware ever mounted, just taken out of the box and fondled a little... have all original packing and decals, etc.
reason for sale: decided not to do this build...
Link to For Sale Thread. (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=365819)
juicemansam
12-02-07, 10:34 AM
What seat clamp sizes were used on this frame (or the RS)?
What seat clamp sizes were used on this frame (or the RS)?
27.2 mm
juicemansam
12-02-07, 11:06 AM
27.2 mm
Isn't that the seat post diameter? I only see 28.6, 31.8, and 34.9mm, when choosing the size of a seat clamp. If the sizes are meant to be flush with the seat tube, I assume a 34.9mm would be required for this particular frame, right? But I want to be sure.
Posted by juicemansam:
"Isn't that the seat post diameter? I only see 28.6, 31.8, and 34.9mm, when choosing the size of a seat clamp. If the sizes are meant to be flush with the seat tube, I assume a 34.9mm would be required for this particular frame, right? But I want to be sure."
Seat POST is a 27.2mm
Seat post CLAMP is a 30.0mm
There is an aluminum 'shim' inside the seat tube that the seat post fits in. It sticks about 1/2" above the actual seat tube. See the picture:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x247/Skip_H/adv-cf-wf3.jpg
So the clamp is clamping the aluminum shim to the seat post.
You will not be clamping on the carbon fiber seat tube
JimmyMack
12-02-07, 08:03 PM
Finished my build earlier this evening, and went for a the maiden voyage. New chains are the best. Rode some super quite roads so I could listen to the tires hum. For the small parts get a 34.9 braze on a adapter and a 30.0mm Salsa Lip Lock seat post clamp. Thanks again bikes direct on the super cool frame deal.
http://lh6.google.com/velocommunity/R1Nwc7NH7MI/AAAAAAAADAc/6lnb6voeP6M/DSC_0012.JPG?imgmax=512
http://lh4.google.com/velocommunity/R1NwebNH7NI/AAAAAAAADAk/es_jiNKwck4/DSC_0016-2.JPG?imgmax=512
These pictures of many of the built up Bottechias look great. I have in my notes from this offering that the frames come in around 2.6 pounds (53cm), but I don't have any weight for the forks. Since BTD is making the offering again on the Christmas specials and I considering going for it this time, does anyone have the rough weights for the frame and fork put together? I am sure it is buried in this thread somewhere, but I don't want to read the whole thing again. Thanks!!
That looks really nice. Congrats! :)
Here's mine... finally (50cm).
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2115/2043597901_c663bf828b_o.jpg
Motobecane LeChampion SRAM Force SL 52cm transplant:
Fork: Aero Kinesis SL (FC440) High Modulus Carbon Fiber with Carbon Steerer 1.125 inch
Derailleurs: SRAM Force 10 Speed front and rear (had to replace front derailleur, different clamp size)
Shifters: SRAM Force 10 Speed DoubleTap
Brakes: SRAM Force Al/Ti Calipers
Hubs: Ritchey WCS Protocol Sealed Precision Bearing
Rims: Ritchey WCS Protocol Black Anodized Aero rim with Bladed spokes
Crank: SRAM Force Compact Carbon Fiber for 10 Speed 50/34T PowerGlide Rings
Bottom Bracket: SRAM Force GXP Team External Bearing Cartridge with Hollow Spindle
Cassette/chain: 2007 Shimano Ultegra 6600 10 Speed 12-25T / SRAM 10speed chain
Saddle: Specialized Toupe
Seatpost: Ritchey WCS Road 280x27.2
Stem: Ritchey WCS OS 31.8 clamp 1.125 inch steerer
Headset: Cane Creek IS2 (had to replace with the same model but different bearing size)
Handlebars: Ritchey WCS OS Butted Aluminum Bar
Pedals: Look Keo Classic
Tires: Kenda Kaliente IronCloak Kevlar 700x23c
These pictures of many of the built up Bottechias look great. I have in my notes from this offering that the frames come in around 2.6 pounds (53cm), but I don't have any weight for the forks. Since BTD is making the offering again on the Christmas specials and I considering going for it this time, does anyone have the rough weights for the frame and fork put together? I am sure it is buried in this thread somewhere, but I don't want to read the whole thing again. Thanks!!
I never got a chance to weigh the frame but the forks are pretty hefty at 570 grams. I'm about to change mine out and then I'm done with my build. I'm at 15.035 pounds as it sits with heavy fork (the pic doesn't have the Dura-Ace FC-7800 crankset installed at that time). I'll change out the current pics with the Dura-Ace cranks tommorow (I need to buy some AA batteries for my digital camera!) :lol:
I never got a chance to weigh the frame but the forks are pretty hefty at 570 grams. I'm about to change mine out and then I'm done with my build. I'm at 15.035 pounds as it sits with heavy fork (the pic doesn't have the Dura-Ace FC-7800 crankset installed at that time). I'll change out the current pics with the Dura-Ace cranks tommorow (I need to buy some AA batteries for my digital camera!) :lol:
Wow. That is really a nice looking build there!:) Surely you aren't at 15.035 lbs including the pedals, are you?
For the small parts get a 34.9 braze on a adapter and a 30.0mm Salsa Lip Lock seat post clamp.
Where'd you guys buy the 34.9 adapter at and about how much are they?
Where'd you guys buy the 34.9 adapter at and about how much are they?
Any half-decent LBS can order it. Performance and Nashbar both have them . Lat I checked Performance had both a Shimano and a Campagnolo version for $14 or so. I've seen them as cheap as $7-8, though. You'll probably see them in some places labeled in English instead of Metric, i.e., the 34.9 mm will be labeled as 1 3/8 ". They're equivalent.
Has anyone had any problems with the 30mm Salsa Liplock seat post clamp? JayC said his didn't fit on the latest GB. But I've read it being suggested/used by several others. Just want to know if his was a fluke or not because I ordered one already.
Thanks!
Just a follow up and bump...
I installed the Salsa Liplock and so far everything is fine. I've only ridden it a couple times in front of the house but it seems to be holding up well.
So I'll keep using it unless it starts to slip on me. Hopefully JayC gets his problem solved so he can enjoy his bike.
Now I just need to find a 10spd cassette... I'm using a 9spd for now, hence my limited riding.
JimmyMack
01-21-08, 10:39 AM
No problem with the liplock.
steelblue
01-21-08, 11:21 AM
Just a follow up and bump...
I installed the Salsa Liplock and so far everything is fine. I've only ridden it a couple times in front of the house but it seems to be holding up well.
So I'll keep using it unless it starts to slip on me. Hopefully JayC gets his problem solved so he can enjoy his bike.
Now I just need to find a 10spd cassette... I'm using a 9spd for now, hence my limited riding.
PICTURES!! WE WANT PICTURES.
Toxanadu
02-05-08, 02:09 PM
Off Topic: I have a brand new 50cm frame and fork for sale. I ended up not building up this frame. comes with seatpost clamp. PM or E-mail me (toxanadu@gmail.com).
ok, need some help here.
I got some KCNC brakes and the front nut is not iftting right. It's 35mm long.
Can someone confirm the lrngth of the nut they are using on their fork?
Thanks
figgskzoo
03-23-08, 06:51 PM
Anybody know if BD-Mike still has any of these left? Thanks!
Anybody know if BD-Mike still has any of these left? Thanks!
It looks like they might, according to their website. Now you've piqued my curiosity!
How are people liking these frames?
Anybody know if BD-Mike still has any of these left? Thanks!
They're still carrying them on Ebay and on bikeisland...albeit at a higher price than the group buy.
I'm liking mine quite a bit. :)
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