EbikeHawaii
08-30-07, 09:31 PM
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Ornery
08-31-07, 06:13 PM
All E-bikes are mopeds. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped#Etymology)
AllenG
08-31-07, 06:33 PM
This was posted in Commuting, I would say it walks the line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8176C-2JdQ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8176C-2JdQ8
Robert C
08-31-07, 07:47 PM
All E-bikes are mopeds. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped#Etymology)
First, please understand that I am in Mainland China; as such, I can not view wikipedia (except for occasional days that the Great Firewall is having problems). That said, wikipedia is not a legal reference and Moped is a legal term. It has been my experience that most things that are referred to as mopeds, in The States, are not mopeds at all.
I have posted the relevant amendment to statute several times and I am not going to bother posting it here. It is in the other thread with the exact same title. Hopefully the mods will create and sticky a thread just for e-bile statutes so that we do not continue to have this same theme once every couple of weeks.
Just to help you, this is a picture of a moped.
http://lh3.google.com/crawford.robert/Rs6PD6TheII/AAAAAAAAAt0/qOqmMTXCJm4/s144/DSCF7728.JPG
this is a picture of an ebike
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/Zeuser/Electric%20Bike/IMG_0207.jpg
[lifted from a post by Zeuser]
One can have a petrol engine, no e-bike has a petrol engine.
One can operate, as designed and sold, at speeds greater than 20mph without pedal input. No e-bike, can operate, as designed and sold, at speeds greater than 20mph without pedal input.
One is subject to the rules that apply to mopeds, one is subject to the rules that apply to e-bikes.
No matter what a drunken middle school student typed into Wikipedia whilst partying with his, or her, buds', wikipedia can not be relied on as a final source of information. I recommend that you look at the applicable statutes for your state or province.
First, please understand that I am in Mainland China; as such, I can not view wikipedia (except for occasional days that the Great Firewall is having problems). That said, wikipedia is not a legal reference and Moped is a legal term. It has been my experience that most things that are referred to as mopeds, in The States, are not mopeds at all.
I have posted the relevant amendment to statute several times and I am not going to bother posting it here. It is in the other thread with the exact same title. Hopefully the mods will create and sticky a thread just for e-bile statutes so that we do not continue to have this same theme once every couple of weeks.
Just to help you, this is a picture of a moped.
http://lh3.google.com/crawford.robert/Rs6PD6TheII/AAAAAAAAAt0/qOqmMTXCJm4/s144/DSCF7728.JPG
this is a picture of an ebike
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/Zeuser/Electric%20Bike/IMG_0207.jpg
[lifted from a post by Zeuser]
One can have a petrol engine, no e-bike has a petrol engine.
One can operate, as designed and sold, at speeds greater than 20mph without pedal input. No e-bike, can operate, as designed and sold, at speeds greater than 20mph without pedal input.
One is subject to the rules that apply to mopeds, one is subject to the rules that apply to e-bikes.
No matter what a drunken middle school student typed into Wikipedia whilst partying with his, or her, buds', wikipedia can not be relied on as a final source of information. I recommend that you look at the applicable statutes for your state or province.
Ornery
08-31-07, 09:15 PM
Etymology (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Moped)
Blend of motor and pedal. Coined in 1952 by a Swedish motor journalist in the magazine “Motor”.
moped (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Moped)
1. A lightweight, two-wheeled vehicle equipped with a small motor and pedals, designed to go no faster than some specified speed limit.
MO (motor) + PED (pedals) Seems simple enough, or did I misunderstand the question?
BTW, I also consider an E-Bike to be a Motor Vehicle (http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+Motor+vehicle&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8), which some people may not. State laws further refine the definitions of each type of vehicle, but the general categories are based on the word's roots.
Blend of motor and pedal. Coined in 1952 by a Swedish motor journalist in the magazine “Motor”.
moped (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Moped)
1. A lightweight, two-wheeled vehicle equipped with a small motor and pedals, designed to go no faster than some specified speed limit.
MO (motor) + PED (pedals) Seems simple enough, or did I misunderstand the question?
BTW, I also consider an E-Bike to be a Motor Vehicle (http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+Motor+vehicle&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8), which some people may not. State laws further refine the definitions of each type of vehicle, but the general categories are based on the word's roots.
karma
08-31-07, 09:17 PM
When do es a ebike become a moped
when i get my hands on it
when i get my hands on it
Robert C
08-31-07, 10:06 PM
Seems simple enough, or did I misunderstand the question?
No, it is simple, you are an obvious troll. You are trying to insert wikipedia definitions in the place of clear, legal, definitions as defined by the various states are provided. It is those legal definitions that a vehicle must comply with , not some vague wikipedia definitions.
Here you are with the Oregon Definitions
(ORS 801.348)
A moped:
* is designed to be operated on the ground upon wheels;
* has a seat or saddle for use of the rider;
* is designed to travel with not more than three wheels in contact with the ground;
* is equipped with an independent power source that is capable of propelling the vehicle, unassisted, at a speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on a level road surface; and if the power source is a combustion engine, has a piston or rotor displacement of 35.01 to 50 cubic centimeters regardless of the number of chambers in the power source; and
* is equipped with a power drive system that functions directly or automatically only and does not require clutching or shifting by the operator after the system is engaged.
A bicycle equipped with a power source may be classed as a moped if it meets all the moped requirements and also does not meet either the definition of an electric assisted bicycle as defined in ORS 801.258 or a motor assisted scooter as defined in ORS 801.348.
(ORS 801.345)
An electric assisted bicycle:
* is designed to be operated on the ground on wheels;
* has a seat or saddle for use of the rider;
* is designed to travel with not more than three wheels in contact with the ground;
* has both fully operative pedals for human propulsion and an electric motor; and
* is equipped with an electric motor that has a power output of not more than 1,000 watts and is incapable of propelling the vehicle at a speed of greater than 20 miles per hour on level ground.
(ORS 801.258)
An electric personal mobility device:
* is self-balancing on two nontandem wheels;
* is designed to transport one standing person;
* has an electric motor; and
* has a maximum speed of 15 miles per hour.
(ORS 801.259)
http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/vehicle/pocketbike_factsheet.shtml
Go do your own research for Ohio; but please, do not waste peoples time with wikipedia's definitions. Get the real definitions.
No, it is simple, you are an obvious troll. You are trying to insert wikipedia definitions in the place of clear, legal, definitions as defined by the various states are provided. It is those legal definitions that a vehicle must comply with , not some vague wikipedia definitions.
Here you are with the Oregon Definitions
(ORS 801.348)
A moped:
* is designed to be operated on the ground upon wheels;
* has a seat or saddle for use of the rider;
* is designed to travel with not more than three wheels in contact with the ground;
* is equipped with an independent power source that is capable of propelling the vehicle, unassisted, at a speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on a level road surface; and if the power source is a combustion engine, has a piston or rotor displacement of 35.01 to 50 cubic centimeters regardless of the number of chambers in the power source; and
* is equipped with a power drive system that functions directly or automatically only and does not require clutching or shifting by the operator after the system is engaged.
A bicycle equipped with a power source may be classed as a moped if it meets all the moped requirements and also does not meet either the definition of an electric assisted bicycle as defined in ORS 801.258 or a motor assisted scooter as defined in ORS 801.348.
(ORS 801.345)
An electric assisted bicycle:
* is designed to be operated on the ground on wheels;
* has a seat or saddle for use of the rider;
* is designed to travel with not more than three wheels in contact with the ground;
* has both fully operative pedals for human propulsion and an electric motor; and
* is equipped with an electric motor that has a power output of not more than 1,000 watts and is incapable of propelling the vehicle at a speed of greater than 20 miles per hour on level ground.
(ORS 801.258)
An electric personal mobility device:
* is self-balancing on two nontandem wheels;
* is designed to transport one standing person;
* has an electric motor; and
* has a maximum speed of 15 miles per hour.
(ORS 801.259)
http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/vehicle/pocketbike_factsheet.shtml
Go do your own research for Ohio; but please, do not waste peoples time with wikipedia's definitions. Get the real definitions.
Ornery
08-31-07, 10:41 PM
It is those legal definitions that a vehicle must comply with...
Funny, I didn't see that requirement in the original post!
Funny, I didn't see that requirement in the original post!
Robert C
08-31-07, 10:44 PM
The law defines a moped, the law varies by state or Province. Consult an attorney, not wikipedia, if you are concerned that you may be out of compliance.
Ornery
08-31-07, 11:02 PM
Just exactly who do you feel has that concern? Me? The Original Poster? You? Who?
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