Cyclocross Racing - first race

Have my first cross race tomorrow... a little worried about what to expect-other than getting worked over. I wanted to ask about tire pressure- I have vittoria evo xg's. the course, I suspect will be flat, grassy, no mud unless they make it as it hasn't rained in ages.
and if anyone has any pointers, helpful bits for me- that'd be cool..

40-50 psi ought to be fine.

With all that adrenalin and nervousness, there's a great temptation to hit that first lap really fast. Don't.

Don't remount on an upgrade. Portage or push to the top and then remount.

Unless the ground is really smooth, it's usually better to shoulder than to push. Suitcase only for barriers and really short sections.

There's always a point in the race--usually in the second-to-last lap--where I think to myself, Why the F did I ever think this was a good idea? It's temporary.

Have my first cross race tomorrow... a little worried about what to expect-other than getting worked over. I wanted to ask about tire pressure- I have vittoria evo xg's. the course, I suspect will be flat, grassy, no mud unless they make it as it hasn't rained in ages.
and if anyone has any pointers, helpful bits for me- that'd be cool..


How did it go??

Didn't happen for me. And I'm kinda bummed. I had snapped my masterlink off riding up a grade to the registration booth. I asked a few people if they could help but no one could.. became a spectator really damn fast.
have a motorcycle race this weekend then back for attempt number 2 on the next weekend...

Looked like fun though.. the run up was a grandstand...crazy stairs..ughhh.

^^ Bummer. Bad luck.

I find in the Pro/1/2 races that it's balls to the wall right off the bat. So I would advise you to kill the first lap. Typically it's a mad dash the the 'hole shot' which is where your open start lane gets closed off into say woods or something. Lots of times there will be a pile up there and you don't want to be behind that. The first guy through has a tremendous advantage.

^^ Bummer. Bad luck.

I find in the Pro/1/2 races that it's balls to the wall right off the bat. So I would advise you to kill the first lap. Typically it's a mad dash the the 'hole shot' which is where your open start lane gets closed off into say woods or something. Lots of times there will be a pile up there and you don't want to be behind that. The first guy through has a tremendous advantage.

I totally agree. Your start postition and that whole shot is a huge factor. learned that last season the hard way and have applied it to mountain bike racing this season and it has made a HUGE difference. Start up front and stay up front

I try to think of the start as the first 1/3 of the race.

Dudes, it's this guy's first race.

Dudes, it's this guy's first race.

:D

I wish someone told me the importance of the start earlier in my first season!

I wish someone told me the importance of the start earlier in my first season!If you look at lap times for a typical cat 3/4 race, you'll see most (i.e. nearly all) guys getting slower, not just between laps one and two but throughout the race. In other words, most guys start too fast for their level of fitness. Period. It's tempting to overemphasize the tactical aspects of racing.

Actually some of the UCI races I did years past that had radio leg bands that recorded lap times followed a typical pattern where the first few laps were blistering fast then in the middle of the race they slowed down and the last 3 laps or so went right back up again. Another advantage to the fast start is psychologically crushing the competition and leaving the riff raff behind.

Your right though, being the first race just go out and have fun and check it out. My very first race I came in second place.

Second to last that is :D

Actually some of the UCI races I did years past that had radio leg bands that recorded lap times followed a typical pattern where the first few laps were blistering fast then in the middle of the race they slowed down and the last 3 laps or so went right back up again. Another advantage to the fast start is psychologically crushing the competition and leaving the riff raff behind.Do you think you wouldn't have placed higher if your lap times had been more consistent?

Obviously, tactics are important at the front of the pack, because fitness levels are very similar. But the (inevitable, statistical) reality is that most racers have folk both in front and behind them throughout the race.

Do you think you wouldn't have placed higher if your lap times had been more consistent?

Obviously, tactics are important at the front of the pack, because fitness levels are very similar. But the (inevitable, statistical) reality is that most racers have folk both in front and behind them throughout the race.

It's hard to say. It does seem like consistency would be better. You hear a lot of people compare a cross race to a TT. And I can see what they are saying in that it starts fast and ends fast but maintaining a certain threshold is crucial. I think lap times run like that because eventually you often times end up alone on the course and settle in. Then towards the end you may start thinking you can catch the next guy.

I'd wager though that the better cross racers are more consistent but they still will start and end fast.

I'm not an expert on sports physiology, but everything I've heard/read is that steady-state is the most efficient use of resources. Obviously it's a rougher equation for cyclocross than for a time trial, but I think lap times shouldn't wildly vary.

I'd be interested to see lap times for the elite guys in Superprestige and World Cup series. I wonder if they, sort of by common consent, take it a bit easy in the middle laps because they know they have a race the next day or whatever, and save the real serious effort for races like world or Belgian championships.

I think that the importance of the start depends on the size of the field. The larger the field the more important the start is.

If you were out on the course by yourself then it would be fastest to do consistent lap times. But in 'cross it is often better to be out front and have clean lines through the tougher parts of the course. Somebody crashing in front of you in a tricky section can cost you a lot of time.

Did the Robertson Park race. It was nice and hot (~90F) when I got done. The standard part of this course is the bleacher runup then the long drag on the backside. But, the promoter made the backside part longer by several sections that serpentine back and forth across the area. Also, adding the sand pit was a new wrinkle.
Usually we don't race on this course, until Dec. when the ground is wet, muddy and cold.

I have no doubt that lap times go down as the race goes on in many races. I'd much rather be out front getting slower and making people pass me, rather than starting conservatively off the back and having to pass the field as they slow down. Just my .02

I totally agree. Your start postition and that whole shot is a huge factor. learned that last season the hard way and have applied it to mountain bike racing this season and it has made a HUGE difference. Start up front and stay up front

+1,000

EVERYONE hurts by the mid-point of a cx race. Do you want to hurt at the front or the back?

If your local series publishes lap times, take a look at them. You will almost surely notice a trend: the top finishers--in each category--tend to have very consistent lap times. And as you go down the list, you see more and more slowing. Mr Twentythird started the race with a snappy 7:00 lap so he could then . . . finish with an 8:30 lap. And probably averaged an 8:00 pace overall. You can decide whether that first minute-fast lap was worth it for him.

Yes, I've definitely seen what you are referring to -- but what you can never see from the lap times is the guy that started easy hoping to finish strong that couldn't make anything happen after the first couple of laps because he was trapped behind groups of slower guys. Don't get me wrong -- I definitely think it's possible to burn too many matches at the start and never recover -- done that too!

This raises an interesting question of race etiquette. Does one, finding his or herself behind a pileup at a barrier (i.e. slow runners flubbing the bike to run transition) just blow by them, potentially knocking someone over? Or is one compelled to attempt a pass afterward, when everyone is re-mounting or riding again?

I'm not advocating pushing someone over to get past them. but if sprinters head butt each other....

Just blow by them. Do your best not to step on anyone's head, but yeah...

Not going to start a new thread but my first cross race is in exactly one week. This thread is helpful. CX reminds me a lot of track and cross country (running, that is) with the emphasis on even lap times. Our coach was really big on that last year. I was horribly inconsistent.:D

So I don't really care how well I do the first race as I'm simply trying it out, but any tips on racing ettiquete would be greatly appreciated.

I still don't get the even laps thing. Just saying. I don't know much about running but I don't picture you bogged down behind half a dozen runners unable to pass for half a lap while running track? Get off first, hang tough, finish strong. Just my .02! Have fun.

I still don't get the even laps thing. Just saying. I don't know much about running but I don't picture you bogged down behind half a dozen runners unable to pass for half a lap while running track? Get off first, hang tough, finish strong. Just my .02! Have fun.It's getting a bit old, but I still want to dissect this a bit.

All else equal, a steady pace is the most efficient way to get from point A to point B. Pretty uncontroversial, that.

I'm curious what series you race that passing after the first lap is such a huge hassle. Perhaps it's a big hassle in a mtn bike race over singletrack, but cross?

It's inspiring when guys like Trebon or Nys lead from start to finish, and if you're that strong, God bless you. The rest of us have to be more strategic in how to spend our tank. [And if you actually are leading from start to finish, you're probably sandbagging and should cat up.]

Perhaps there is a fundamental misunderstanding: I am not suggesting you start the race at the very back. Get a snappy start, try to avoid pileups, but then find your pace and do your work. Let the rabbits do their thing, and say hello as you reel them in on the back half of the race.

Maybe it's different on the courses where you race. On many of the courses I'm racing I would say that a large portion of the course is more single-track than double-track. It's not that passing is impossible by any means, but the 30 seconds or a minute that I sometimes get caught behind traffic means that the guys off the front are steadily pulling away. Additionally, at bigger races, e.g. Gloucester MA, if you start mid-pack you are going to spend a lot of time bogged down in the scrum getting off the start road onto the field and a lot of time getting through traffic once there before you can get up to speed. In the mean time the guys that are on the front have put a TON of distance on much of the field. If you are competitive with those guys, then you are now going to have to burn serious matches to catch them while they just put out steady tempo. Maybe we're saying the same thing -- I'd rather be off quickly and settle in to my pace than be stuck behind half the field at the first barrier and then have to hammer to get up to where the race is.

Assuming you started early this year, what's everyones' first race report? This is my first cross season and I had heard that our Greater Cincinnati scene is one of the largest in the midwest, so I figured the Cs would be kinda competitive. Only 6 came out at the start and I was second for a majority of the race. The leader dropped out on the last lap with a wrecked wheel, so I was able to take the lead and keep it. Pretty exciting for my first race finish...ever. I figure the fields will get larger, especially as we come up to UCI weekend #1.

What's your experience with going from C to B? The B field was considerably larger than the C, and likely was more competitive. I'm wondering if I should just plug along in the Cs and possibly get better finishes or instead kill myself in the Bs with more experienced riders.

The B field was considerably larger than the C, and likely was more competitive. I'm wondering if I should just plug along in the Cs and possibly get better finishes or instead kill myself in the Bs with more experienced riders.It depends on what you want out of the experience. You'll improve more from racing the B race (or both).

I got the date wrong:o My first race wil be in a few weeks.

there is a race right outside of Cinci this weekend that I am coming down for.....oh so excited.

What's your experience with going from C to B?

In my experience, there's an exponential difference between classes. so if C's a 10, B's a 100, and A's 1000 (maybe not in B->A, but you get the idea)

Around here I would say that the difference between C and B is a lot smaller than the difference between B and A.

there is a race right outside of Cinci this weekend that I am coming down for.....oh so excited.

Sweet, I'll be there as well (Burlington, KY Cyclo Stampede). I just registered for the Bs and am really nervous that I'm going to get the **** kicked out of me!

well, say hello then! I am debating between As and Bs. Chicago uses cats 1-5 and I upgraded to 3 this year. I was looking at the registration and A is Cat 1/2/3 and B is Cat 3/4. Does this A/B/C buisness work the same as a mountain bike race where upgrade points are issued for you place within the category So if I place 14th overall but 3rd in of the 3's racing do I get 3rd place upgrade points or do I get none....either way
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I'm not sure how the upgrading works...I think it's far more lax than in road racing. I've been told by many people that you pick the category you think you fit into based upon your fitness and experience. Many organizers frown upon sandbagging, so I think they encourage you to challenge yourself by moving up. Since crashing is such a part of the sport, I don't think they worry about newbies jumping into the otherwise intimidating higher ranks and somehow ruining a race. Sure they don't want a definite C rider trying out the As just to see, but for me to come out and do well in the Cs hands down might put me in the B territory despite having done only one race. I'd say go with the Bs as that's the most moderate category and is chock full of roadie Cat 3s.

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