Southeast - Anyone have the cue sheet for THC 2007

I am looking for the cue sheet for this years Tarheel Century. I would like to plot out the course with BikeRouteToaster and then upload the course to my Edge. I can't seem to find it anywhere. I do not want to drive the 10 miles out to Waxhaw, then the 100 mile route, and finally the 10 miles home in order to plot the route. I emailed the Tarheel Cyclists but got no response.


Why is it that nearly all clubs think their route sheets are some top secret government files that must be protected against foreign interests until the morning of the ride! I had the same problem with other rides too. Is it too much to ask that the route be published before hand so that us 21st Century cyclists with tools like Garmin Edge's can take advantage of the course features and eschew the paper cue sheet?


I am more than willing to put the little time in to produce a .CRS file and share it with others, I have done the same already with the older route from Mint Hill and last years route from Marvin Elementary School. I also have all four of last years training rides for Mt Mitchell as .CRS files if anyone wants them.

I was sent the cue sheet this evening for the Tarheel Century. If anyone is interested in a Garmin course file for the 100 miler, let me know as I have already created one. The 30 and 60 miler are mapped out at MapMyRide.com. Here are the links:

2007 Tarheel Century - 60 mile ride (http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/nc/waxhaw/536624264)

2007 Tarheel Century - 30 mile ride (http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/nc/waxhaw/465218992)

If you want to add your own waypoints then use this link to the 100 miler also on MapMyRide

2007 Tarheel Century - 100 mile ride (http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/nc/waxhaw/87019127)

since they sent you the cue sheet, do you think you ought to remove your RANT?

(not a Tarheel club member)

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Q: Ever helped put on a ride, run, etc.? Try it some time. You might learn some things.

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Speak for yourself WW. If I know the route beforehand, it usually scares me, and I skip the ride!!!

since they sent you the cue sheet, do you think you ought to remove your RANT?

(not a Tarheel club member)

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Q: Ever helped put on a ride, run, etc.? Try it some time. You might learn some things.

Like not sharing ahead of time?;)

The rant still applies, you have to ask, sometimes many times before organizers will let you see a cue sheet ahead of time. I de-emphasized the rant in the OP. It was not directed specifically at Tarheel Cyclists, but in fact at nearly all club sponsored rides. Take a lesson from huge events like the Grand Tours, they announce their routes months in advance so that riders can get a feel for what they are going to be doing. Other very large charity events do the same. The MS150 in our area announces the routes beforehand and because they did I will still donate but not participate in the actual ride.

Happens to be that this years ride is basically the same route as last years with the exception of the starting location. There are so many other roads they could have chosen near the end, I wished they had extended the ride in the middle instead of adding what is essentially an out and back loop toward Marvin at the end.

It certainly is not that difficult a ride with really only one semi-difficult climb at mile 75. Not a long climb but a little steep near the top (Walkup Rd).

serotta, I did not want the route to practice it beforehand, I wanted it to eliminate the paper cue sheet. The Edge does a much better job and doesn't get wet and stick together like a folded up piece of paper in you jersey pocket.

skiffrun, I have organized and volunteered in the past on many cycling events. I have the same complaint about nearly all of them. It is just impossible for some people to realize that there are legitimate reasons someone might have for knowing the route in advance. I do appreciate what they do and can relate because I have been there done that!

Like not sharing ahead of time?;)

NO. Like maybe these things are put on by volunteers, with lives, who are shoe-horning an extra gift to others into their lives. Like maybe state or local DOT will make the planned route unuseable at the last moment by suddently starting unexpected road destruction. Like maybe an automobile driver will take a bridge / road out of use. Like maybe that pleasant wooded section suddenly has destruction vehicles dropping crap all over all over a planned road. Like ...

Like ...
Not wanting to have to read about how their route choice could have been better if...

However, I do like to see the routes posted in advance too, if possible.

NO. Like maybe these things are put on by volunteers, with lives, who are shoe-horning an extra gift to others into their lives. Like maybe state or local DOT will make the planned route unuseable at the last moment by suddently starting unexpected road destruction. Like maybe an automobile driver will take a bridge / road out of use. Like maybe that pleasant wooded section suddenly has destruction vehicles dropping crap all over all over a planned road. Like ...

You are absolutely right! The "Chicken Little syndrome" is always possible. My apologies for not having the foresight to realize all the pitfalls that could possibly arise from publishing a route a few days or weeks ahead.:rolleyes:

This wasn't supposed to turn into a raging debate. It is just a point of view. Just as an FYI, most of these routes are not generated by looking at a map and saying to yourself, 'This looks like a good road.' they are driven, by car, the turns are marked with paint, the route is written down. Then once they return home or to their office they use some sort of mapping program, a word processor, or in this case excel to list the route. It only takes a few seconds out of their lives to 'shoe-horn' in a link on the website to the route sheet.

As a matter of fact, I want to commend Dwight (Tarheel president) for putting up a link to the 30 and 60 mile routes on the Tarheel website shortly after I sent them to him.

I am currently working with some members of the Bee Team to computerize their regular routes and one time events. You know what? They don't seem to have a problem giving out the route information ahead of time.

With regard to this past Saturday's ride, even though I knew the route beforehand, there were still some sections that I had never been on before (mostly in the first 15 miles). Since I had ridden every other road beforehand, I knew what to expect and I could plan accordingly. I was able to reach a personal milestone only attainable with preparation in advance, a sub-6 hour Century including stops! If I had to wait until the morning of the ride to know what the route was I would never have been able to prepare as fully, as I didn't make it by much, just 7 minutes to spare.

serotta, that comment was funny :lol:

... most of these routes ... are driven, by car, ... It only takes a few seconds out of their lives to 'shoe-horn' in a link on the website to the route sheet.

... 30 and 60 mile routes ... You must have a really fast car! Only a few seconds to drive 30, 60, or more miles and cue sheet it! WOW!

You must have a really fast car! Only a few seconds to drive 30, 60, or more miles and cue sheet it! WOW!

Apparently you did not do well in reading comprehension, what I plainly said that adding a link might take an additional 30 seconds.

You strike me as the kind of person who, if you were not a cyclist, would be enraged by anyone else on the road that might cost you a second or two on your way to Starbucks!

It doesn't really matter to me one way or another, I got the cue sheet, I was able to map it out electronically, I was able to share it with others.

my point was that the whole thing is more than a few seconds.

I know your few seconds were only relative to the cue sheet, but as no other time commitment seemed acknowledged, the whole of the post seemed to convey a total of only a few seconds.

and finally, was trying to put a little levity into the thread.

but apparently the argue thing is the only thing that counts on any forum anywhere. so ...

i surrender to whatever "last" post comes after this. i won't check.