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EbikeHawaii
09-08-07, 09:58 AM
Since many think I got ebikes banned in Hawaii (in which I may have for political reasons) by setting a world record of hill climbing a 10,005 ft volcano on a electric bicycle and sugesting a new type public transportation in the islands.
Anyway If ebikes are to ever to be legal again in Hawaii I may find out soon by sending this letter to our Mayor,County Council, State legislatures, and to the Director of the State Department of Transportation. As usual only the test of time tells.




To whom it may concern,
As far as transportation is concerned.Helping in any way to relieve automobile congestion should be considered and NOT be thrown into the trash. A recent change in the "motorized bicycle" and bicycle laws now make electric bicycles illegal in Hawaii. Until I believe 2002 Maui and Hawaii had a great law in place that included a electric bike or motorized bicycle to be registered as a bicycle and included in the definition.Now all of Hawaii and New York are the only places in our nation that electric bikes are illegal.
Most people have probably never heard of electric bikes.With modern technology a 20 lb bicycle can fitted with a 5 lb electric motor along with a 7 lb battery pack in the frame that make up the light weight 32 lb Bike. These electric bicycles can go at bicycle speeds for 20 miles without pedaling or go for 30 miles with pedaling if you want to work up a little sweat for a work out to increase the range. For each additional 7 lb battery just add on another 20 miles of no pedaling range or a range of 25 to 30 miles miles with light to moderate pedaling.
In most countries around the globe millions of electric bikes are sold and used for affordable and efficient transpertation. If you want to see legal Ebikes I made that went up Haleakala when they were legal or see electric bikes for rent or sale in the "Ripcurrent Cyclery" store across the street from Longs Drugs in Kahului (or other underground electric bike dealers in Hawaii. Dealers that probably have no idea that electric bikes are illegal in Hawaii since President Bush signed a low speed vehicle law and description as a consumer product (being a electric bike) in 2002 These examlpes as well as 1000s of more types of eletric bicycles that exist to allow clean transportation without toxic admissions by using the sun and wind as the source of power.
Batteries can easily be charged in any home or office socket or by a small solar panel or wind turbine at home.How many cars could be eliminated off the roads and hotel parking lots if employees had electric bikes to go to work at lets say to Kaanapali from Lahaina or Napili and back ? Not to mention the savings at 20 cents a charge for a 1 hour 20 mile round trip.
The bottom line is lets get these worlds most efficient machines on out on our unused bike lanes and provide a alternate to myself or anyone that otherwise has to drive there gas guzziling Ford needlessly.
One of these agencies must be able to find the pre existing 2002 "motorized bicycle" law.What happened to this one ? It appears the older law and amended proposal was omitted and replaced with this law.

"Bicycle" means every vehicle propelled solely by human power upon which any person may ride, having two tandem wheels, and including any vehicle generally recognized as a bicycle though equipped with two front or two rear wheels except a toy bicycle.

Since this revision (below)above took place after Segway transporters were lobbing every state in the USA to become legal and the below BILL FOR AN ACT apears to be a Amendment Bill after the fact that "motorized bicycles" were eliminated from the description of bicycle and Segway electric transporters were added on in a new classifaction and eliminating all electric bicycles and other electric vehicles that could be used as island wide transportation in the bikeways.Of course at a slower pace than a car but a much more afordable and cleaner concept espically when auto traffic is gridlock and you only need to go a few miles without sweating or sweating about getting to work or home on time..

"Motorized bicycle" means a device with two tandem wheels that is propelled both by human power and by an internal combustion engine or a battery powered motor. If battery powered, it has a maximum of one thousand five hundred watts (two horsepower); if powered by an engine it has no more than two horsepower (fifty cubic centimeters), an automatic transmission, and a maximum design speed of not more than twenty-five miles per hour on a flat surface unassisted by human power.
Amends the statewide traffic code by defining and regulating the operation of motorized person transporter platforms, motorized bicycles, and electronic personal assistive mobility devices.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
H.B. NO.
834

TWENTY-SECOND LEGISLATURE, 2003

STATE OF HAWAII



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A BILL FOR AN ACT

This is what the pre 2002 electric law was close to and would it would be excepted to get Ebikes back on the road LEGALY for EVERYONES benifet.



Please Get this revision or the preexisting electric bike law back IN this next up comming legislative session .

Setting a precedence in positive use of electric bicycles will create a diversified economy and a way for residents and visitors to get around without wasting gas or money. There is a lot that can done in the terms of affordable transportation and eco tourism without road modifying if Ebikes were legal in Hawaii.

Aloha, Randy Draper and friends ,Napili

http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=562

http://mauisfreepress.com/archives/archives2003/features/sept_oct/9_17_03_3.html

Lowell_
09-08-07, 08:54 PM
Zero, the exact same value as your $10,000 challenge was worth.

EbikeHawaii
09-09-07, 12:40 AM
Zero, the exact same value as your $10,000 challenge was worth.There is not any challange until someone beats my record on there own.That is your challange that you know that you can not meet.Now why would I wan't to be assoiated with a burning hub motor?

Lowell_
09-09-07, 03:24 AM
There is not any challange until someone beats my record on there own.That is your challange that you know that you can not meet.Now why would I wan't to be assoiated with a burning hub motor?

If you're so sure I can't do it, then you'll be happy to put up $10,000 right?

There's only one burning motor you're associated with, and that's Ken Trough's smoking disc. Forever BURNED into history.

The7
09-09-07, 11:11 AM
If the market is 0, wonder if any one else will ride an ebike in Hawaii !?

EbikeHawaii
09-09-07, 05:44 PM
If the market is 0, wonder if any one else will ride an ebike in Hawaii !? They will never be popular being illegal..
If this Bill goes through Hawaii will have one of the best ebike laws as they did before! NO pedals are required as long as you can move the bike on human power. LOL That will make my 2 Hp Razor DirtBike Legal.They will fit on bus bike racks, and the back seat or trunk of your car for emergency use at $400. a pop....

"Motorized bicycle" means a device with two tandem wheels that is propelled both by human power and by an internal combustion engine or a battery powered motor. If battery powered, it has a maximum of one thousand five hundred watts (two horsepower); if powered by an engine it has no more than two horsepower (fifty cubic centimeters), an automatic transmission, and a maximum design speed of not more than twenty-five miles per hour on a flat surface unassisted by human power.
Amends the statewide traffic code by defining and regulating the operation of motorized person transporter platforms, motorized bicycles, and electronic personal assistive mobility devices.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
H.B. NO.
834

TWENTY-SECOND LEGISLATURE, 2003

STATE OF HAWAII

Jaleel Johanson
09-11-07, 11:26 AM
You will fail the people of Hawaii again.

EbikeHawaii
09-11-07, 11:51 AM
You will fail the people of Hawaii again. Again? What have you done for your community?

The7
09-12-07, 01:06 PM
They will never be popular being illegal..
If this Bill goes through Hawaii will have one of the best ebike laws as they did before!


So it is illegal to ride ebike in Hawaii. What a shame!!

EvilV
09-14-07, 02:16 PM
Yawwwwwwnn......


What a bore this subforum has become. You leave it for three weeks and then look, and guess what..... Same old cr*p, same old self promotion by a person who doesn't know or care how he is regarded, and doesn't understand other people. I think I could safely diagnose Mr Volcano climber as being somewhere on the autistic spectrum, a kind of 'idiot sauvant', or high achieving aspergers sufferer. He should have chosen the screen name of 'Rain Man'.

EvilV
09-14-07, 02:20 PM
That was just just the tip of the nail.

Don't you mean 'iceberg'?

EbikeHawaii
09-14-07, 03:52 PM
Don't you mean 'iceberg'? No 'iceberg's here numbnuts.

EvilV
09-14-07, 04:01 PM
You don't need a personal iceberg to employ the common allusion which everyone understands to mean that something you are speaking or writing about, is just a small part of some much greater amount which is hidden from view.

Zeuser
09-14-07, 04:11 PM
... blah blah blah ...

I warned you a while ago about you being the eBikes worst enemy around there. You may have the best mountain eBike around but you've got the people skills of a Tasmanian devil.

I'm not surprised if they completly ignore you.

Good going hotshot! :rolleyes:

EbikeHawaii
09-14-07, 06:07 PM
I warned you a while ago about you being the eBikes worst enemy around there. You may have the best mountain eBike around but you've got the people skills of a Tasmanian devil.

I'm not surprised if they completly ignore you.

Good going hotshot! :rolleyes: LOL ...

EbikeHawaii
09-27-07, 01:46 AM
So it is illegal to ride ebike in Hawaii. What a shame!!
It is a shame that when ebikes are legal once again that there will still not be any ebikes that will be available to climb the hills here at a decent speed if at all..
If anyone thought that there ebike product would make it here they should lobby for this bill to be approved. If anyone really wants to see more ebikes being used they should lobby the state of Hawaii to get them legal in a place where that ebikes can be used the most in the USA.
Sending letters to the local papers will be FREE EBIKE ADVERTISEMENT for spreading the word that ebikes even exist. LOL






"Aloha Randy

Thank you for your letter spelling out what happened when the Leg caved
into the Segway people and how it has set back advancements in
alternative transportation. This year I will introduce a bill to repeal
HB 843 (2003 SLH)and to restore the law the way it was. I feel this law
was the result of a very questionable relationship set-up between Segway
and government. Thankfully the House has changed quite dramatically
since those days and I am hopeful that my new colleagues will support
doing away with this blatant protectionist Segway law. If you have any
language or other information that may have that I could submit to our
drafting agencies that would be very helpful. Hopefully I can get
support of the others you e-mailed as lobbying will be very important in
getting this to happen.

Sincerely

Angus


Representative Angus L. K. McKelvey
10th District West Maui, Maalaea, North Kihei
State Capitol, 415 S. Beretania Street, Room #315
Phone: (808) 586-6160 * Toll free (984) 2400- 66160 * Fax (984)
2400-66161

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:44 PM
To: Rep. Joseph Souki; Rep. Joe Bertram III; Rep. Angus McKelvey
Cc: mayors.office@mauicounty.gov (mayors.office@mauicounty.gov); director@maui-tomorrow.org (director@maui-tomorrow.org);
danny.mateo@mauicounty.us (danny.mateo@mauicounty.us); riki.hokama@mauicounty.us (riki.hokama@mauicounty.us);
michelle.anderson@mauicounty.us (michelle.anderson@mauicounty.us); michael.victorino@mauicounty.us (michael.victorino@mauicounty.us);
michael.molina@mauicounty.us (michael.molina@mauicounty.us); joseph.pontanilla@mauicounty.us (joseph.pontanilla@mauicounty.us);
jo_anne.johnson@mauicounty.us (jo_anne.johnson@mauicounty.us); gladys.baisa@mauicounty.us (gladys.baisa@mauicounty.us);
bill.medeiros@mauicounty.us (bill.medeiros@mauicounty.us)
Subject: Fw: Re: Legalize elecrtic bicycles


----- Original Message -----
From: "maui dmvl" <maui.dmvl@co.maui.hi.us (maui.dmvl@co.maui.hi.us)>
To: <solarcraft@hawaii.rr.com (solarcraft@hawaii.rr.com)>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Legalize elecrtic bicycles


> Aloha Randy>
> This acknowledges the receipt of your email. However, we are unable to
> provide any comments. The Division of Motor Vehicles and Licensing
> functions to execute laws that are Legislated. We recommend that you
> contact your Legislative Representatives.
>
> DMVL management
>
>>>> "Randy 9/15/2007 11:47 AM >>>
>
> To whom it may concern, At least write me back stating your views.
>
> As far as transportation is concerned.Helping in any way to relieve
> automobile congestion should be considered and NOT be thrown into the
> trash. A recent change in the "motorized bicycle" and bicycle laws now
> make electric bicycles illegal in Hawaii. Until I believe 2002 Maui
and
> Hawaii had a great law in place that included a electric bike or
> motorized bicycle to be registered as a bicycle and included in the
> definition.Now all of Hawaii and New York are the only places in our
> nation that electric bikes are illegal.
> Most people have probably never heard of electric bikes.With modern
> technology a 20 lb bicycle can fitted with a 5 lb electric motor along
> with a 7 lb battery pack in the frame that make up the light weight 32
> lb Bike. These electric bicycles can go at bicycle speeds for 20 miles
> without pedaling or go for 30 miles with pedaling if you want to work
up
> a little sweat for a work out to increase the range. For each
additional
> 7 lb battery just add on another 20 miles of no pedaling range or a
> range of 25 to 30 miles with light to moderate pedaling.
> In most countries around the globe millions of electric bikes are sold
> and used for affordable and efficient transportation. If you want to
see
> legal Ebikes I made that went up Haleakala when they were legal or see
> electric bikes for rent or sale in the "Ripcurrent Cyclery" store
across
> the street from Longs Drugs in Kahului (or other underground electric
> bike dealers in Hawaii. Dealers that probably have no idea that
electric
> bikes are illegal in Hawaii since President Bush signed a low speed
> vehicle law and description as a consumer product (being a electric
> bike) in 2002 These examples as well as 1000s of more types of
electric
> bicycles that exist to allow clean transportation without toxic
> admissions by using the sun and wind as the source of power.
> Batteries can easily be charged in any home or office socket or by a
> small solar panel or wind turbine at home.How many cars could be
> eliminated off the roads and hotel parking lots if employees had
> electric bikes to go to work at lets say to Kaanapali from Lahaina or
> Napili and back ? Not to mention the savings at 20 cents a charge for
a
> 1 hour 20 mile round trip.
> The bottom line is lets get these worlds most efficient machines on
out
> on our unused bike lanes and provide a alternate to myself or anyone
> that otherwise has to drive there gas guzzling Ford needlessly.
> One of these agencies must be able to find the pre existing 2002
> "motorized bicycle" law.What happened to this one ? It appears the
older
> law and amended proposal was omitted and replaced with this law.
>
> "Bicycle" means every vehicle propelled solely by human power upon
> which any person may ride, having two tandem wheels, and including any
> vehicle generally recognized as a bicycle though equipped with two
front
> or two rear wheels except a toy bicycle.
>
> Since this revision (below)above took place after Segway transporters
> were lobbing every state in the USA to become legal and the below BILL
> FOR AN ACT appears to be a Amendment Bill after the fact that
"motorized
> bicycles" were eliminated from the description of bicycle and Segway
> electric transporters were added on in a new classification and
> eliminating all electric bicycles and other electric vehicles that
could
> be used as island wide transportation in the bikeways.Of course at a
> slower pace than a car but a much more affordable and cleaner concept
> especially when auto traffic is gridlock and you only need to go a few
> miles without sweating or sweating about getting to work or home on
> time..
>
> "Motorized bicycle" means a device with two tandem wheels that is
> propelled both by human power and by an internal combustion engine or
a
> battery powered motor. If battery powered, it has a maximum of one
> thousand five hundred watts (two horsepower); if powered by an engine
it
> has no more than two horsepower (fifty cubic centimeters), an
automatic
> transmission, and a maximum design speed of not more than twenty-five
> miles per hour on a flat surface unassisted by human power.
> Amends the statewide traffic code by defining and regulating the
> operation of motorized person transporter platforms, motorized
bicycles,
> and electronic personal assistive mobility devices.
>
> HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
> H.B. NO.
> 834
>
> TWENTY-SECOND LEGISLATURE, 2003
>
> STATE OF HAWAII
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>
>
>
> A BILL FOR AN ACT
>
> This is what the pre 2002 electric law was close to and would it would
> be excepted to get Ebikes back on the road LEGALLY for EVERYONE'S
> benefit.
>
>
>
> Please Get this revision or the preexisting electric bike law back IN
> this next up coming legislative session .
>
> Setting a precedence in positive use of electric bicycles will create
a
> diversified economy and a way for residents and visitors to get around
> without wasting gas or money. There is a lot that can done in the
terms
> of affordable transportation and eco tourism without road modifying if
> Ebikes were legal in Hawaii.
> Aloha, Randy Draper
>
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