Fugazi Dave
09-09-07, 08:57 PM
This thread is for the pursuit of a group buy of Toshi straps. Go for it.
Note that I am no longer involved with this.
Note that I am no longer involved with this.
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Quality double strap group buy
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09-09-07, 09:02 PM
Depending on how much difference there is in price, I would prefer Tashis, however I would definitely still be in for an MKS group buy.
666pack
09-09-07, 09:12 PM
if there's not much difference in price, go toshi. but if the mks is a lot cheaper do that.
and i'm in.
and i'm in.
bward1028
09-09-07, 09:23 PM
i'd consider it, for sure
bexley
09-09-07, 09:25 PM
Yep. I'm in. Put the Toshi vs. MKS to a vote when you've got the prices.
FazeOne
09-09-07, 09:27 PM
This is perfect, Im down for a few sets...
el twe
09-09-07, 09:28 PM
Toshi.
bonechilling
09-09-07, 09:30 PM
If the price is right, I'd be curious to try some good double-straps.
scrub
09-09-07, 09:38 PM
If the price is right, I'd be curious to try some good double-straps.
me too!
me too!
Chrysiptera
09-09-07, 09:48 PM
let me know..
bottom-bracket
09-09-07, 09:51 PM
Hot dwag!!
acoldspoon
09-09-07, 09:51 PM
Thank you Fugazi Dave for making a new thread, this should make things more concise. As the person who originally brought up this idea for a group buy, here is my $00.02. I'd prefer the Toshi singles vs the regular MKS Alpha singles. I just think the Toshi strap is made better for NYC fixed gear riding. Toshi straps also are designed to work with strap buttons, which are key for urban riding, and I've never seen buttons made for the MKS Alpha straps. AFAIC, the Toshi singles are the best strap for urban fixed gear riding if you are going to properly used toe straps, and by that I mean tightening them and un-tightening them repeatedly throughout the day. Toe straps were never designed to be left at a single setting forever as used as a sort of Powergrips arrangement. I'm not going to judge anyone who uses straps this way, to each their own, but my own personal interests are based on using toe straps as they were intended to be used. If used that way, the Toshi singles are hard to beat based on the milage I've put on them this week and reports of them holding up to extended wear. The MKS buckles just don't seem to have as much flex (as opposed to stretch, which I'm not referring to) built into them. This could possibly create a hotspot when wearing street shoes because they might not wrap around your foot as well.
I'd recommend that anyone interested in the double straps who uses toe straps the way they were designed to be intended to be used, and knows how to tighten and un-tighten straps during their ride, try a quality pair of singles (like Toshis) before buying a pair of doubles. Not saying I wouldn't myself condider a pair of doubles for touring, club rides, centuries, etc, but I don't think they are a great solution for NYC riding when compared directly to their single strap counterparts.
I think this member put things very well in his post:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5156283&postcount=39
I'd recommend that anyone interested in the double straps who uses toe straps the way they were designed to be intended to be used, and knows how to tighten and un-tighten straps during their ride, try a quality pair of singles (like Toshis) before buying a pair of doubles. Not saying I wouldn't myself condider a pair of doubles for touring, club rides, centuries, etc, but I don't think they are a great solution for NYC riding when compared directly to their single strap counterparts.
I think this member put things very well in his post:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5156283&postcount=39
ahand
09-09-07, 11:17 PM
i'd be in for some nice doubles, toshi or MKS.
TMonk
09-09-07, 11:43 PM
toshi single gb for me please.
rokphotography
09-09-07, 11:50 PM
i'd be in for toshi doubles if its in good $$
Fugazi Dave
09-10-07, 12:01 AM
We probably need to settle on either singles or doubles...and I get the feeling that a lot of people (including me) really aren't interested in a big group buy for singles. Doubles were sort of the point from the beginning, weren't they?
teiaperigosa
09-10-07, 12:02 AM
I always thought that because there was a buckle for the straps to be tucked into, that tucking them was how they were intended to be used...and that I was using them wrong for the sake of convenience by keeping them untucked (and perhaps wearing them out more quickly)...
acoldspoon, you're saying this isn't the case?
acoldspoon, you're saying this isn't the case?
breakthenorm
09-10-07, 12:32 AM
Toshi for sure. I'm down, I've been meaning to get me a pair, but $100 is a bit pricey, but if a group buy would bring that down by a couple bucks, I'm in.
acoldspoon
09-10-07, 12:46 AM
Doubles were sort of the point from the beginning, weren't they?
The point of the other thread or the point of the group buy? I had the idea to do a group buy, and that wasn't my point.
You can refer to this post here to see where I first mentioned the idea to do a group buy:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5234823&postcount=94
It sounds like you just really want some MKS doubles, which is fine. Power to you. But now you seem like you are also and trying to derail my intent for this group buy, which is less than cool. In fact, you are sugesting that we not even make available the thing I suggested we buy.
I'd have zero problems with a group buy for Toshi singles and doubles, but lets not try to make it sound like this group buy thing was either your idea, the OP's idea from the other thread, or like the idea behind the group buy was to get MKS straps or doubles. I think a group buy for Toshi singles would be a great idea. I think a group buy for Toshi singles and doubles would be a great idea. The intent I originally had though was not a group buy for only doubles or for another brand.
It is also worth remembering that while Toshi straps are reasonably long and will fit a wide foot well, that some other Japanese track straps are not as long. Anything even a little shorter than the Toshi straps are going to pose a problem for some members of this board who may have large wide feet which is way more typical of American men than of Japanese men. As this board has a majority of American members, that is an important detail to look at when deciding on straps. I have double e wide feet, so I mention this from personal experience.
And just to reiterate from the other thread, I have used doubles myself. I find they are great when used for their intended purpose. I found that for hill climbs and TT's they were the cat's PJ's. But that was when I was using them with leather or nylon soled cycling shoes with cleats and had the straps tightened till my feet were completely locked in. In situations where I was going to have to seriously hammer and releasing from a pedal was a risk, doubles made sense. I just don't personally think they are all that great for riding in NYC. YMMV.
If anybody wants to try to change my mind by loaning me a pair of Toshi doubles so I can compare them directly to Toshi singles, I'll give you my updated opinion, though it very well may not change.
The reality is that doubles look cooler to some people, look more "track" to some people, and I've been told might work better for some people that prefer to ride with loose straps (though I can't understand why one would chose to do so all the time). As these things don't really effect me, it was never my intent to own a pair for NYC riding.
Heck, they'd probably be stolen off my bike in no time flat anyway, and would make my bike stand out to thieves that much more. I would consider a pair of doubles for when I ride centuries though, just so I can see how they compare in this respect to singles or clipless.
I always thought that because there was a buckle for the straps to be tucked into, that tucking them was how they were intended to be used...and that I was using them wrong for the sake of convenience by keeping them untucked (and perhaps wearing them out more quickly)...
acoldspoon, you're saying this isn't the case?
Toe straps have traditionally been used both ways by cyclists. That's why toe strap companies have made toe strap end buttons. Which one uses, often depends on how often the straps need to be tightened and un-tightened. Twenty five or so years ago when clipless was still a new thing, it broke down sort of like this. In road racing (stage, TT's, points, crits, etc.), we tended to tuck into the buckles. Granted there were exceptions to the rules, like certain short contests where immediate pack placement and immediate sprinting from the start meant buttons were more beneficial. My understanding is that most track cyclists have also preferred to tuck into the buckle too. This has a lot to do with the ability to track stand, use railings, and have bikes held pre-race. Bike touring, at least in the 1980's was pretty split with button and buckle tucking. I tended to prefer buttons for touring, but many other people took the tucking in route. For urban riding, like in NYC, and even congested suburban riding, the vast majority of riders before clipless (who were serious cyclists) either used buttons or didn't, but rarely ever tucked into the buckle. Tucking into the buckles while constantly tightening and un-tightening, as one does in urban riding with stop and go traffic and intersections, is a serious PITA that slows you down and can lead to accidents caused by an avoidable distraction.
The point of the other thread or the point of the group buy? I had the idea to do a group buy, and that wasn't my point.
You can refer to this post here to see where I first mentioned the idea to do a group buy:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5234823&postcount=94
It sounds like you just really want some MKS doubles, which is fine. Power to you. But now you seem like you are also and trying to derail my intent for this group buy, which is less than cool. In fact, you are sugesting that we not even make available the thing I suggested we buy.
I'd have zero problems with a group buy for Toshi singles and doubles, but lets not try to make it sound like this group buy thing was either your idea, the OP's idea from the other thread, or like the idea behind the group buy was to get MKS straps or doubles. I think a group buy for Toshi singles would be a great idea. I think a group buy for Toshi singles and doubles would be a great idea. The intent I originally had though was not a group buy for only doubles or for another brand.
It is also worth remembering that while Toshi straps are reasonably long and will fit a wide foot well, that some other Japanese track straps are not as long. Anything even a little shorter than the Toshi straps are going to pose a problem for some members of this board who may have large wide feet which is way more typical of American men than of Japanese men. As this board has a majority of American members, that is an important detail to look at when deciding on straps. I have double e wide feet, so I mention this from personal experience.
And just to reiterate from the other thread, I have used doubles myself. I find they are great when used for their intended purpose. I found that for hill climbs and TT's they were the cat's PJ's. But that was when I was using them with leather or nylon soled cycling shoes with cleats and had the straps tightened till my feet were completely locked in. In situations where I was going to have to seriously hammer and releasing from a pedal was a risk, doubles made sense. I just don't personally think they are all that great for riding in NYC. YMMV.
If anybody wants to try to change my mind by loaning me a pair of Toshi doubles so I can compare them directly to Toshi singles, I'll give you my updated opinion, though it very well may not change.
The reality is that doubles look cooler to some people, look more "track" to some people, and I've been told might work better for some people that prefer to ride with loose straps (though I can't understand why one would chose to do so all the time). As these things don't really effect me, it was never my intent to own a pair for NYC riding.
Heck, they'd probably be stolen off my bike in no time flat anyway, and would make my bike stand out to thieves that much more. I would consider a pair of doubles for when I ride centuries though, just so I can see how they compare in this respect to singles or clipless.
I always thought that because there was a buckle for the straps to be tucked into, that tucking them was how they were intended to be used...and that I was using them wrong for the sake of convenience by keeping them untucked (and perhaps wearing them out more quickly)...
acoldspoon, you're saying this isn't the case?
Toe straps have traditionally been used both ways by cyclists. That's why toe strap companies have made toe strap end buttons. Which one uses, often depends on how often the straps need to be tightened and un-tightened. Twenty five or so years ago when clipless was still a new thing, it broke down sort of like this. In road racing (stage, TT's, points, crits, etc.), we tended to tuck into the buckles. Granted there were exceptions to the rules, like certain short contests where immediate pack placement and immediate sprinting from the start meant buttons were more beneficial. My understanding is that most track cyclists have also preferred to tuck into the buckle too. This has a lot to do with the ability to track stand, use railings, and have bikes held pre-race. Bike touring, at least in the 1980's was pretty split with button and buckle tucking. I tended to prefer buttons for touring, but many other people took the tucking in route. For urban riding, like in NYC, and even congested suburban riding, the vast majority of riders before clipless (who were serious cyclists) either used buttons or didn't, but rarely ever tucked into the buckle. Tucking into the buckles while constantly tightening and un-tightening, as one does in urban riding with stop and go traffic and intersections, is a serious PITA that slows you down and can lead to accidents caused by an avoidable distraction.
jodypolk
09-10-07, 01:01 AM
how much could ordering in bulk from japan (everything here is expensive, and people don't really seem to bargain much) save, after paying for shipping and customs? would it really be worth the wait to save (what i'm guessing would be) a small amt. of money?
fwiw, i've found MKS stuff here to be more expensive or the same prices than most of my LBS(s?) in san diego. i'm going to guess toshi would be the same...
fwiw, i've found MKS stuff here to be more expensive or the same prices than most of my LBS(s?) in san diego. i'm going to guess toshi would be the same...
jodypolk
09-10-07, 01:02 AM
^ not being a smartass, just asking.
what would be the ideal discount amount people are looking for here?
what would be the ideal discount amount people are looking for here?
Retem
09-10-07, 01:03 AM
the price I usually get is 100 for toshi doubles and 80 for mks fit alpha doubles
if you can beat the toshi price I am down for multiple pairs otherwise forget it
if you can beat the toshi price I am down for multiple pairs otherwise forget it
acoldspoon
09-10-07, 01:09 AM
I have no idea if a saving could be arranged, I merely brought up the idea of investigating. Anyone kow what wholesale pricing is?
Fugazi Dave
09-10-07, 01:36 AM
acoldspoon:
Actually, I have no intent to try to derail your original purpose, and I resent the implication. My basic point was that if we're going to get the numbers together to actually get a group buy off the ground, then we probably need to decide as a group to go after singles or doubles - trying to get both may result in getting volume pricing on neither. Most people seem interested in doubles. I dig MKS straps, but I'm totally open to Toshis as well. All I did was voice one personal preference. You seem to think I'm trying to get some kind of ****ing conspiracy off the ground. I never claimed it was my idea, insisted that we *not* buy single straps as a group, etc. In fact, I don't care if it was you or whoever else that first even mentioned the idea of a group buy on straps - it's beside the point entirely. People seemed interested in a group buy on Toshis and someone mentioned a new thread, so I started this. Accuse me of trying to further some ulterior, personal motive and this thing will lose my support altogether. I have connections enough for my own means, I was only trying to get this thing rolling for the group.
Actually, I have no intent to try to derail your original purpose, and I resent the implication. My basic point was that if we're going to get the numbers together to actually get a group buy off the ground, then we probably need to decide as a group to go after singles or doubles - trying to get both may result in getting volume pricing on neither. Most people seem interested in doubles. I dig MKS straps, but I'm totally open to Toshis as well. All I did was voice one personal preference. You seem to think I'm trying to get some kind of ****ing conspiracy off the ground. I never claimed it was my idea, insisted that we *not* buy single straps as a group, etc. In fact, I don't care if it was you or whoever else that first even mentioned the idea of a group buy on straps - it's beside the point entirely. People seemed interested in a group buy on Toshis and someone mentioned a new thread, so I started this. Accuse me of trying to further some ulterior, personal motive and this thing will lose my support altogether. I have connections enough for my own means, I was only trying to get this thing rolling for the group.
Gyeswho
09-10-07, 07:14 AM
Okay so some folks on a fixed thread in San Fran did a toshi double strap group buy and this is what the prices were:
7-14 people: 90$ + tax + shipping
15-24 people: 80$ + tax + shipping
25 and up: 75$ +tax + shipping
Now if it is agreed that we all are in for a toshi double I will go ahead and contact the person who started that group buy to see who they ordered from.
From personal experience I've had both Toshi single and double. While the singles are very good, the doubles are even better. You don't have to strap down the doubles as much since you have two straps per foot and they will probably last longer too. It does make sense (to me) if you use doubles just because you get better power with the ride. I've heard that Toshi are better made for longevity too because the buckle goes through all three layers of the leather, while MKS only goes through 1 or 2 I think. So yeah decide what yall want but I'm all in for Toshi doubles cuz they are well worth it (to me).
7-14 people: 90$ + tax + shipping
15-24 people: 80$ + tax + shipping
25 and up: 75$ +tax + shipping
Now if it is agreed that we all are in for a toshi double I will go ahead and contact the person who started that group buy to see who they ordered from.
From personal experience I've had both Toshi single and double. While the singles are very good, the doubles are even better. You don't have to strap down the doubles as much since you have two straps per foot and they will probably last longer too. It does make sense (to me) if you use doubles just because you get better power with the ride. I've heard that Toshi are better made for longevity too because the buckle goes through all three layers of the leather, while MKS only goes through 1 or 2 I think. So yeah decide what yall want but I'm all in for Toshi doubles cuz they are well worth it (to me).
lamalex
09-10-07, 09:01 AM
Toshi doubles preferred here. 75 is a decent discount too. Count me in.
bward1028
09-10-07, 10:05 AM
yeah, i would probably be happy with $75. if the IRO group buy is any indication, we could probably get more folks than that....
eddiec33
09-10-07, 10:14 AM
If you get the deal worked, I'm in. for t0shi 75 is fine, maybe a little steep for MKS tho. But i reiterate, i am in regardless.
fischer, max
09-10-07, 10:14 AM
i'd be in for the toshi doubles too.
Fugazi Dave
09-10-07, 10:17 AM
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teiaperigosa
09-10-07, 10:18 AM
for 75, I'd put down
slocate
09-10-07, 10:26 AM
I'm putting down too (for the toshi doubles).
xylophonecks
09-10-07, 10:41 AM
i'd be down for some toshi singles, but i don't think i want doubles.
calculus
09-10-07, 10:54 AM
i'm in for doubles, but i admit i have zero time to help with an organization of ordering, shipment coordindination or $$ handling
piwonka
09-10-07, 11:12 AM
i'd like a set or three of some SINGLES.
i'll bet there is going to be enough people here that it might be possible to get singles and doubles.
also, as far as organizing the buy, this was mentioned to me.
"On this group buy, someone needs to have a store help out who has a dealer account with Euro Asia. Trying to buy from Takizawa or otherwise shop farther afield has a lot of issues that will tend to make people unhappy. They can still get about 35% off from Euro Asia even if they let the assisting store get 10% or so just as a courtesy for their hassle."
i'll bet there is going to be enough people here that it might be possible to get singles and doubles.
also, as far as organizing the buy, this was mentioned to me.
"On this group buy, someone needs to have a store help out who has a dealer account with Euro Asia. Trying to buy from Takizawa or otherwise shop farther afield has a lot of issues that will tend to make people unhappy. They can still get about 35% off from Euro Asia even if they let the assisting store get 10% or so just as a courtesy for their hassle."
acoldspoon
09-10-07, 11:42 AM
acoldspoon:
Actually, I have no intent to try to derail your original purpose, and I resent the implication. My basic point was that if we're going to get the numbers together to actually get a group buy off the ground, then we probably need to decide as a group to go after singles or doubles -
Why must we decide? What exactly is your logic?
trying to get both may result in getting volume pricing on neither.
On what exactly are you basing this assumption? How do you know this would detrimental? It might bring in twice the interested buyers. Why would that hurt a sales agreement? And why so nervous about even approaching a strap seller with the offer?
Most people seem interested in doubles. I dig MKS straps, but I'm totally open to Toshis as well. All I did was voice one personal preference. You seem to think I'm trying to get some kind of ****ing conspiracy off the ground. I never claimed it was my idea, insisted that we *not* buy single straps as a group, etc.
When you keep mentioning with implied secret knowledge that we must chose between singles or doubles before getting this under way, you lay groundwork for there being no singles offered.
In fact, I don't care if it was you or whoever else that first even mentioned the idea of a group buy on straps - it's beside the point entirely. People seemed interested in a group buy on Toshis and someone mentioned a new thread, so I started this. Accuse me of trying to further some ulterior, personal motive and this thing will lose my support altogether. I have connections enough for my own means, I was only trying to get this thing rolling for the group.
How about instead you actually tell us what you can put together, tell us what your connections are, and tell us what pricing would be on Toshi singles and doubles with a large bulk order through your connections, instead of just mysteriously alluding to it.
Actually, I have no intent to try to derail your original purpose, and I resent the implication. My basic point was that if we're going to get the numbers together to actually get a group buy off the ground, then we probably need to decide as a group to go after singles or doubles -
Why must we decide? What exactly is your logic?
trying to get both may result in getting volume pricing on neither.
On what exactly are you basing this assumption? How do you know this would detrimental? It might bring in twice the interested buyers. Why would that hurt a sales agreement? And why so nervous about even approaching a strap seller with the offer?
Most people seem interested in doubles. I dig MKS straps, but I'm totally open to Toshis as well. All I did was voice one personal preference. You seem to think I'm trying to get some kind of ****ing conspiracy off the ground. I never claimed it was my idea, insisted that we *not* buy single straps as a group, etc.
When you keep mentioning with implied secret knowledge that we must chose between singles or doubles before getting this under way, you lay groundwork for there being no singles offered.
In fact, I don't care if it was you or whoever else that first even mentioned the idea of a group buy on straps - it's beside the point entirely. People seemed interested in a group buy on Toshis and someone mentioned a new thread, so I started this. Accuse me of trying to further some ulterior, personal motive and this thing will lose my support altogether. I have connections enough for my own means, I was only trying to get this thing rolling for the group.
How about instead you actually tell us what you can put together, tell us what your connections are, and tell us what pricing would be on Toshi singles and doubles with a large bulk order through your connections, instead of just mysteriously alluding to it.
acoldspoon
09-10-07, 11:48 AM
Might want to read this post:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5241518&postcount=104
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5241518&postcount=104
Fugazi Dave
09-10-07, 11:55 AM
OK, what the hell are you smoking?
1. Volume pricing depends on VOLUME. If we have enough people for both kinds of straps to get volume pricing on both, great! However, if we really want to get truly good discounts on straps, we need to keep quantity as high as possible. If not enough peple get on this to have sufficient numbers in what we try to buy of either kind of strap, the discount we get won't be worth the time and effort invested.
2. I'll say it again - people seemed interested (and said so) in a group buy of TOSHI DOUBLES. It was also said that this should have its own thread. I never said singles were not going to be a possibility, but more people are interested in the doubles than in the singles, and I again direct you to point one.
3. I never said I was the ****ing coordinator of this thing. I never said I would be the one to set up the deal or execute it. I have nothing to offer except my assistance as best I can offer it given the resources I have. I'm not just going to go publicizing what connections I have as they are based on personal friendships and professional relationships and these people have nothing to do with this forum or the people on it. All I did was start a thread and state a few rather logical opinions, only to be interrogated and accused by you for no remotely valid reason.
I'm out. **** the group buy, **** you, take me off the list.
1. Volume pricing depends on VOLUME. If we have enough people for both kinds of straps to get volume pricing on both, great! However, if we really want to get truly good discounts on straps, we need to keep quantity as high as possible. If not enough peple get on this to have sufficient numbers in what we try to buy of either kind of strap, the discount we get won't be worth the time and effort invested.
2. I'll say it again - people seemed interested (and said so) in a group buy of TOSHI DOUBLES. It was also said that this should have its own thread. I never said singles were not going to be a possibility, but more people are interested in the doubles than in the singles, and I again direct you to point one.
3. I never said I was the ****ing coordinator of this thing. I never said I would be the one to set up the deal or execute it. I have nothing to offer except my assistance as best I can offer it given the resources I have. I'm not just going to go publicizing what connections I have as they are based on personal friendships and professional relationships and these people have nothing to do with this forum or the people on it. All I did was start a thread and state a few rather logical opinions, only to be interrogated and accused by you for no remotely valid reason.
I'm out. **** the group buy, **** you, take me off the list.
tink20seven
09-10-07, 12:06 PM
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acoldspoon
09-10-07, 12:07 PM
OK, what the hell are you smoking? <snip> I'm out. **** the group buy, **** you, take me off the list.
Uh yeah. Okay. Rest well knowing your professional and personal contacts will forever be unsullied by this merely proposed group buy.
Uh yeah. Okay. Rest well knowing your professional and personal contacts will forever be unsullied by this merely proposed group buy.
knucks
09-10-07, 12:14 PM
I don't even know how to properly adjust/setup my single straps, count me out i guess :(
lamalex
09-10-07, 12:15 PM
:P hurry up and learn!
BRANDUNE
09-10-07, 12:16 PM
Virtual Hippie says:"chill out duderrzzzzz!" (http://www.peacefuldriving.com/virtual.php)
prufrock
09-10-07, 12:23 PM
i'm in for the group buy. what colors are we looking at for the toshi doubles? choice between black/white or one or the other. either way, im in. i'm sure we can find more people by posting on the fixed forums. who can say no to 75 dolla toshis!
BTW, how do i "properly" adjust the tension of my straps while im out riding. lol. trackstand and then reach down, pull on the strap to tighten or squeeze the buckle to loosen?
BTW, how do i "properly" adjust the tension of my straps while im out riding. lol. trackstand and then reach down, pull on the strap to tighten or squeeze the buckle to loosen?
acoldspoon
09-10-07, 12:26 PM
I don't even know how to properly adjust/setup my single straps, count me out i guess :(
What do you need help with? PM me and I'll gladly walk you through it, or if you post your location another member may be able to help you in person.
i'm in for the group buy. what colors are we looking at for the toshi doubles? choice between black/white or one or the other. either way, im in. i'm sure we can find more people by posting on the fixed forums. who can say no to 75 dolla toshis!
BTW, how do i "properly" adjust the tension of my straps while im out riding. lol. trackstand and then reach down, pull on the strap to tighten or squeeze the buckle to loosen?
That poster might not know how to track stand or be able to safely trackstand where he rides. Seems to me, we should help him rather than making fun of him. While strap use might be obvious to you and I, he deserves help if it isn't obvious to him. I personally prefer to reach down and cinch or un-cinch them while slowly spinning, BTW, old roadie habits die hard.
What do you need help with? PM me and I'll gladly walk you through it, or if you post your location another member may be able to help you in person.
i'm in for the group buy. what colors are we looking at for the toshi doubles? choice between black/white or one or the other. either way, im in. i'm sure we can find more people by posting on the fixed forums. who can say no to 75 dolla toshis!
BTW, how do i "properly" adjust the tension of my straps while im out riding. lol. trackstand and then reach down, pull on the strap to tighten or squeeze the buckle to loosen?
That poster might not know how to track stand or be able to safely trackstand where he rides. Seems to me, we should help him rather than making fun of him. While strap use might be obvious to you and I, he deserves help if it isn't obvious to him. I personally prefer to reach down and cinch or un-cinch them while slowly spinning, BTW, old roadie habits die hard.
scottgofuse
09-10-07, 12:27 PM
i'm in
lamalex
09-10-07, 12:32 PM
That poster might not know how to track stand or be able to safely trackstand where he rides. Seems to me, we should help him rather than making fun of him. While strap use might be obvious to you and I, he deserves help if it isn't obvious to him.
I didn't think he was being made fun of... That's a legit answer; it's helpful and informative, if he can't track stand, he can than either a) learn to or b) say "I can't track stand, is there another way?"
I didn't think he was being made fun of... That's a legit answer; it's helpful and informative, if he can't track stand, he can than either a) learn to or b) say "I can't track stand, is there another way?"
BRANDUNE
09-10-07, 12:33 PM
I don't even know how to properly adjust/setup my single straps, count me out i guess :(Just grab them lil' ****ers and hold on, they cinch right up on the down stroke
acoldspoon
09-10-07, 12:38 PM
I didn't think he was being made fun of... That's a legit answer; it's helpful and informative, if he can't track stand, he can than either a) learn to or b) say "I can't track stand, is there another way?"
If it wasn't meant to be terse, I'm sorry, thought the "lol" can be taken the wrong way. The implication that one needs to know how to track stand in order to adjust straps is wrong though. Heck, we don't even know if the rider in question is riding a fixed gear or a single speed.
Just grab them lil' ****ers and hold on, they cinch right up on the down stroke
This won't work if they are improperly mounted, especially if the straps are of the thinner variety.
If it wasn't meant to be terse, I'm sorry, thought the "lol" can be taken the wrong way. The implication that one needs to know how to track stand in order to adjust straps is wrong though. Heck, we don't even know if the rider in question is riding a fixed gear or a single speed.
Just grab them lil' ****ers and hold on, they cinch right up on the down stroke
This won't work if they are improperly mounted, especially if the straps are of the thinner variety.
lamalex
09-10-07, 12:39 PM
:) np. We should get back on topic anyway. SO who wants to figure out who to order from?