If you were going to buy either a Dinotte Taillight or headlight, which would you buy and why? I don't think I'm ready to plunk down the $400 on both right now, but I want to give one a try. The roads I ride on at night are pretty well-paved so keeping an eye out for potholes isn't that important. Right now I have no lights, and don't want to go through the whole "buy the $20 light, then the $40 light, then realize you should have gotten the good light to begin with and you basically double your costs" thing. So what should I get first?

I have both the dinotte tail light and 200L head light, I have been riding my bike on routes without street lights at 25 miles/hours with these lights.

If you have to compromise, get the planetbike superflash for $20, and get the dinotte headlight. The superflash isn't as bright as the dinotte, but it ain't too shabby.

If you get the DiNotte tail light, how much budget are you going to allow yourself for a headlight?

john bono's suggestion seems to make the most sense. You probably can't get more bang for the buck in a tail light than with the Planet Bike Super Flash. (Got mine on sale for $16, after sales tax). Get the DiNotte headlight and one of the best tail lights you can get for minimal $$ in the Super Flash and later (once you've invested in a DiNotte tail light), keep the Super Flash as your emergency tail light (or put it on the back of your helmet).

Another option would be to get the DiNotte tail light, spend $50-$60 more on a Fenix flashlight for a headlight, and later on down the road, after you get the DiNotte headlight, convert the Fenix over to your helmet light.

Get the best headlight you can afford and the Super Flash for the rear. The Super Flash is surprisingly visible, even from long distances.

You'll appreciate being able to see where you are going with the headlight a lot more than the benefit of a SF over the Dinotte taillight will give you.

BLASPHEMY!!! :D ok i may be a bit biased towards the Dinotte tailight.............i can see in front of me just fine, but can others see me as they are driving? I like the uber strobe of the Dinotte tailight to creat a buffer zone behind me.

BLASPHEMY!!! :D ok i may be a bit biased towards the Dinotte tailight.............i can see in front of me just fine, but can others see me as they are driving? I like the uber strobe of the Dinotte tailight to creat a buffer zone behind me.

With a Super Flash they can. I can see Mrs Z riding with a SF from over a kilometer away in the dusk. Nighttime it's even brighter, of course.

Surprisingly the SF isn't very visible during daytime. I've found the Cateye TL-1000 to be more visible during the day, while the SF is much more visible at night.

BLASPHEMY!!! :D ok i may be a bit biased towards the Dinotte tailight.............i can see in front of me just fine, but can others see me as they are driving? I like the uber strobe of the Dinotte tailight to creat a buffer zone behind me.

+1 I would get the tail light as well, a lot of near accidents at night are when the driver doesn't see the cyclist in front until they are very close.

Go with the DiNotte headlight and a SuperFlash or LD-1000 taillight. The headlight is for more than just seeing, it's also for being seen.

If you venture into the A&S forum, you'll find references to studies which generally show only 20% to 25% of all vehicle/bicycle accidents are from overtaking from the rear. All the rest are from the front or sides.

Although they're more rare, what makes overtaking accidents more frightening is that we don't usually see it happening. At least at night I can tell by my shadow in the headlights where the car is in relation to me and can adjust my line if it seems they don't see me or aren't giving me enough room. (And I'll grant, that if you're in that 20-25%, it's just as bad as from any other direction.)

Statistically, front and crossing accidents happen far more often. (I'm not venturing into A&S without bodyguards, but search there and you'll find the reports.) Thus, that's where I want my best lights.

In my experience, the DiNotte headlight--even when used in broad daylight--stops cars dead. They don't cross or pull out in front of me when I'm running it. When I run lesser light (like before I bought them or when I sent them in for upgrade) I have troubles with cars crossing and pulling out. That says enough for me.

Important question. Until I took my major DiNotte plunge I was going for the tail light only since I ride at night on fairly empty windy country roads. I figure I can see and hear someone coming and drive very defensively if I feel worried by them, but if somebody zips round a corner and I have not heard them... I want them to KNOW I am there. So for me, DiNotte tail with a flasher too.
I'm struck by the statistics tsl quotes. But if I hadn't been able to swing front and back I probably would have gone with what Varusceli suggests, DiNotte tail light with a Fenix on the front with the hopes of an upgrade later. Really think about the specific conditions you'll encounter since that will make all the difference. Good advice from everyone here, though. And they know whereof they speak.

Just slightly off topic to the specific question asked, but...

Don't know how this compares to other current deals, but Bike Nashbar has the DiNotte tail light on sale at $149.95, which in itself is not that great of a deal. But, today (Sept. 12) they have a 20-percent discount that would bring the price down to right about $120. But then you've got to add tax (most likely) and shipping charges (most likely) -- unless you're in a state they don't tax or have a free shipping coupon (?). Still, $120 seems a good price.

Still, $120 seems a good price.

That's the cheapest I've seen, make sure they include the charger and the rechargeable batteries for that price. I got mine for $149 with everything included.

That's the cheapest I've seen, make sure they include the charger and the rechargeable batteries for that price. I got mine for $149 with everything included.

According the the photos and item description (if accurate) everything EXCEPT batteries seems to be included (Batteries Not Included is stated). But the photos also show the new mount that everyone has been curious about. I tried Live Chat to verify, but tried after 6 p.m. eastern, so no representatives were available. But the photos seem to show the regular DiNotte Kit. (Item is described as DiNotte Tail Light System...so sounds like everything except batteries.)

Bike Nashbar DiNotte Tail Light System (http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=6000101&subcategory=60001068&brand=&sku=20356&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Shop%20by%20Subcat%3A%20Rear%20Lights)

Edit: I did a test checkout applying the discount code and seeing what taxes and shipping would add to the total, and came up with a taxed/shipped cost of $143. A decent deal, I guess, but the $10.25 shipping and $12.82 tax did put a damper on the perceived good deal. (But this is with no batteries.)

If you have to compromise, get the planetbike superflash for $20, and get the dinotte headlight. The superflash isn't as bright as the dinotte, but it ain't too shabby.

If you do group rides you will have to either ride in the back all the time or turn the tail light to it's lowest setting and angle it downward or it will blind other riders. One or two Blackburn Mars 3.0 tail lights will give you awesome capability for $17 each. I have a 2.0 & 3.0 that I use together on my bike.

Get the headlight.

Email Rob at Dinotte. He will likely give you a deal on both you can't refuse. That is what happened to me.:D

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Email Rob at Dinotte. He will likely give you a deal on both you can't refuse. That is what happened to me.:D

That's sure what I'd say at this point. As far as I know, GeoMan Gear was the other solid/best option for getting the DiNotte tail light at a good price (seemed to be the best deal), but I guess he's getting out of the DiNotte line. But for the small savings by doing a purchase via a vendor like Nashbar, it might be better to pay just slightly more and go directly through DiNotte. They were certainly very responsive to my inquiries and if you ever had problem or concern, they'd be the ones you'd need to contact anyway.

(That 20-percent Nashbar discount looked good on top of their sale price, until you start factoring in tax, shipping, and the fact that their sale price wasn't all that great in the first place since it didn't include rechargeable batteries as part of the package. The Nashbar deal wasn't bad, but also wasn't nearly as good as it looked on the surface, I don't think.)

Also, if you look at the Nashbar page for the DiNotte tail light, it's confusing to me what you actually are getting as part of the package. Looks like (and I could be wrong about this) they might actually be showing in pictures more than you actually get with the purchase. I don't think they show a "Package Includes" statement (?) and it looks like they show more in the photos more than what is in the standard tail light package (at least, the standard tail light package as it is shown on the DiNotte site). Or maybe I'm just confused by what I'm seeing and not interpreting it correctly.

By the way, chinotex -- are we straying too far off topic yet? Or are we still staying somewhat relevant to the original post? ;)

By the way, chinotex -- are we straying too far off topic yet? Or are we still staying somewhat relevant to the original post?

Hmm, considering I went ahead and bought the tail light a few hours after I posted this (what can I say, I'm a compulsive shopper), it doesn't matter how off topic you are! Thanks for all the advice though. On my last morning ride before putting in my order, I realized there are streetlights almost everywhere I ride, so I have a pretty good view of everything and can see cars coming. Cars being able to see me from behind was much more important, so I went with the tail light.

Thanks for all the advice again!

Hmm, considering I went ahead and bought the tail light a few hours after I posted this (what can I say, I'm a compulsive shopper), it doesn't matter how off topic you are! Thanks for all the advice though. On my last morning ride before putting in my order, I realized there are streetlights almost everywhere I ride, so I have a pretty good view of everything and can see cars coming. Cars being able to see me from behind was much more important, so I went with the tail light.

Thanks for all the advice again!

Any chance you'd like to share what you're doing in short term for a headlight? Just out of curiosity. I'm finding it interesting to hear how others are working through budgetary issues (just like I am) while they're setting up their light systems.

Any chance you'd like to share what you're doing in short term for a headlight? Just out of curiosity. I'm finding it interesting to hear how others are working through budgetary issues (just like I am) while they're setting up their light systems.

http://www.x-tremegeek.com/images/detail_images/p14407a-8.jpg

I use this with a TwoFish lock block, works great for a budget "be seen" light, if you already have an old Mini Mag laying around with a burnt out bulb (I had a couple:))

Keep my eyes open, hope no local constables see me, and don't leave the subdivision.

Keep my eyes open, hope no local constables see me, and don't leave the subdivision.

At least get a cheap front flasher from walmart.

Keep my eyes open, hope no local constables see me, and don't leave the subdivision.

Yikes! Well, dig an old flashlight out of the utility drawer, stick some fresh batteries in it and duct tape it to the handlebars for a while. Anything seems like it would be better than nothing... ;)

Hmm, considering I went ahead and bought the tail light a few hours after I posted this (what can I say, I'm a compulsive shopper), it doesn't matter how off topic you are! Thanks for all the advice though. On my last morning ride before putting in my order, I realized there are streetlights almost everywhere I ride, so I have a pretty good view of everything and can see cars coming. Cars being able to see me from behind was much more important, so I went with the tail light.

Thanks for all the advice again!

Please let us know how that works out for you and if you feel the need for more front light.

Yeah, i rocked nothing on the front for a long time and it can get kind of scary in those 'feeling out the road' dark areas. So i took the plunge and got dual 200L's and never looked back. But in the mean time im all about what they're saying, just use any flashlight, or do like what i did just recenlty before i got the Dinottes, was get a cheap headlamp from Wally, a lot better than 'feeling it out' when it gets very dark...

Yikes! Well, dig an old flashlight out of the utility drawer, stick some fresh batteries in it and duct tape it to the handlebars for a while. Anything seems like it would be better than nothing... ;)

Despite what I said about the old utility drawer flashlight, if you can scrape it up my real advice is to spend $50-60 on a Fenix flashlight (I use the L2D and it uses rechargeable AA batteries), use it for your headlight for a while, and later convert it to your helmet light once you've invested in a DiNotte headlight.

I know I said the same thing earlier in the thread, but I think it's one approach that might work nicely for you. As opposed to buying a cheap headlight that you might later regret getting (since you've said you want to upgrade and will not want to have wasted good money on a cheap light), the Fenix would be an actual investment in your future system that you can keep using even after you get a more powerful headlight. It can be the bridge to a more powerful light later and can continue as part of the system as a great supplemental light for your helmet (assuming a helmet is somewhere in your picture, and maybe it isn't). I won't continue to beat that idea to death, but it's probably worth consideration -- depending on how you see your eventual needs. ;)

Yeah, i rocked nothing on the front for a long time and it can get kind of scary in those 'feeling out the road' dark areas. So i took the plunge and got dual 200L's ...

Nice! That's another setup I'd sure like to see in working mode with my own eyes...

Hmmm, that DiNotte tail light looks like it can be had for the next couple of days at Nashbar for about $130, shipped. On sale for $134.95, subtract the current 20 percent discount coupon, add in tax and shipping and you end up at a final price of approx. $130. Not bad.

(However . . . for some reason, when I tested a purchase I had trouble applying the coupon (88W20) -- says "The Coupon You Entered Does Not Exist" -- but that seems like it must be a temporary glitch in the system. The coupon shows on the Nashbar site as good from Sept. 19-21 and also arrived to me via e-mail from Nashbar. Twenty percent off any purchase over $100. Doesn't say it must be applied to a full-priced item, either, so I'd think sale items would be fair game.)

Hmmm, that DiNotte tail light looks like it can be had for the next couple of days at Nashbar for about $130, shipped. On sale for $134.95, subtract the current 20 percent discount coupon, add in tax and shipping and you end up at a final price of approx. $130. Not bad.

(However . . . for some reason, when I tested a purchase I had trouble applying the coupon (88W20) -- says "The Coupon You Entered Does Not Exist" -- but that seems like it must be a temporary glitch in the system. The coupon shows on the Nashbar site as good from Sept. 19-21 and also arrived to me via e-mail from Nashbar. Twenty percent off any purchase over $100. Doesn't say it must be applied to a full-priced item, either, so I'd think sale items would be fair game.)

And now the coupon code is working. DiNotte tail light $129.83, shipped (to Houston, TX area, in any case, after discount coupon, taxes, and shipping).

I just ordered it from Nashbar for $118.21 shipped to KC, MO. No taxes here. Sweet.

I just ordered it from Nashbar for $118.21 shipped to KC, MO. No taxes here. Sweet.

Excellent deal!

Don't know why Nashbar has to tax us here in Texas (what, do they have actual locations here?). Between the tax and shipping costs, most most Nashbar deals for us (when things are on sale) are good to decent deals, but no great deals. I'm finding that tax and shipping costs usually zero out any applicable coupons or kick sale prices back up to regular price (in a sense).

Dang it, i looked at that deal earlier today and was going to order it when i got home this evening. Ive been wanting one badly but waiting patiently till i could find a deal on one. And guess what when i tried to order it just now, sold out... :(

Dang it, i looked at that deal earlier today and was going to order it when i got home this evening. Ive been wanting one badly but waiting patiently till i could find a deal on one. And guess what when i tried to order it just now, sold out... :(

They won't let you order it then ship it out when in stock?

Well its not even showing up on their website anymore. I called and tried to ask them the same thing, but the lady i talked to was extremely un-helpfull. She took 10 min just to find out that they were out of stock, which i already knew, then couldnt tell me when they were getting anymore in... C'est la vie, im sure there will be other deals, if not i will just pay full price as i dont know how much longer i can wait. If you come across anything please pm me

Well its not even showing up on their website. I called and tried to ask them the same thing, but the lady i talked to was extremely un-helpfull. She took 10 min just to find out that they were out of stock, then couldnt tell me when they were getting anymore in...

Wow, that does sort of . . . "suck," to be quite honest.

And I could have bought one this afternoon. Had it sitting in my cart, ready for purchase. But, it's not a "have to have" item for me yet and I'm fine with what I've got. (I was only experimenting with the discount, etc.) But I have to admit the price was tempting. And I do have it on my "eventually want" list. Sorry you couldn't get one, russ3706. :(

As a side note, I double-checked my cart from earlier in the day, and the light was gone. Usually whatever I put in the cart stays there, even days later. For this item, them must have cleared all carts once it was sold out (or something along those lines -- maybe once an item actually sells out, their software just makes it unavailable or something).

I hear ya varuselli, I put it in my cart, tested out the coupon, couldnt get it to work so i called, got it all set up, then was going to put the order through first thing when i got home and doah!

Im pretty much in the same boat as you, i dont really have to have it as I'm pretty well lit now, though will eventually buy it. Its kind of a sticky situation as I'm going to eventually plop down a lot of money for it someday, but keep putting it off till I have a little bit more of a buffer to throw down that kind of money for it. While at the same time since I know I will eventually spend the money on it, why dont i just buy it now even at full price since the reason im buying it is for my own safety, cause im gonna be pretty PO'd if i get clipped at night or something, and be left wishing i would have just bought the darn thing earlier ya know... Ohhh my love for cycling, and cycling accessories, most notably lighting, and techy gadgets in general, it gets the best of me haha!

I just received my shipment and the Dinotte package from Nashbar includes the rechargeable batteries and charger as well as the new mounting post, extra O-rings, and straps. Wow does it throw a nice red beam!

I just received my shipment and the Dinotte package from Nashbar includes the rechargeable batteries and charger as well as the new mounting post, extra O-rings, and straps. Wow does it throw a nice red beam!

Dang those Nasbar product description writers (whoever they may be)!

Their site still says, "Batteries not included" for the tail light package. Sounds like somebody has goofed on the product description. (Part of the discussion on how good the deal was at Nashbar took into account whether or not rechargeable batteries were included in the package -- and the general answer seemed to have been "No," at least according to the Nashbar product description on the website. Granted, the cost of a set of four rechargeable batteries is not huge, but it's a bonus to know the set is there as part of what gets delivered.)

Out of curiosity, does the package you got include everything shown in the set of five photos on this page?

DiNotte Tail Light System at Bike Nashbar (http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=6000101&subcategory=60001068&brand=&sku=20356&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Shop%20by%20Subcat%3A%20Rear%20Lights)

Yeah it does, except the battery pack and charger are different. It comes with the 4 AA pack, and the charger is a wall socket 4 AA/AAA charger. They really do need to update the description. Why on earth would you include a charger but no batteries?

Yeah it does, except the battery pack and charger are different. It comes with the 4 AA pack, and the charger is a wall socket 4 AA/AAA charger. They really do need to update the description. Why on earth would you include a charger but no batteries?

Hey, thanks for clearing that up. Yeah, it did seem like there were a couple of discrepancies in the description and photos (especially since it seems that in the "from the manufacturer" package the batteries are included, so why not from the vendor? Didn't seem to make sense to have, like you say, charger but not batteries). I was even having a hard time reconciling in my own mind the differences between what Nashbar shows on their website and what DiNotte shows on their site in terms of "Here's What's Included in the Package" with the tail light system

It's not like it's a huge and devastating marketing gaff or anything ( :rolleyes: ), but in term of accuracy in describing the highest end tail light they sell (highest end by a LONG shot), it seems like there shouldn't be any mistakes about what's included.

In any case, enjoy your new light and may it help to keep you safe on the road... :)

Funny...I e-mailed Nashbar about the ad discrepancies with the DiNotte tail light and they e-mailed me back saying the info would be fixed sometime today. (They probably think I'm nuts for even bringing it up -- and maybe they're right... :rolleyes: ).

Funny...I e-mailed Nashbar about the ad discrepancies with the DiNotte tail light and they e-mailed me back saying the info would be fixed sometime today. (They probably think I'm nuts for even bringing it up -- and maybe they're right... :rolleyes: ).

Actually, you might be able to put quite a bit of pressure on them if you feel like it. They don't have a disclaimer on their website about items being reconfigured or varying from what is advertised, just about what happens if an item is back-ordered or otherwise unavailable, which means they have a truth in advertising violation. On top of that, depending on the shipping method you chose you may have gotten your light via USPS. That makes it mail fraud, which is a felony. Point this out to them and suggest that you would like them to make your order whole. Report them to the FTC if they don't.

Actually, you might be able to put quite a bit of pressure on them if you feel like it. They don't have a disclaimer on their website about items being reconfigured or varying from what is advertised, just about what happens if an item is back-ordered or otherwise unavailable, which means they have a truth in advertising violation. On top of that, depending on the shipping method you chose you may have gotten your light via USPS. That makes it mail fraud, which is a felony. Point this out to them and suggest that you would like them to make your order whole. Report them to the FTC if they don't.

Um, Nashbar is actually providing MORE than what is in the description. :rolleyes:

Actually, you might be able to put quite a bit of pressure on them if you feel like it. They don't have a disclaimer on their website about items being reconfigured or varying from what is advertised, just about what happens if an item is back-ordered or otherwise unavailable, which means they have a truth in advertising violation. On top of that, depending on the shipping method you chose you may have gotten your light via USPS. That makes it mail fraud, which is a felony. Point this out to them and suggest that you would like them to make your order whole. Report them to the FTC if they don't.

Not sure I want to take it quite that far... ;)

I just like to see accurate info on vendor sites so that I (and others) can make more well-informed decisions on possible purchases.

I wouldn't want to try and hold anything over Nashbar, who sure seems to be a great overall vendor. Lots of sales, lots of goodies to put on the wish list... ;)

Oh...just in case it's not really clear, I haven't actually made the purchase of the tail light in question. Just been keeping an eye on good deals for it (and Nashbar had a very good deal on the DiNotte tail light a few days ago). Can't say whether I would actually spend this much on a tail light, though (powerful and effective as it seems to be in what it does).

Yeah it does, except the battery pack and charger are different. It comes with the 4 AA pack, and the charger is a wall socket 4 AA/AAA charger. They really do need to update the description. Why on earth would you include a charger but no batteries?

By the way, Nashbar did indeed fix the description before the day was up after I e-mailed and asked them about it. (Now states that rechargeable batteries and charger included, but I don't know if the photo has been changed to show the right charger. At least the "batteries not included" statement has been fixed to say that they are indeed included.)