lyeinyoureye
09-13-07, 07:31 PM
Apologies if this is a repost, but it's just too kool fer skool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzE2WTEkHeg). :D
View Full Version : Living plane free...
bmclaughlin807
09-13-07, 08:07 PM
Apologies if this is a repost, but it's just too kool fer skool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzE2WTEkHeg). :D
That is pretty cool. :)
That is pretty cool. :)
Bowcyclist
09-13-07, 08:13 PM
Wicked!
The Historian
09-14-07, 05:32 AM
Wicked!
I'd hoped this was going to be a discussion of practical alternates to air travel. I've traveled by Amtrak when flying was more convenient simply because train travel is supposed to be 'greener.' That and I can move around on a train, rather than be strapped into an uncomfortable seat.
I'd hoped this was going to be a discussion of practical alternates to air travel. I've traveled by Amtrak when flying was more convenient simply because train travel is supposed to be 'greener.' That and I can move around on a train, rather than be strapped into an uncomfortable seat.
lyeinyoureye
09-14-07, 08:33 AM
Feel free to start a convo regarding all that if ya like... It's a fluff thread so just start typing, no worries.
Artkansas
09-14-07, 08:58 AM
Apologies if this is a repost, but it's just too kool fer skool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzE2WTEkHeg). :D
That was cool. It reminded me of Gallagher's pedal powered blimp the White Dwarf (http://home.teleport.com/~reedg/whitedwarf.html).
http://home.teleport.com/~reedg/Bill_Jeff.jpg
As for me, I'm not plane-free. It might be nicer to take the train, and I have between San Diego and Seattle. But my employer would not approve of taking 2-3 days to go from Little Rock to Santa Cruz.
That was cool. It reminded me of Gallagher's pedal powered blimp the White Dwarf (http://home.teleport.com/~reedg/whitedwarf.html).
http://home.teleport.com/~reedg/Bill_Jeff.jpg
As for me, I'm not plane-free. It might be nicer to take the train, and I have between San Diego and Seattle. But my employer would not approve of taking 2-3 days to go from Little Rock to Santa Cruz.
Platy
09-14-07, 09:32 AM
I'd hoped this was going to be a discussion of practical alternates to air travel. I've traveled by Amtrak when flying was more convenient simply because train travel is supposed to be 'greener.' That and I can move around on a train, rather than be strapped into an uncomfortable seat.
If you don't travel by air or private car in the U.S., welcome to the third world.
Amtrak, the U.S. passenger rail service, is a very comfortable riding experience. The coach seats are enormous and you can easily get up and walk around.
However, outside the Northeast region, Amtrak doesn't run on schedule. The trains are late about half the time. 3 hours late is typical. On the longer routes being a full day behind schedule is not uncommon. The only way to make Amtrak work is to constantly check for updated arrival information by telephone and to have a comfortable place to wait which is not too far from the rail station.
Greyhound, the major U.S. intercity bus service, runs on schedule but it's as uncomfortable as an airplane. A good sense of humor helps a lot. In general, Greyhound doesn't even come up to the level of comfort you experience with Mexican intercity bus services.
If you don't travel by air or private car in the U.S., welcome to the third world.
Amtrak, the U.S. passenger rail service, is a very comfortable riding experience. The coach seats are enormous and you can easily get up and walk around.
However, outside the Northeast region, Amtrak doesn't run on schedule. The trains are late about half the time. 3 hours late is typical. On the longer routes being a full day behind schedule is not uncommon. The only way to make Amtrak work is to constantly check for updated arrival information by telephone and to have a comfortable place to wait which is not too far from the rail station.
Greyhound, the major U.S. intercity bus service, runs on schedule but it's as uncomfortable as an airplane. A good sense of humor helps a lot. In general, Greyhound doesn't even come up to the level of comfort you experience with Mexican intercity bus services.
Bowcyclist
09-14-07, 09:54 AM
I'd hoped this was going to be a discussion of practical alternates to air travel. I've traveled by Amtrak when flying was more convenient simply because train travel is supposed to be 'greener.' That and I can move around on a train, rather than be strapped into an uncomfortable seat.
How is Amtrak these days? I wanted to go down to Seattle once, but the weekend service schedule was terrible. Only left Vancouver at 6PM, and only came back at 6 AM. Not very good options when you want a little weekend getaway...
How is Amtrak these days? I wanted to go down to Seattle once, but the weekend service schedule was terrible. Only left Vancouver at 6PM, and only came back at 6 AM. Not very good options when you want a little weekend getaway...
The Historian
09-14-07, 09:59 AM
How is Amtrak these days? I wanted to go down to Seattle once, but the weekend service schedule was terrible. Only left Vancouver at 6PM, and only came back at 6 AM. Not very good options when you want a little weekend getaway...
Service and trains were fine. Schedule was horrible. Philadelphia to Cleveland put me at The Mistake on The Lake at 4:00 AM. There's no daylight service to the city.
Service and trains were fine. Schedule was horrible. Philadelphia to Cleveland put me at The Mistake on The Lake at 4:00 AM. There's no daylight service to the city.
Cosmoline
09-14-07, 10:41 AM
Living in south central AK it's hard or impossible to find alternatives to the jets and planes. But on the plus side a bush plane requires vastly less infrastructure than a motor vehicle or train, and leaves little or no trace behind.
jamesdenver
09-14-07, 12:13 PM
Wow the humanity! That's pretty cool.
Unfortunately outside the NE most people who travel by train, (like my mom,) make the train their actual destination, with the city as an equal or secondary destination.
I won't use Amtrak. My vacation time is valuable and I won't spend unknown hours and days sitting in the middle of nowhere. (For the same reason I'll pay more money to avoid an airline connection/potential delay) Maybe someday I'll do the Surfliner up California, but again that will be a trip in itself.
Unfortunately living out west if I'm traveling beyond the mountains for a weekend jaunt to Santa Fe or somewhere relatively close (again out west) planes are MY only option.
Maybe someday, (I can dream) cities like L.A. / S.F., Vegas, L.A. will be connected with rail. Or a good example Chicago to midwest cities. Fly to Chicago, take rail to Grand Rapids or Detroit.
But I'll vote for and support anyone who proposes to build me a U.S. version of this:
http://www.futuregringo.com/munich/trainsinstationICE2.JPG
Unfortunately outside the NE most people who travel by train, (like my mom,) make the train their actual destination, with the city as an equal or secondary destination.
I won't use Amtrak. My vacation time is valuable and I won't spend unknown hours and days sitting in the middle of nowhere. (For the same reason I'll pay more money to avoid an airline connection/potential delay) Maybe someday I'll do the Surfliner up California, but again that will be a trip in itself.
Unfortunately living out west if I'm traveling beyond the mountains for a weekend jaunt to Santa Fe or somewhere relatively close (again out west) planes are MY only option.
Maybe someday, (I can dream) cities like L.A. / S.F., Vegas, L.A. will be connected with rail. Or a good example Chicago to midwest cities. Fly to Chicago, take rail to Grand Rapids or Detroit.
But I'll vote for and support anyone who proposes to build me a U.S. version of this:
http://www.futuregringo.com/munich/trainsinstationICE2.JPG
East Hill
09-14-07, 01:51 PM
An interesting concept here! I keep thinking it would be nice to visit the relatives in San Jose, and I would like to take the Coast Starlight. However (bearing in mind that this information is from Wikipedia):
"In recent years, the train has gained the nickname Coast Starlate due to its abysmal on-time record. From October 2005 through August 2006 the train delivered its passengers on-time only 2% of the time, with trains consistently running 5 to 11 hours behind schedule."
Unfortunately, I can attest to that miserable performance, by having met my brother and his older son at King Street Station over three hours late on the one time he got here by Amtrak.
But, if I'm not in a hurry, do I really care?
East Hill
"In recent years, the train has gained the nickname Coast Starlate due to its abysmal on-time record. From October 2005 through August 2006 the train delivered its passengers on-time only 2% of the time, with trains consistently running 5 to 11 hours behind schedule."
Unfortunately, I can attest to that miserable performance, by having met my brother and his older son at King Street Station over three hours late on the one time he got here by Amtrak.
But, if I'm not in a hurry, do I really care?
East Hill
Cosmoline
09-14-07, 02:07 PM
One problem is that in the US the freight trains have total priority over Amtrack.
Artkansas
09-14-07, 03:37 PM
One problem is that in the US the freight trains have total priority over Amtrack.
That happened because passenger service got out competed by cars and planes and the trains had to figure out how to survive. Freight was the only venue left.
I suspect that if there was enough demand that the situation could be reversed.
That happened because passenger service got out competed by cars and planes and the trains had to figure out how to survive. Freight was the only venue left.
I suspect that if there was enough demand that the situation could be reversed.
AllenG
09-14-07, 05:21 PM
Someone built a remake of Alberto Santos-Dumont's dirigible, nice. Santos-Dumont used to fly his as a commuter around paris, circa 1900ish.
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/Beginning_of_the_Dirigible/LTA6G6.jpg
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/Beginning_of_the_Dirigible/LTA6G6.jpg
I-Like-To-Bike
09-15-07, 06:03 AM
Someone built a remake of Alberto Santos-Dumont's dirigible, nice. Santos-Dumont used to fly his as a commuter around paris, circa 1900ish.
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/Beginning_of_the_Dirigible/LTA6G6.jpg
Repeated in the 1930's, same ship; not always so nice.
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/Beginning_of_the_Dirigible/LTA6G6.jpg
Repeated in the 1930's, same ship; not always so nice.
Dahon.Steve
09-15-07, 06:40 AM
But I'll vote for and support anyone who proposes to build me a U.S. version of this:
http://www.futuregringo.com/munich/trainsinstationICE2.JPG
I forgot out west, there is an Amtrak line that runs very well. How did they do it? The cities and states PAY for their service! That's the only way you're going to get good service is to pay for it.
The New York MTA costs the city hundreds of millions in losses. There's no way the government would pay for such a costly system. Amtrak can't afford to run those money losing lines out west if your state does not want to invest in building tracks.
http://www.futuregringo.com/munich/trainsinstationICE2.JPG
I forgot out west, there is an Amtrak line that runs very well. How did they do it? The cities and states PAY for their service! That's the only way you're going to get good service is to pay for it.
The New York MTA costs the city hundreds of millions in losses. There's no way the government would pay for such a costly system. Amtrak can't afford to run those money losing lines out west if your state does not want to invest in building tracks.
The Historian
09-15-07, 07:08 AM
I forgot out west, there is an Amtrak line that runs very well. How did they do it? The cities and states PAY for their service! That's the only way you're going to get good service is to pay for it.
The New York MTA costs the city hundreds of millions in losses. There's no way the government would pay for such a costly system. Amtrak can't afford to run those money losing lines out west if your state does not want to invest in building tracks.
In PA, Amtrak service is pretty good. The Commonwealth partly subsidizes the Philadelphia to Harrisburg and Pittsburgh routes. And the Northeast Corridor seems well run.
The New York MTA costs the city hundreds of millions in losses. There's no way the government would pay for such a costly system. Amtrak can't afford to run those money losing lines out west if your state does not want to invest in building tracks.
In PA, Amtrak service is pretty good. The Commonwealth partly subsidizes the Philadelphia to Harrisburg and Pittsburgh routes. And the Northeast Corridor seems well run.
AllenG
09-15-07, 02:12 PM
Repeated in the 1930's, same ship; not always so nice.
Not the very same ship; bit of comparing row boats to aircraft carriers. Also Santos-Dumont's ship was not coated in aluminum oxide.
Not the very same ship; bit of comparing row boats to aircraft carriers. Also Santos-Dumont's ship was not coated in aluminum oxide.
johann
09-16-07, 05:27 AM
But I'll vote for and support anyone who proposes to build me a U.S. version of this:
http://www.futuregringo.com/munich/trainsinstationICE2.JPG
Just make sure they allow bikes on board, the Deutsche Bahn's InterCityExpress high-speed trains do not have space for bikes on board. The normal trains do however, and it makes for great bike touring.
http://www.futuregringo.com/munich/trainsinstationICE2.JPG
Just make sure they allow bikes on board, the Deutsche Bahn's InterCityExpress high-speed trains do not have space for bikes on board. The normal trains do however, and it makes for great bike touring.
I-Like-To-Bike
09-16-07, 08:56 AM
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I-Like-To-Bike
09-16-07, 08:57 AM
Not the very same ship; bit of comparing row boats to aircraft carriers. Also Santos-Dumont's ship was not coated in aluminum oxide.
Same ship was displayed in my two pictures. Was your "row boat" filled with Hydrogen?
Same ship was displayed in my two pictures. Was your "row boat" filled with Hydrogen?
JunkyardWarrior
09-16-07, 10:22 AM
Originally Posted by AllenG http://www.bikeforums.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=5275437#post5275437)Not the very same ship; bit of comparing row boats to aircraft carriers. Also Santos-Dumont's ship was not coated in aluminum oxide.
"Same ship was displayed in my two pictures. Was your "row boat" filled with Hydrogen? "
it was the aluminum oxide that burned............jet fuel
"Same ship was displayed in my two pictures. Was your "row boat" filled with Hydrogen? "
it was the aluminum oxide that burned............jet fuel
I-Like-To-Bike
09-16-07, 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by AllenG http://www.bikeforums.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=5275437#post5275437)Not the very same ship; bit of comparing row boats to aircraft carriers. Also Santos-Dumont's ship was not coated in aluminum oxide.
"Same ship was displayed in my two pictures. Was your "row boat" filled with Hydrogen? "
it was the aluminum oxide that burned............jet fuel
Jet Fuel? Junk, You be confused. My pictures are of the Hindenburg. http://www.nlhs.com/hindenburg.htm
"Same ship was displayed in my two pictures. Was your "row boat" filled with Hydrogen? "
it was the aluminum oxide that burned............jet fuel
Jet Fuel? Junk, You be confused. My pictures are of the Hindenburg. http://www.nlhs.com/hindenburg.htm
bmclaughlin807
09-16-07, 01:06 PM
That happened because passenger service got out competed by cars and planes and the trains had to figure out how to survive. Freight was the only venue left.
I suspect that if there was enough demand that the situation could be reversed.
Yes, but there's no demand because they have a history of being so late all the time....
I suspect that if there was enough demand that the situation could be reversed.
Yes, but there's no demand because they have a history of being so late all the time....
bmclaughlin807
09-16-07, 01:34 PM
Jet Fuel? Junk, You be confused. My pictures are of the Hindenburg. http://www.nlhs.com/hindenburg.htm
He's referring to this:
Proponents point out that the coatings on the fabric contained both iron oxide and aluminum-impregnated cellulose acetate butyrate (CAB). These components are potentially reactive, even after fully setting. In fact, iron oxide and aluminum are sometimes used as components of solid rocket fuel or thermite. The propellant for the Space Shuttle solid rocket booster includes "aluminum (fuel, 16%), (and) iron oxide (a catalyst, 0.4%)."
He's referring to this:
Proponents point out that the coatings on the fabric contained both iron oxide and aluminum-impregnated cellulose acetate butyrate (CAB). These components are potentially reactive, even after fully setting. In fact, iron oxide and aluminum are sometimes used as components of solid rocket fuel or thermite. The propellant for the Space Shuttle solid rocket booster includes "aluminum (fuel, 16%), (and) iron oxide (a catalyst, 0.4%)."
Cosmoline
09-16-07, 04:46 PM
As I understand it, wind has been a vastly greater menace to airships and blimps than fire. The Hindenburn was something of a fluke.
The idea of smaller, cheaper blimps has been kicking around for awhile. Back in the early 90's there was a blimp company starting up in Oregon. A friend of mine went to work for them. They had some rough spots after wind-related accidents but they're still in operation. As fuel prices increase and it gets more and more expensive for municipal police departments and military units to field helicopters for surveilance the blimps have a role to play.
The idea of smaller, cheaper blimps has been kicking around for awhile. Back in the early 90's there was a blimp company starting up in Oregon. A friend of mine went to work for them. They had some rough spots after wind-related accidents but they're still in operation. As fuel prices increase and it gets more and more expensive for municipal police departments and military units to field helicopters for surveilance the blimps have a role to play.
tpelle
09-16-07, 08:38 PM
Someone built a remake of Alberto Santos-Dumont's dirigible, nice. Santos-Dumont used to fly his as a commuter around paris, circa 1900ish.
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/Beginning_of_the_Dirigible/LTA6G6.jpg
OK, here's a history question for y'all:
Where and when did Count Ferdinand Zeppelin take his first lighter-than-air vehicle ride? (No fair looking on Wikipedia.)
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/Beginning_of_the_Dirigible/LTA6G6.jpg
OK, here's a history question for y'all:
Where and when did Count Ferdinand Zeppelin take his first lighter-than-air vehicle ride? (No fair looking on Wikipedia.)
CrimsonEclipse
09-17-07, 04:16 PM
it was the aluminum oxide that burned............jet fuel
Um...aluminum oxide is NOT jet fuel.
The aluminum-impregnated cellulose acetate butyrate (CAB) on the covering, however
IS extremely flammable with the correct conditions. With the Hindenburg, improperly
grounded panels creating a spark in the vicinity of the hydrogen vent. Once the CAB ignites,
it burns furiously, and even more so with additional fuel (i.e. the H2)
Finally the Hindenburg did NOT explode, it burned. There is a difference.
Also, there is a difference between a blimp and dirigible. A blimp has no structure on the
gas bag except the fabric itself. A dirigible has an inside structure to maintain shape.
Back to the OP. If you hate cycling against a 15 knot wind (17.26 mph) you'll REALLY hate it
on that blimp. (it's still be fun)
CE
Um...aluminum oxide is NOT jet fuel.
The aluminum-impregnated cellulose acetate butyrate (CAB) on the covering, however
IS extremely flammable with the correct conditions. With the Hindenburg, improperly
grounded panels creating a spark in the vicinity of the hydrogen vent. Once the CAB ignites,
it burns furiously, and even more so with additional fuel (i.e. the H2)
Finally the Hindenburg did NOT explode, it burned. There is a difference.
Also, there is a difference between a blimp and dirigible. A blimp has no structure on the
gas bag except the fabric itself. A dirigible has an inside structure to maintain shape.
Back to the OP. If you hate cycling against a 15 knot wind (17.26 mph) you'll REALLY hate it
on that blimp. (it's still be fun)
CE
Robert C
09-18-07, 06:54 AM
Where and when did Count Ferdinand Zeppelin take his first lighter-than-air vehicle ride? (No fair looking on Wikipedia.)
On 2 July 1900 the LZ1 was launched from its floating hanger on Lake Brodensee by the village of Manzell, near Freidrichshafen with Count Zeppelin, His friend Baron Von Bassus, and engineer Fritz Burr in the front gondola. Explorer and journalist Eugen Wolf and Gross, a mechanic, boarder the rear gondola.
No, I did not look it up in Wikipedia. I just happened to have a copy of Douglas Botting's book "Dr. Eckener's Dream Machine" sitting on my desk.
On 2 July 1900 the LZ1 was launched from its floating hanger on Lake Brodensee by the village of Manzell, near Freidrichshafen with Count Zeppelin, His friend Baron Von Bassus, and engineer Fritz Burr in the front gondola. Explorer and journalist Eugen Wolf and Gross, a mechanic, boarder the rear gondola.
No, I did not look it up in Wikipedia. I just happened to have a copy of Douglas Botting's book "Dr. Eckener's Dream Machine" sitting on my desk.
tpelle
09-18-07, 05:46 PM
On 2 July 1900 the LZ1 was launched from its floating hanger on Lake Brodensee by the village of Manzell, near Freidrichshafen with Count Zeppelin, His friend Baron Von Bassus, and engineer Fritz Burr in the front gondola. Explorer and journalist Eugen Wolf and Gross, a mechanic, boarder the rear gondola.
No, I did not look it up in Wikipedia. I just happened to have a copy of Douglas Botting's book "Dr. Eckener's Dream Machine" sitting on my desk.
Nope! That's not it!
I was during the American Civil War, when he was a young German Army officer, and was attached to a Union Army headquarters as an observer (this was, and to some extent still is, a common practice). While on leave, he visited an experimental Union Army unit in St. Paul, MN, where the Union army was experimenting with helium balloons to lift artillery observers up over the lines to give them a higher vantage point. Zeppelin was given a ride, and from that point on was enthused over the military applications for lighter-than-air ships, but did not have the time or resources to indulge his interest until after his retirement from the army.
That's what I love about history - the connections!
No, I did not look it up in Wikipedia. I just happened to have a copy of Douglas Botting's book "Dr. Eckener's Dream Machine" sitting on my desk.
Nope! That's not it!
I was during the American Civil War, when he was a young German Army officer, and was attached to a Union Army headquarters as an observer (this was, and to some extent still is, a common practice). While on leave, he visited an experimental Union Army unit in St. Paul, MN, where the Union army was experimenting with helium balloons to lift artillery observers up over the lines to give them a higher vantage point. Zeppelin was given a ride, and from that point on was enthused over the military applications for lighter-than-air ships, but did not have the time or resources to indulge his interest until after his retirement from the army.
That's what I love about history - the connections!
Jerseysbest
09-19-07, 06:42 AM
Just make sure they allow bikes on board, the Deutsche Bahn's InterCityExpress high-speed trains do not have space for bikes on board. The normal trains do however, and it makes for great bike touring.
No bikes onboard Amtrak (unless you have a folding bike or that car has a bike rack, which I've never seen)
Tried setting a up a long distance bike ride from NJ to Baltimore but no way around the "no bike" policy on Amtrak, even though half the cars are usually empty.
No bikes onboard Amtrak (unless you have a folding bike or that car has a bike rack, which I've never seen)
Tried setting a up a long distance bike ride from NJ to Baltimore but no way around the "no bike" policy on Amtrak, even though half the cars are usually empty.
Gustavo
09-19-07, 09:15 AM
No bikes onboard Amtrak (unless you have a folding bike or that car has a bike rack, which I've never seen)
Tried setting a up a long distance bike ride from NJ to Baltimore but no way around the "no bike" policy on Amtrak, even though half the cars are usually empty.
There is a nobike policy on Swedish trains as well, but even given the absurdly small bagage spaces it's not hard to travel with bikes. I usually pick up a few black garbage bags (of the 150 litre variety) and some tape, remove the wheels and put the frame in one bag, two wheels in another. No one will know it's a bike!
Tried setting a up a long distance bike ride from NJ to Baltimore but no way around the "no bike" policy on Amtrak, even though half the cars are usually empty.
There is a nobike policy on Swedish trains as well, but even given the absurdly small bagage spaces it's not hard to travel with bikes. I usually pick up a few black garbage bags (of the 150 litre variety) and some tape, remove the wheels and put the frame in one bag, two wheels in another. No one will know it's a bike!
Jerseysbest
09-19-07, 10:44 AM
There is a nobike policy on Swedish trains as well, but even given the absurdly small bagage spaces it's not hard to travel with bikes. I usually pick up a few black garbage bags (of the 150 litre variety) and some tape, remove the wheels and put the frame in one bag, two wheels in another. No one will know it's a bike!
But there's bag size and weight limits to. Understandable if the train was packed, but they rarely are.
But there's bag size and weight limits to. Understandable if the train was packed, but they rarely are.
thebikeguy
10-03-07, 08:53 PM
They once sold these.If you can believe it.How'd you like to try one of these?
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s148/thebikeguyCCM/glide-o-bikead.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s148/thebikeguyCCM/glide-o-bikead.jpg
Robert C
10-03-07, 09:58 PM
The Chinese High-Speed train, also called the "D" Train
http://lh4.google.com/crawford.robert/RrbI6of7dWI/AAAAAAAAAaw/pg6_7ygWgsU/DSCF7589.JPG
There are no bicycles permitted on any Chinese trains or commuter buses. Most other Buses do not allow them either.
http://lh4.google.com/crawford.robert/RrbI6of7dWI/AAAAAAAAAaw/pg6_7ygWgsU/DSCF7589.JPG
There are no bicycles permitted on any Chinese trains or commuter buses. Most other Buses do not allow them either.
bike2math
10-04-07, 04:33 AM
I'll vote for anyone that wants to improve rail service (and has some sensible ideas for how to do it, like removing the tax advantages given to airlines etc). However I tried amtrak once, New England to Arizona. We got to Chicago fine, and it was great I had four hours to kick it around downtown Chicago before taking off for the southwest. We spent 12 hours stopped on one stretch of siding in Texas, arriving in Arizona a full day and a half behind schedule. To top it off they forgot to take off my bagage. I won't do it again unless I hear they have made some major changes.
MarkS
10-04-07, 03:47 PM
They once sold these.If you can believe it.How'd you like to try one of these?
Looks like good-ole American hucksterism, circa the early 20th century. It would be interesting to know if it worked at all, and if so, how far you could glide.
Looks like good-ole American hucksterism, circa the early 20th century. It would be interesting to know if it worked at all, and if so, how far you could glide.
cyclezealot
10-04-07, 03:50 PM
I wish it were possible to build the tunnel across the Bering Straight, then we could travel the globe via a train. Living for now overseas, one does not have a choice.
MarkS
10-04-07, 07:19 PM
I wish it were possible to build the tunnel across the Bering Straight, then we could travel the globe via a train. Living for now overseas, one does not have a choice.
The next best thing would be to travel via the Northwest passage which, thanks to global warming, became fully navigable for the first time ever this year:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6995999.stm
The next best thing would be to travel via the Northwest passage which, thanks to global warming, became fully navigable for the first time ever this year:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6995999.stm
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