Foo - Lifesaver water bottle

http://www.lifesaversystems.com/

Have any of you seen this bottle yet, from what I hear it is supposedly pretty good?

And if you have heard of it A LOT please don't hurt me. :(

:D:D:D:D

Steven

Doesn't come in tangerine.
Wonder if it'll spark when you crush it in your teeth (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_129.html).
^^^^
X--have you tired yet (having metal teeth and all)?

400 bucks?

The filter is nice and all, but I found its much cheaper to only put in clean water in the first place and skip all that filter junk. Besides...it's extra weight on the bike. :rolleyes:

there are much cheaper portable water filtration (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=portable+water+filtration&btnG=Google+Search) units on the market.

I was pointed at the site and never checked price, $400.00 seems a tad high, maybe they are a tad high. :)
I suppose for the uber rich this could do it.

Steven

It removes 99.9999% of bacteria...

It only takes 1 germ to make you sick it it gets a chance to multiply in your gut...

Also, it costs more than my bike is worth...

The idea is when you are in combat you no longer have to worry bout dipping you canteen in clean pools of H2O. Most bodies of water in combat have a wide varietiy of munitions, equiptment, oil and gas, not to mention the dead combatants and dead animals. That is why it is $400. Not meant to carry in your cage on a weekend ride.

Looks interesting, but seems a bit cost prohibitive. Unless you have a specific use, I'd have to agree with KT and simply start out with clean water.

US$400 is quite costly, but they claim a capacity of 4000 liters, which is pretty impressive. Still, you may not need all that capacity. More troubling is that the Lifesaver bottle is only a filter, not a purifier, so it's stretching the truth to say it produces sterile water. I much prefer to use a water purifier rather than a filter when water is needed in difficult circumstances.

There are many water purifiers available, but if you are looking for a very easy to use water-treatment-device-in-a-bottle, you may wish to consider the Katadyn Exstream Purifier. It's an actual water purifier, not a water filter, can make safe drinking water from practically any source, runs about US$50 and can treat 100 liters before the purifier insert needs replacement.

Any good backpacking store will have an assortment of water filters...all much cheaper and easier to carry than the one posted.

The idea is when you are in combat you no longer have to worry bout dipping you canteen in clean pools of H2O. Most bodies of water in combat have a wide varietiy of munitions, equiptment, oil and gas, not to mention the dead combatants and dead animals. That is why it is $400. Not meant to carry in your cage on a weekend ride.

It's 200 quid because they're marketing towards military application and probably charging the military 3 times that amount for a "harsh environment applications" model with an extra layer of rubber bumpers on the outside to make it different from the "civilian" model.

As for the filter vs. purifier argument... They claim 15nm filtration (or 0.15um) which is on par with laboratory filtration (0.22um) for sterility. I don't know what tech they're using to get 4000L of filtration at that purity, but it's possible if the filters don't clog up with all the grak you're filtering out.

:eek: Whats with the CYSTS!!

I never found a CYST in my water!!!

Fungi, floatees and bacteria most likely - but never a CYST!

:eek: Whats with the CYSTS!!

I never found a CYST in my water!!!

Fungi, floatees and bacteria most likely - but never a CYST!

Certain organisms use cysts to reproduce, especially in harsh environments because cysts can withstand drying.
Think of them like micro-organism 'seeds'.

Cryptosporidia and Giardia are two of the more common cystic microbes.

Yuck.

http://www.johnson-county.com/images/health/infDisease/germ.gif

Yuck.

http://www.johnson-county.com/images/health/infDisease/germ.gif

"Yuck" pays mah billz!

I always strain my water through an old t shirt I have worn for several days in the field. Adds a little flavor and if it dont kill you it makes you tougher.

I always strain my water through an old t shirt I have worn for several days in the field. Adds a little flavor and if it dont kill you it makes you tougher.

You should try using your underpants instead of a t-shirt.

yuk, that's gross!

For 30 dollars you can get a filter from Hydrastorm that will fit into your camelback hose. Dunk the bag in the river, screw in the cap, and drink away.

This sounds like about as good of an investment as pet rocks or fuel injector cleaning.

Certain organisms use cysts to reproduce, especially in harsh environments because cysts can withstand drying.
Think of them like micro-organism 'seeds'.

Cryptosporidia and Giardia are two of the more common cystic microbes.

oooh, both of those are fun....real fun. Especially when your on a trail, 50 miles from the nearest help.
Luckily iodine or chlorine pills will usually avoid these.

yuk, that's gross!

Mad flay-vah!

oooh, both of those are fun....real fun. Especially when your on a trail, 50 miles from the nearest help.

I used to work for a company where crypto and giardia were two of the biggest selling diagnostic kits we made. I got so tired of looking at fluorescing giardia cysts!

I used to work for a company where crypto and giardia were two of the biggest selling diagnostic kits we made. I got so tired of looking at fluorescing giardia cysts!

What were you looking in to find those cysts?
on second thought...don't answer that. :eek:

What were you looking in to find those cysts?
on second thought...don't answer that. :eek:

Microbiology ain't a pretty job.

I remember someplace selling a portable water system that did both particle filters and a UV light, and it used rechargable lithium ion batteries. You hand pumped water in.

Not sure if this type of portable water filter exists anymore, but UV fries the germs quite well.

i'm a tad bit suspicious that every statistic they cite on the main page always gets a 99.99999% rating.*

of course, i'm a tad bit suspicious of a lot of things.

*i didn't look past the first page so i may be off here.

All it takes is one cyst to make it through... ugh.

In nasty environments, I'd consider filtering, then using a chlorine, then chlorine neutralizer tablet.

I remember someplace selling a portable water system that did both particle filters and a UV light, and it used rechargable lithium ion batteries. You hand pumped water in.

Not sure if this type of portable water filter exists anymore, but UV fries the germs quite well.

UV is good for sterilization, but you have to make sure that the wavelength and intensity are correct. Plus, you need to know that the UV source (bulb) hasn't been damaged while in your pack, and they're not the most durable of things.

The MiOx brine-pen is pretty good right now, so are peroxidizing tablets, iodine, and chlorine drops. They taste a little funny, but they work.

The 99.99999 claim is the standard USP purity claim for sterile water.

UV is good for sterilization, but you have to make sure that the wavelength and intensity are correct. Plus, you need to know that the UV source (bulb) hasn't been damaged while in your pack, and they're not the most durable of things.

The MiOx brine-pen is pretty good right now, so are peroxidizing tablets, iodine, and chlorine drops. They taste a little funny, but they work.

The 99.99999 claim is the standard USP purity claim for sterile water.

the only problem with MiOx that I can tell, is who needs to purify 130 liters (if memory serves correctly) at a time. This is great if your in the woods with an entire platoon or boy scout troop, but if your just a lone hiker, that's a butt load of water.

the only problem with MiOx that I can tell, is who needs to purify 130 liters (if memory serves correctly) at a time. This is great if your in the woods with an entire platoon or boy scout troop, but if your just a lone hiker, that's a butt load of water.

You can do up to 130L at once with a MiOx system, but you don't have to. The MiOx pen is a backpacker's system that's designed on a click-button system. You click the button based on the nubmer of litres you're purifying, and it makes the appropriate amount of briney junk to dump into it. I think it works for as little as 500mL.

You can do up to 130L at once with a MiOx system, but you don't have to. The MiOx pen is a backpacker's system that's designed on a click-button system. You click the button based on the nubmer of litres you're purifying, and it makes the appropriate amount of briney junk to dump into it. I think it works for as little as 500mL.

I'll have to check into it again then. I plan on thru-hiking the A.T. in about 3 years. I really like this system, I just wasn't keen on that much water at one time. The unit itself costs about $130 US, but it runs off a couple CR123 batteries and regular table salt, so operating costs will be dirt cheap.

I'll have to check into it again then. I plan on thru-hiking the A.T. in about 3 years. I really like this system, I just wasn't keen on that much water at one time. The unit itself costs about $130 US, but it runs off a couple CR123 batteries and regular table salt, so operating costs will be dirt cheap.

Having read up about this, there's one big issue I've got: You need to rinse the threads and cap with clean water once you've purified. The very act of dipping your drinking resi into a dirty water source opens up the channels to every contaminant out there.
I'm a big fan of my MSR Sweetwater pump filter. It's got a pre-filter screen for those algae-bloom swamps that you might need to filter from, and I bought an additional prefilter paper cartridge for things like tannin particulates which tend to clog the ceramic main filter. There's even a bottletop attachment to connect it directly to Nalgene bottles and Camelbak bladders. $65, and the maintenance is dirt cheap: Take the brush (included) and scrub the filter if it gets clogged.