Foo - Woman Tasered Numerous Times by Warren Police Officer

I'm surprised there isn't already a topic about this:

Officer On Leave After Woman Tasered (http://www.wytv.com/video/9883612.html)
Woman Tasered Update (http://www.wytv.com/video/9905007.html)
Taser Follow Up (http://www.wytv.com/video/9925957.html)
Attorney seeks BCI probe into stun-gun incident (http://www.vindy.com/content/local_regional/291891235416836.php)
Watch Gill describe the Taser treatment (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/26/tasered.woman/#cnnSTCVideo)
Tasered Ohio Woman Describes Agony (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/25/national/main3294648.shtml?source=mostpop_story)
The Woman Who Was Tasered Appears In Court (http://www.wytv.com/news/local/10798706.html)

I searched for one to no avail. If this is already being discussed, please point me to that topic and lock this one. I'll put in my two cents after I hear a few opinions here.

I'm surprised there isn't already a topic about this:

Officer On Leave After Woman Tasered (http://www.wytv.com/video/9883612.html)
Woman Tasered Update (http://www.wytv.com/video/9905007.html)
Taser Follow Up (http://www.wytv.com/video/9925957.html)

I searched for one to no avail. If this is already being discussed, please point me to that topic and lock this one. I'll put in my two cents after I hear a few opinions here.


In P&R there is a reference to it, but it is my understanding you can't use search function for P&R stuff.

It is thread like "SS Hillbully". It will be a short stay in foo before this thread is moved.

Yet another horrible injustice against a poor innocent victim who, I'm sure, wasn't in the least bit drunk out of her mind or doing anything wrong at all.

I really don't envy police officers for the crap they have to put up with.

Hmmm, didn't even think to look in P&R, because I can't see how it would fall under that category. Did a search there anyway for "taser" and it came back nil. http://www.ornery.net/images/shrug.gif

Yeah....that officer is gonna be out of a job very soon. Officers like that make my job very hard.

Hmmm, didn't even think to look in P&R, because I can't see how it would fall under that category. Did a search there anyway for "taser" and it came back nil. http://www.ornery.net/images/shrug.gif


You can not 'search' in P&R.

Gottcha. I did find the "HillBully" thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=5317441#post5317441) and posted there. Still not clear why it falls under P&R, but oh well...

Wow.

I think tasers are becoming horribly overused. They cause excruciating pain, and short of believing that someone will cause you or others great bodily harm and/or death, I don't believe there is an excuse for using them. They amount to cruel (but yes, these days usual) punishment otherwise. A friend of mine was almost tasered when he was a teen for turning his back on a cop. Not running, turning his back, so the guy draws down on him and threatens to tase him. And it's not like they could have been worried about weapons because he was in jail for being out 5 minutes past the curfew and had been searched.

I am an advocate for taser use reform laws at the federal level. The police are becoming largely out of hand with them. Every time you look at the news there is another story of taser abuse.

Clearly a terrorist who has lost all Constitutional rights. :rolleyes: Farkin' fat-assed pig bumbaclot!

They cause excruciating pain...

And yet, people STILL don't comply. I'd think if I got zapped (or even threatened to get zapped), and a cop said, "Stay on the ground, and put your hands behind your back." I'd stay on the ground, and put my hands behind my back! But, that's just me...

Poor lady probably missed choir practice for the next few mornings.

They cause excruciating pain...

And yet, people STILL don't comply. I'd think if I got zapped (or even threatened to get zapped), and a cop said, "Stay on the ground, and put your hands behind your back." I'd stay on the ground, and put my hands behind my back! But, that's just me...

One would think, but that totally ruins the premise of the evil villain cop tasering an inncocent victim. Truth, rational thought, and both sides of the story are seldom welcome in the press.

I think tasers are becoming horribly overused. They cause excruciating pain, and short of believing that someone will cause you or others great bodily harm and/or death, I don't believe there is an excuse for using them. They amount to cruel (but yes, these days usual) punishment otherwise. A friend of mine was almost tasered when he was a teen for turning his back on a cop. Not running, turning his back, so the guy draws down on him and threatens to tase him. And it's not like they could have been worried about weapons because he was in jail for being out 5 minutes past the curfew and had been searched.

I am an advocate for taser use reform laws at the federal level. The police are becoming largely out of hand with them. Every time you look at the news there is another story of taser abuse.

+1.
Police have far too much power and unnaccountability today.
People are still under the impression that police are all Mayberry RFD.
There is a reason hundereds of pages come up under a 'police abuse'
search on Google...No, lemme guess, its all a conspiracy against the
good guys :rolleyes:
Get pulled in Vermont, Georgia or Johnson City Tenn., for example and
see if you if you still think police are all episodes of COPS on FOX

How Not To Get Your Azz Kicked By The Cops (http://my.break.com/Media/View.aspx?ContentID=100285)

+1.
Police have far too much power and unnaccountability today.
People are still under the impression that police are all Mayberry RFD.
There is a reason hundereds of pages come up under a 'police abuse'
search on Google...No, lemme guess, its all a conspiracy against the
good guys :rolleyes:
Get pulled in Vermont, Georgia or Johnson City Tenn., for example and
see if you if you still think police are all episodes of COPS on FOX

I'll be the last one to say that police have never done anything wrong--certainly there are plenty of cases of legit abuse out there. but I'm guessing that the hundreds of pages on Google (a reliable, unbiased resource if ever there was) have a fair percentage of people who were "abused" by police because they were being apprehended and were too drunk/high/belligerent/etc. to actually do as they were told.

I'm guessing if you spent a day or two with your life constantly in danger you might actually consider that there may actually be two sides to the story.

I'll be the last one to say that police have never done anything wrong--certainly there are plenty of cases of legit abuse out there. but I'm guessing that the hundreds of pages on Google (a reliable, unbiased resource if ever there was) have a fair percentage of people who were "abused" by police because they were being apprehended and were too drunk/high/belligerent/etc. to actually do as they were told.

I'm guessing if you spent a day or two with your life constantly in danger you might actually consider that there may actually be two sides to the story.

I would venture to say that if one posted a poll in BF asking who had been 'abused' by the police, including a solid definition of what 'abused' means, one would probably find that the old ten percent rule applies. 10% of BF will have been abused by the 10% of cops who shouldn't be cops.

They cause excruciating pain...

And yet, people STILL don't comply. I'd think if I got zapped (or even threatened to get zapped), and a cop said, "Stay on the ground, and put your hands behind your back." I'd stay on the ground, and put my hands behind my back! But, that's just me...

Never having had the chance to ride the lightening in that manner. I'd imagine it's kind of difficult to comply with much, especially something as specific as "put your hands behind your back" as you are be lit up. I'd hazard to guess that your hands are going to go where they damn well please. Most of these over use situations occur with the victim on the ground, the cop zapping the hell out of them screaming "Put your hands behind your back!". Gee, I'm sorry officer, I'd love to comply but I've just been zapped and I can't do a thing with my hair.

Anyone want to volunteer as a test subject to confirm or disprove my theory?

I would venture to say that if one posted a poll in BF asking who had been 'abused' by the police, including a solid definition of what 'abused' means, one would probably find that the old ten percent rule applies. 10% of BF will have been abused by the 10% of cops who shouldn't be cops.

I'd take that bet...

I'll be the last one to say that police have never done anything wrong--certainly there are plenty of cases of legit abuse out there. but I'm guessing that the hundreds of pages on Google (a reliable, unbiased resource if ever there was) have a fair percentage of people who were "abused" by police because they were being apprehended and were too drunk/high/belligerent/etc. to actually do as they were told.

I'm guessing if you spent a day or two with your life constantly in danger you might actually consider that there may actually be two sides to the story.

How do you know I dont ?
There are two sides . The lying Im a bully with a new toy side,
and the Im a drunk 105lb female getting beat up by the bully with a new toy side.
It takes a certain personality to need to make a life career out of imposing authority
on people. That personality is also prone to abusing that authority.
CNN has the video. The actions of the psycho-cop are indefensible by any standard.

"Put your hands behind your back, I'm not gonna tell you again..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycsQe1F-sE)

"Get out of the car or I'm going to taze you..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUcIxSv_4Lo&mode=related&search=)

"Get on your stomach, put your arms out..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J9_Xcs0Tho)

"Put your hands behind your back..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSG19c3elhQ)

"Put your hands behind your back, I'm not gonna tell you again..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycsQe1F-sE)

But what right does an apprehending police officer have to tell someone what to do? ATTICA! ATTICA!

:rolleyes:

http://www.nbc15online.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=236313@video.wpmi.com

You can do this all day.......

Anyone want to volunteer as a test subject to confirm or disprove my theory?


Through my own stupidity, the stupidity of others, and just plain accidents I have been shocked on jobsites more times that I can remember. When you really catch a full dose of current, you lose control of that part of your body, just like you say.

Police typically are trained to tell subjects to put their hands out or whatever after they stop shocking them. Tasers can be shut off by pressing a button, even before the 5 seconds is up, or 30 seconds if its a civilian taser. Of course many in the heat of the moment or due to ignorance forget to turn it off before barking orders. Frankly I don't mind that so much.

It's the cops that tase people for the littlest things when patience and polite talking would get the job done that bug me. Like those idiots who tased that obnoxious little prick in Florida at the John Kerry speech at a the university, even though he violated no laws and John Kerry asked that he be allowed to speak. I believe jail time is appropriate for when cops get out of line like that. Serious force for opening your mouth and not threatening anyone in any manner should be felonious assault.

Warren, MI has a unique feature: it's filled with people who've fled Detroit. Detroit was a corrupt and violent place long before the the social upheavles that began in 1967. I've known plenty of people who have tangled with police from Detroit and her suburbs, have done nothing wrong, and have come out brutalized in one way or another. My great-uncle lived in Warren most of his life and ran a service station/towing business. He worked with the Warren Police a lot and had good relations with them. He told all his grandchildren and great nieces and nephews to go out of our way avoid them. Don't speed in Warren, don't play loud music in Warren, don't get the police's attention in Warren. He said he "knew them". I remember the police radio in their kitchen, and I'm sure he heard plenty.

Given all that history, I wouldn't be surprised by anything some of them might be up to now that tasers are all the rage.

It's the cops that tase people for the littlest things when patience and polite talking would get the job done that bug me.

+1 Also, in both the cited videos cited, each of the respective cops had the opportunity to restrain (cuff) the subject immediately following the first taser shot, but continued using it as an attempt to modify their behavior into submissiveness and obedience, rather than restraining them via fastest means possible. Note that the highway patrolman in the second video finally ceased trying to gain obedience and finally made physical contact to restrain the subject...he shoulda done that after the first shot.

Indeed, why was the taser required at all? Neither subject looked like a match for a well-trained cop. Perhaps the fear of liability has made cops hesitant to apply physical force? Or perhaps both of these officers were either unsure of their own abilities, or just plain too lazy because they now have the crutch of a taser. If they hadn't had the taser, what would they have done? Shot them? Let them go?

Warren, MI has a unique feature:

That may be, but this was in Warren, Ohio, near Youngstown, where corruption is SOP. ;)

+1 Also, in both the cited videos cited, each of the respective cops had the opportunity to restrain (cuff) the subject immediately following the first taser shot, but continued using it as an attempt to modify their behavior into submissiveness and obedience, rather than restraining them via fastest means possible. Note that the highway patrolman in the second video finally ceased trying to gain obedience and finally made physical contact to restrain the subject...he shoulda done that after the first shot.

Indeed, why was the taser required at all? Neither subject looked like a match for a well-trained cop. Perhaps the fear of liability has made cops hesitant to apply physical force? Or perhaps both of these officers were either unsure of their own abilities, or just plain too lazy because they now have the crutch of a taser. If they hadn't had the taser, what would they have done? Shot them? Let them go?

Something to be said for the "crutch" theory, I think.

There is another side to this story, and once you've been on it you'll never think the same way about people again. I've gotta say, I'll zap the **** out of anybody before I wrestle them to the ground and throw them out or turn them over to my officers. People in security and law enforcement who fight fair end up dead.

Something to be said for the "crutch" theory, I think.

Better than shooting them or letting them just go on their way, yes, but soon it becomes the 'easy' way rather than using all those soft-skills to do your job without resorting to violence. Think of it as a lightweight motorized assist for your bike...it might make climbing easier, but will it make you a better climber? ;)

There is another side to this story, and once you've been on it you'll never think the same way about people again. I've gotta say, I'll zap the **** out of anybody before I wrestle them to the ground and throw them out or turn them over to my officers. People in security and law enforcement who fight fair end up dead.

Who said anything about fighting fair? When it comes to a fight you do what you gotta do to prevail. What separates the good cops/security/bouncers from the so-so variety is the ability to resolve a situation without it coming to a fight in the first place. I didn't see much of a fight in either of those two videos.

And yes, I have been 'on it'.

That may be, but this was in Warren, Ohio, near Youngstown, where corruption is SOP. ;)
Geez, I can't believe I missed the Ohio part. :o I do think these tasers simply flesh out problems in police departments that were there all along. Even in Portland, we've had our share of difficulties. What happened to this guy (http://jameschasse.blogspot.com/2007/09/one-year-later-what-has-city-learned.html) all started when a police officer suspected that he might be urinating in public.

Never having had the chance to ride the lightening in that manner. I'd imagine it's kind of difficult to comply with much, especially something as specific as "put your hands behind your back" as you are be lit up. I'd hazard to guess that your hands are going to go where they damn well please. Most of these over use situations occur with the victim on the ground, the cop zapping the hell out of them screaming "Put your hands behind your back!". Gee, I'm sorry officer, I'd love to comply but I've just been zapped and I can't do a thing with my hair.

Anyone want to volunteer as a test subject to confirm or disprove my theory?

It's a pain compliance tool. While the current is on, you are unable to do much of anything. After it's off, unless you're under the influence (drunk out of your mind), you should be motivated to do as you are told in order to avoid another jolt.

I was a voluntary test subject with a similar device, a stun gun, as part of a handgun self defense instructor course several years ago. Most of the students were active duty cops, I was not. The purpose of this particular drill was to show how to defend against an attack with a stun gun. We were zapped with a full power charge (50K volts) and then had to draw and fire at a target 15 feet away. Everyone was able to successfully engage the target, indeed, some shot better after being zapped.

I learned from this:
1, Getting zapped hurts and makes you very angry.
2, While the current is on, you can do nothing but feel the pain.
3, After the current is off, your cognitive abilities and fine-motor skills are not adversely affected.

I would say, as an experienced zappee, that a person will not have any difficulty at all in complying with any command such as "put your hands behind your back". You are only disabled while the power is on. How you respond to lawful commands while drunk is another matter.

I won't comment on whether or not the actions of the cop in the incident shown in the YouTube clip were justified without knowing the whole story.

Where are the white civil rights leaders?

Those videos are quite upsetting.

Where are the white civil rights leaders?

You mean these guys? No thanks.
http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/0/07/Neo-nazi-35305.jpg

Those videos are quite upsetting.

Hah! You ain't seen nuthin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kleyKs9ywQ0)

Hah! You ain't seen nuthin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kleyKs9ywQ0)

and you thought pics of me as the Assos girl were a woody-kill! :lol:

I think tasers are becoming horribly overused. They cause excruciating pain, and short of believing that someone will cause you or others great bodily harm and/or death, I don't believe there is an excuse for using them. They amount to cruel (but yes, these days usual) punishment otherwise. A friend of mine was almost tasered when he was a teen for turning his back on a cop. Not running, turning his back, so the guy draws down on him and threatens to tase him. And it's not like they could have been worried about weapons because he was in jail for being out 5 minutes past the curfew and had been searched.

I am an advocate for taser use reform laws at the federal level. The police are becoming largely out of hand with them. Every time you look at the news there is another story of taser abuse.

Not to mention create lazy police work. Whatever happened to a cop detaining someone with all that physical training they go through.

While I normally support police, this guy needs to be fired.

It's a pain compliance tool. While the current is on, you are unable to do much of anything. After it's off, unless you're under the influence (drunk out of your mind), you should be motivated to do as you are told in order to avoid another jolt.

I was a voluntary test subject with a similar device, a stun gun, as part of a handgun self defense instructor course several years ago. Most of the students were active duty cops, I was not. The purpose of this particular drill was to show how to defend against an attack with a stun gun. We were zapped with a full power charge (50K volts) and then had to draw and fire at a target 15 feet away. Everyone was able to successfully engage the target, indeed, some shot better after being zapped.

I learned from this:
1, Getting zapped hurts and makes you very angry.
2, While the current is on, you can do nothing but feel the pain.
3, After the current is off, your cognitive abilities and fine-motor skills are not adversely affected.

I would say, as an experienced zappee, that a person will not have any difficulty at all in complying with any command such as "put your hands behind your back". You are only disabled while the power is on. How you respond to lawful commands while drunk is another matter.

I won't comment on whether or not the actions of the cop in the incident shown in the YouTube clip were justified without knowing the whole story.

And one of these days, after we see too many of these thugs in uniform, they're going to taser the wrong person one time too many in a situation like the OP. They'll taze someone who is armed and after a couple of times, the guy will be able to rightfully fear for his life and if the lazy cop didn't search him, draw his weapon and fight back. Or the taze-ee will be someone trained in martial arts or something; maybe a special forces guy and will fight back seriously injuring or killing the offending cop.

It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out. The cops will, of course, close ranks and charge murder. The taze-ee will claim that he or she was in fear for their life and acted appropriately.

If the guy is convicted, the cops will get more brazen. If acquitted, who knows what the system will do (cops, prosecutors and legislature) in reaction. Dashcams suddenly become unavailable or erased? Laws that say you can never contradict a police officer (beyond the resisting and failure to obey ones on the books now)?

It's going to happen one of these days. The fallout will be interesting to watch!

Hold on, hold on. Doesn't anyone else find this to be the least appealing of news person mug shots?
http://images.bimedia.net/designimages/wytv_new_header.jpg

Hold on, hold on. Doesn't anyone else find this to be the least appealing of news person mug shots?
http://images.bimedia.net/designimages/wytv_new_header.jpg

Hehe... I think we all know where Stan Boney got his on-camera debut...

Hehe... I think we all know where Stan Boney got his on-camera debut...

I wonder what Angie Shaker shakes?

I wonder what Angie Shaker shakes?

Something straight with a point?

Through my own stupidity, the stupidity of others, and just plain accidents I have been shocked on jobsites more times that I can remember. When you really catch a full dose of current, you lose control of that part of your body, just like you say.

Police typically are trained to tell subjects to put their hands out or whatever after they stop shocking them. Tasers can be shut off by pressing a button, even before the 5 seconds is up, or 30 seconds if its a civilian taser. Of course many in the heat of the moment or due to ignorance forget to turn it off before barking orders. Frankly I don't mind that so much.

It's the cops that tase people for the littlest things when patience and polite talking would get the job done that bug me. Like those idiots who tased that obnoxious little prick in Florida at the John Kerry speech at a the university, even though he violated no laws and John Kerry asked that he be allowed to speak. I believe jail time is appropriate for when cops get out of line like that. Serious force for opening your mouth and not threatening anyone in any manner should be felonious assault.

Yea, I saw that one too. Total BS by the cops. Got to admit I thought the clip was funny as hell even though the cops were completely out of line and should get fired for what they did.

I would say, as an experienced zappee, that a person will not have any difficulty at all in complying with any command such as "put your hands behind your back". You are only disabled while the power is on. How you respond to lawful commands while drunk is another matter.Assuming they have the same emotional response to getting zapped that you did. Causing pain will not always induce compliance. In fact, it may make things worse if used inappropriately, i.e. with someone who feels they are complying or not willfully disobeying to some extent.

In fact, it may make things worse if used inappropriately, i.e. with someone who feels they are complying or not willfully disobeying to some extent.

I'm with Skiahh on this. As twisted as it may sound, I think it's going to be great when some cop loses his or her life for unlawfully tasing someone or attempting to tase someone who has the gumption to fight back when unlawfully attacked. It's long overdue to happen. I only hope such a case makes it to the USSC.

I wonder what Angie Shaker shakes?

Stan Boney?

I'm with Skiahh on this. As twisted as it may sound, I think it's going to be great when some cop loses his or her life for unlawfully tasing someone or attempting to tase someone who has the gumption to fight back when unlawfully attacked. It's long overdue to happen. I only hope such a case makes it to the USSC.

Its going to be great hugh..?? Unbelievable, kinda wish is was your mom or dad who was that cop you wish it on....