Classic & Vintage - We lost another soul today to plastic frame nirvana

A fellow acquaintence I often run into at the pub today said he bought a carbon fiber Felt. He says it is a much faster bike than anything steel. He also said modern tubular glues don't hold as safe as they used to. I do believe that he is full of BS on the glue. I also know that he is faster on a lighter bike. Big whoop. He also said that my old campy record hubs werent worth any money because they were tubular. Hah!

He has no fear of a top tube separation or cracked frame. He paid a mere 1500 for the cookie bike. What a sad loss. His vintage enthusiasm died when he bought carbon. He sold his soul to the plastic worshipping fools...

I don't care how good or light the material is there is no point. A plastic bike can't be recycled into anything other than waste...A crappy carbolite peugeot on the other hand can still be scrapped for something useful. Steel is real and anybody who rides carbon is fake. Let the carbon riders go home to plastic trophy wives...

I will take natural beauty and the alloy of humankind to lead me into generations of cycling without fear of top tube failure. A plastic fork will steer me away from salvation.

May all the carbon riders on the road be damned with top tube failure. The guy went on to tell me about his riding budding cracking multiple carbon cranksets. He also said that old Suntour wasn't as tough as old campy...

Man some people are so full of it! He also told me I paid too much for my soon to be fillet brazed bicycle.

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http://nostalgic.net/arc/pre1920/1869%20Ice%20Velocipede.jpg

I'm still upset about the switch to safety bicycles!

http://www.schwinnbike.com/heritage/attachment.php?attachmentid=62817

Tires stayed on ...

I still drive a model T because it's wood frame is far lighter than today's metal frames! Also the drive *belt* saves on weight compared to modern driveshafts, along with lighter wheels, I can smoke you!

A fellow acquaintence I often run into at the pub today said he bought a carbon fiber Felt. He says it is a much faster bike than anything steel. He also said modern tubular glues don't hold as safe as they used to. I do believe that he is full of BS on the glue. I also know that he is faster on a lighter bike. Big whoop. He also said that my old campy record hubs werent worth any money because they were tubular. Hah!

He has no fear of a top tube separation or cracked frame. He paid a mere 1500 for the cookie bike. What a sad loss. His vintage enthusiasm died when he bought carbon. He sold his soul to the plastic worshipping fools...

I don't care how good or light the material is there is no point. A plastic bike can't be recycled into anything other than waste...A crappy carbolite peugeot on the other hand can still be scrapped for something useful. Steel is real and anybody who rides carbon is fake. Let the carbon riders go home to plastic trophy wives...

I will take natural beauty and the alloy of humankind to lead me into generations of cycling without fear of top tube failure. A plastic fork will steer me away from salvation.

May all the carbon riders on the road be damned with top tube failure. The guy went on to tell me about his riding budding cracking multiple carbon cranksets. He also said that old Suntour wasn't as tough as old campy...

Man some people are so full of it! He also told me I paid too much for my soon to be fillet brazed bicycle.

I love lugged steel, and my fillet brazed Schwinn SS, but I also love my carbon bike, I guess Im going to hell :( ;)

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z284/Steebler/DSC00082.jpg?t=1190603282

heh, I like how the support bike car guy is in the background getting a new bike off the roof for him, yeah I think hes gonna need it!

No problem, more steel for the rest of us.

So he lost his enthusiasm for vintage steel? Has he got anything of interest he wants to sell?

No problem, more steel for the rest of us.

But how many can we ride at a time?

-Kurt

I'd bet the vast majority of steel bikes end up in the landfill right along with the "plastic" bikes.

- Mark

Guys - do a search on SoreFeet's posting history before replying.

Don't feed the troll.

I can't believe you're on a computer and not telegraphing your message out via Morse code.

(OK, if that's not funny I have another involving smoke signals).

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No big deal, it looks like the cables held it together.

I still drive a model T because it's wood frame is far lighter than today's metal frames! Also the drive *belt* saves on weight compared to modern driveshafts, along with lighter wheels, I can smoke you!

You could always buy a Morgan, they still like wood.

I actually own a 30 speed cf bike. When I am going for a long, hilly ride, I pull out the plastic. The rest of the time I prefer old steel. In truth, my Hetchins is only 2 lbs. more than my Trek. Since it only has 1 bottle holder, I save a pound there. If I exchanged saddles, the weight would be about the same.

You both would go faster if you stayed out of the pub.

http://nostalgic.net/arc/pre1920/1869%20Ice%20Velocipede.jpg

I'm still upset about the switch to safety bicycles!

:roflmao:

I can't believe you're on a computer and not telegraphing your message out via Morse code.

Here's SoreFeet at the keyboard:

http://www.computersciencelab.com/ComputerHistory/HtmlHelp/Images2/eniac3.gif

You both would go faster if you stayed out of the pub.

+1.:roflmao:

...A plastic fork will steer me away from salvation....
...and...
Thou shall not have any other bikes before thee.

So he lost his enthusiasm for vintage steel? Has he got anything of interest he wants to sell?


That's the proper attitude!

I don't see how getting one CF bike can make you lose the love.

I love riding CF, I love brifters. I love hot dual suspension mountain bikes with disc brakes. But those don't take away anything from my steel bikes. Playa!

Hey, I love old steel but I also have a carbon fiber bike. Granted, it's not like most:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/lamplightsg/002.jpg

:p

...Man some people are so full of it.......

Indeed. ;)

I have a carbon Look with all the CF bells and whistles--- and still find that I ride my steel fixed gears more often. I went the other direction, however--- was fed up with all the crazy "technological innovations" and returned to simpler roots.

I'm not the world's biggest carbonfan, but

1) I've got a carbon fork on my Colnago Master (my 'hill bike', my only one with modern components and a triple) - rammed into a tree once downhill (avoiding a dog, as you do...) and the only 'failures' were to myself.
2) I prefer the aesthetics of most carbonframes to that of most aluminumframes any day.
3) I still prefer steel in every respect of course; one should just keep an open mind, I think.

Just my 2 cents, of course.

LOL. I think I'll just get myself ready and go and ride my obsolete real steel road bike while you guys spend the day looking at jpegs of plastic bikes.

I still feel guilty for occassionally whippin' out the Cannondale for a ride!!

Every other bike I own is steel...you should see how they look at me when I come home from a ride on the 'dale.....if looks could kill....

Carbon Fiber? Won't touch the stuff.

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Yeah cause steel never fails.

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This thread makes me want to go get a modern bike.

I've got carbon fibre, aluminum and steel frames. My bicycles cover a period of over 40 years. Each have their endearing aspects and being able to select from such a wide variety makes you more sensitive to, and appreciative of, their various traits. In fact, were not for financial and space considerations, I'd have an even wider selection.

Disclaimer: This logic does not apply to spouses or significant others.

Yeah cause steel never fails.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/253271159_58fd12b06b.jpg

What happened to that? Wrong-way cyclist head-on?

-Kurt

Yeah cause steel never fails.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/253271159_58fd12b06b.jpg

Steel doesn't fail suddenly. That guy ran into something, the picture I posted was after a guy ran over a 1/2" wide stone.

A fellow acquaintence I often run into at the pub today said he bought a carbon fiber Felt. He says it is a much faster bike than anything steel. He also said modern tubular glues don't hold as safe as they used to. I do believe that he is full of BS on the glue. I also know that he is faster on a lighter bike. Big whoop. He also said that my old campy record hubs werent worth any money because they were tubular. Hah!

He has no fear of a top tube separation or cracked frame. He paid a mere 1500 for the cookie bike. What a sad loss. His vintage enthusiasm died when he bought carbon. He sold his soul to the plastic worshipping fools...

I don't care how good or light the material is there is no point. A plastic bike can't be recycled into anything other than waste...A crappy carbolite peugeot on the other hand can still be scrapped for something useful. Steel is real and anybody who rides carbon is fake. Let the carbon riders go home to plastic trophy wives...

I will take natural beauty and the alloy of humankind to lead me into generations of cycling without fear of top tube failure. A plastic fork will steer me away from salvation.

May all the carbon riders on the road be damned with top tube failure. The guy went on to tell me about his riding budding cracking multiple carbon cranksets. He also said that old Suntour wasn't as tough as old campy...

Man some people are so full of it! He also told me I paid too much for my soon to be fillet brazed bicycle.

Shut up.

I laughed out loud reading this thread! I love this forum...

I ride steel because:
- I'm a cheap SOB, and love buying a $250 Miyata 912 that I've already put 2.5K miles on this summer,
- I don't work, ride every day, and smoke >90% of the CF poseurs. For instance, the doofus on his 6K Calfee that could not keep up with me up Mt. Hamilton this afternoon,
- It really really is the rider, not the bike! Who cares what anyone rides, as long as it's comfortable and has the performance you desire.

I still drive a model T because it's wood frame is far lighter than today's metal frames! Also the drive *belt* saves on weight compared to modern driveshafts, along with lighter wheels, I can smoke you!

No no, the Ford has a Vanadium Steel frame, it was the Franklin that had a wooden frame.

Three cardinal rules for the cyclist:

Point #1: Ride what you like.

Point #2: Respect what others prefer to ride.

Point #3: Refer to points #1 and #2

-Kurt :)