Southern California - So Cal needs a long thread "What's Up?" type thread!

Idiot kids or idiot illegal aliens?

whitey white whites

and not kids...at least not the 22 and 27 year olds

From what I read, the area was still under a State of Emergency from the October fires. They could get 10 years.

Oh, well I'm listening to FOX 11 news, so my source is certainly inferior. They just mentioned that it appeared they didn't intentionally set the fire and gave the impression that they may get off easy (don't remember words verbatim). Personally, I think they should go to jail for life (and yes, Jim, they SHOULD have called for help and didn't).

Microarguer.


There's speculation that the Harris fire was by an 'illegal campfire' set by illegals. I was curious.

The names weren't surprising. The interesting part for me was reading the e-mails and notes from the front-offices and scouts.

+1

The players I'm not surprised about. But the entire coaching and scouting staffs, too... Eeesh.

Oh, well I'm listening to FOX 11 news, so my source is certainly inferior. They just mentioned that it appeared they didn't intentionally set the fire and gave the impression that they may get off easy (don't remember words verbatim). Personally, I think they should go to jail for life (and yes, Jim, they SHOULD have called for help and didn't).

They probably didn't mean to ignite a wildfire, but I'd be flabbergasted if the fire wasn't intentionally set.

Five suspects named in connection with Malibu blaze
Investigators used trash from the site of a late-night party to track down the men.

By Andrew Blankstein and Jean-Paul Renaud, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
December 14, 2007


Los Angeles County sheriff's arson detectives on Thursday named five men as suspects in the November brush fire in the hills above Malibu that destroyed more than 50 homes.

Authorities said the suspects -- ages 18 to 27 -- were having an illegal late-night campfire near a cave in Corral Canyon when the blaze broke out. Detectives found alcohol containers, food wrappers and bundled fire logs, and were able to trace the items to the suspects during the last month.

"Investigators began checking local businesses for any information regarding the purchase of these items," said sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore.

They quickly got their break at a nearby supermarket.

"They checked store receipts at a Ralphs market in Malibu and found one revealed a possible purchase of the items in question," Whitmore said. "With probable cause, they then got a search warrant allowing investigators to retrieve information from the debit card which authorities believe was used to purchase the items."

Authorities said the suspects, described as from working- and middle-class backgrounds, acted recklessly but not intentionally in starting the fire.

Each has been charged with two felony counts: recklessly causing a fire resulting in great bodily injury and recklessly causing a fire to an inhabited structure.

Because the blaze began in an area that had been declared in a state of emergency during the October brush fires, the men could face additional time if they are convicted. In all, prosecutors could seek as many as 10 years in prison.

The blaze broke out early Nov. 24, originating from a campfire near the mouth of Corral Canyon Cave, an area known as a late-night party hangout.

Fanned by Santa Ana winds gusting up to 60 mph, the flames raced south across hills and canyons, forcing scores of residents from their homes in darkness with little or no time to retrieve keepsakes and valuables.

By the time the fire was extinguished several days later, it had charred 4,900 acres and burned 53 homes beyond repair, causing $100 million in losses. Six firefighters were injured, including one who suffered a second-degree burn to his cheek.

Officials called it the worst blaze to hit the fire-prone area in more than a decade.

Carri Karuhn was out of the country when the Corral fire burned through her neighborhood early Nov. 24 and said she is devastated -- and angry -- after losing her home, two dogs and one cat.

"It doesn't make me feel any better in terms of what I lost, but I hope it brings some kind of accountability to this," said Karuhn, who has lived in Malibu for six years and is now living with friends. "Look what it's done to these people, myself included. . . . We're not going to recover our lives the same way."

The suspects were identified by sheriff's officials as Brian Allen Anderson, 22, William Thomas Coppock, 23, and Brian David Franks, 27, all of Los Angeles, and Eric Matthew Ullman, 18, and Dean Allen Lavorante, 19, both of Culver City, authorities said. Anderson, Coppock and Franks had been booked and were in custody as of late Thursday, according to the sheriff's inmate information website.

The suspects in custody are scheduled to be arraigned in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Monday.

Several of the suspects' families were contacted by The Times but refused to comment.

Authorities said five people were partying at the cave , when they were joined by another group that included the five suspects. Officials would not describe the precise events leading up to the blaze but said a campfire was set near the point of origin.

By the time arson investigators reached the site, no one was there. Still, they found key evidence including the alcohol containers, food wrappers and bundled fire logs.

The debit card search led investigators to a witness. Additional witnesses came forward during the last two weeks, leading to the issuing of two search warrants and scores of interviews with people as far away as Shasta County, near the Oregon border, Whitmore said.

Brooke Halpin, whose house sustained about $100,000 in damage from the Corral fire, says he remembers hearing laughter and honking about 2:30 a.m. the day of the fire. "I didn't know what they were laughing about," he recalled Thursday.

An hour later, he evacuated his home as the fire rushed down the canyon. He returned two days later to find the fire had consumed part of his roof. It will take him two to three months to rebuild.

"I hope the penalties will be such that anyone thinking of doing something as reckless as they did won't do it," he said.

"It ruined people's lives. It's a disaster up here. I hope they're punished severely for their total lack of responsibility, their recklessness and their stupidity."

Link to LA Times Story (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-malibu14dec14,0,6230444.story?coll=la-home-center)

They probably didn't mean to ignite a wildfire, but I'd be flabbergasted if the fire wasn't intentionally set.

Sorry...yes, you are correct. They did intentionally start the fire, but the way it was reported on FOX, they do not think they intentionally meant to burn homes (i.e this was not an act of someone purposely starting a wildfire). I still think they should get life!

Durr!!! What do you want to do tonight?

How about we go to that cave, drink beer, have a fire, and drink beer?

But what about the winds and the wildfires?

A little campfire never hurt nobody. Durr!

I'm sick now, thanks ME! :mad:

I'm sick now, thanks ME! :mad:

Excuse me, :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:, if I had made you sick, it would have hit you before now. Plus, I only slipped Sonia the tongue, so unless she's sick, don't go blaming me. :p

They sound like just another bunch of ignorant drunken partyboys. Typical of some LA urban types who have no real connection to our natural areas nor respect for them.

If it was up to me they'd get life, too. Life on a big island with all the other stupid people...:D

I'm sick now, thanks ME! :mad:

So does that mean we're not riding on Sunday? :(

So does that mean we're not riding on Sunday? :(

I'll probably be up to it by then, maybe I'll do the Bagel Ride tomorrow instead if Montrose.

Finally started Xmas shopping for someone other than myself. :lol:

There is a similiar cave over in Wildwood Park in TO. The top of the cave is covered in soot. The area is just surrounded by chapparel and dried brush and the last time we hiked over there, I thought this was one bad place for people to be partying with fire.

Sheldon

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Henry, I haven't watched it. But I heard it was kind of awfully sick. :p

It's Friday... it must be time for some margherita pizza.

I like the Thai Chicken Pizza.

Henry, I haven't watched it. But I heard it was kind of awfully sick. :p

It's pretty bad.

Henry, I haven't watched it. But I heard it was kind of awfully sick. :p

I haven't watched it either... I don't plan to. :lol:

Finally heading home!

Need to drop by ToysR'Us for tomorrow's SDBC toy ride. I think something like an annoying Elmo is good as long as you don't have to endure it in your own home. :lol:

girls are so predictable once you get it down. It's funny when you can see exactly what they will do next.

Also, they are very jealous :p

girls are so predictable once you get it down. It's funny when you can see exactly what they will do next.

Also, they are very jealous :p

Yeah, right. ;)

I feel like ass! :cry: My head hurts, I can't stop sneezing, my nose won't stop running and my eyeballs hurt (yes, they DO TOO hurt!) :(

I would start a whiney thread, but I figure I can just do it here.

Also, I didn't find the rug I wanted at Lowe's and so now I'm curfunked.

I feel like ass! :cry: My head hurts, I can't stop sneezing, my nose won't stop running and my eyeballs hurt (yes, they DO TOO hurt!) :(

I would start a whiney thread, but I figure I can just do it here.

Also, I didn't find the rug I wanted at Lowe's and so now I'm curfunked.

Missed your daily pancake this morning did we?:roflmao:

girls are so predictable once you get it down. It's funny when you can see exactly what they will do next.



since when do you get down with girls??

another saturday morning stuck at work, missed my club ride 3 weeks in a row now.....this sucks
Hope I can get out there for a couple hours after work before the sun goes down.

what up ya'll...just got back from a grueling 45 miles...i still can't breath out of my nose from my cold and when i woke up i was running about a 100 degree temp...i thought it might help to sweat it out....holy crap i had no energy...the team was doing a century today and i bailed and cut it way short. I hate being sick...it's training time and i can barely hold anything on the flats today :(

Oh, goodie! Crash out-whined me. :p Just teasing, Crash, and I'm sorry you're sick too! But I knew better than to ride and am instead cleaning my place. Hope you feel better.

Wow, hope you all get well soon!

My parents came and cleaned up my place. They've been gone for 3 weeks and now my apt is starting to get a little messy. :lol:

Wow, hope you all get well soon!

My parents came and cleaned up my place. They've been gone for 3 weeks and now my apt is starting to get a little messy. :lol:

Can I borrow your parents? Really. Just ask them and tell them I'm nice. I mean, I'm whitey-white-white and loud, but I bet I can win them over. And they can clean my place.

:p

I was hoping that you'll come over to clean up my place after you're done with yours. :D

Just came back from my ride ... they closed the road I was going to climb ... grrrrr :mad::mad::mad:

Hate it when that happens.

Hey, it's still chilly out there, and I left at 10:30 am! I'm a pure California weather wimp, and proud of it, damn it! :p

I was hoping that you'll come over to clean up my place after you're done with yours. :D

:rolleyes: I'm sure you do. Actually, I ought to since I'm all stinky and dirty from cleaning mine. I have lots more to go. Guess I'd better get off here and to it. :p

The temp is ok in SD today. Headed out 8:30am, but warmed up after a minute or two. Was ok the rest of my ~50 miles ride too (SDBC Christmas Toy Ride).

Yeah, right. ;)

i expected that response, girls wont admit that they're predictable because they want to have the control.

i expected that response, girls wont admit that they're predictable because they want to have the control.

Weak. A BF intervention is in order.

The money ME collected a while back to buy you new shorts will instead be applied to tuition to enroll you in Troll School. Your Trolling skilz have deteriorated to the point that you are an embarrassment to the BF community. We can provide the opportunity, but only you can decide to change.

:Dxmas party tonight, yeppie what a drunken feast it's gonna be:beer:

:Dxmas party tonight, yeppie what a drunken feast it's gonna be:beer:

Take lotsa pics.

Weak. A BF intervention is in order.

The money ME collected a while back to buy you new shorts will instead be applied to tuition to enroll you in Troll School. Your Trolling skilz have deteriorated to the point that you are an embarrassment to the BF community. We can provide the opportunity, but only you can decide to change.

I know I have to work on my troll skills...

I FRAIL!!!!!!

came back from a 3hr bike ride today, it was fun. Then I went to the gym to work on back/triceps/shoulders/abs

Started drinking protein shakes last week. Progress is noticeable!!

I want to go to bed but I'm still waiting for the dog to come in.

Thats the problem with an old, totally deaf dog. I can't just poke my head out the door and call for her... to get her attention I'd have to find her and tap her on the back. And since parts of my parents' yard are remote, hilly and pitch dark, my only other option is waiting until her face shows at the back door. :rolleyes:

ha ha! all i have to do is yell and clap my hands twice and the pack comes a runnin'!!!!!



for now at least....

My dog was like that too, but she wasn't deaf. She takes her leisure time and tour around the yard looking to scare away squirrels and stuff. If you have call she'll ignore you. If you yell out that you have things to eat and make noises from the food bags, she'll come running right back. :D

nice......

Just came back from the SoCal O.C. Xmas dinner. I suddenly realized driving to OC is so much faster than to LA core. Now I have to start preparing my bike for tomorrow's Burrito ride. :D

I'm just waiting for the ride and house cleaning reports to come in. I did a killer climb today up one of my nemesis hills, Tuna Canyon off PCH. It has an absolutely brutal 3rd mile, but I pushed on despite every fiber of my being saying, "Stop, you're killing us!" It was perfect weather for it, and the views, minus the smog layer, were stunning. Continued on up to Saddle Peak peak, then a fast descent down Topanga to PCH in the shadows of the setting sun. I made good use of the windbreaker and gloves for that one! Wow. Had me some numbface.

Kidd,

Sounds like a cool ride. I've never ridden Tuna, but I understand that most of it is narrow and one-way (toward the beach?). Any problem with riding against traffic? How about police/sheriffs? Any issue with them issuing tickets on that climb?

Rode my new bike the 3rd time today. 1st time after saddle/seat post adjustments and for 50miles/1800ft. No more cramps and I finally enjoyed riding the bike! Yeah! :D

Just came back from the SoCal O.C. Xmas dinner. I suddenly realized driving to OC is so much faster than to LA core. Now I have to start preparing my bike for tomorrow's Burrito ride. :D

Duh ... usually when something is closer, it won't take that long to get there. :rolleyes: