Southern California - So Cal needs a long thread "What's Up?" type thread!

The only thing I hate about the Browns is the dog masks...but they're better than the overweight men with pignoses wearing dresses. Worst.Gimmick.Ever.

I could never rock the Cleveland Dawg Pound look because I'm not a fattie. Love the Dawgs though. Bones and collars and shyte. Ridiculous good fun. Yeah, those Redskins Hoggs - OMG.

Vance: I'll give that site props for these:

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/anim_JJcurse.gif

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/anim_nosepick.gif

PS...I'm SO TIRED of the Red Sox. Tired of the little B hats, tired of the 19 year old girls wearing them saying they've been fans for like, forever, and like, had a part in lifting the curse through prayer and partying.

I'll sound like a homer here...The 'mugging' of Hansbrough last year could be seen both ways. Trying to look at it unbiased-like

Seriously, man, come on. That was one of the cheapest shots I have ever seen. :p

It was much more fun being the cursed, underdog red sox. Instead, we've now become the NY Yankees (albeit with more palatable ownership). 2004 was momentous. 2007 was a yawner, by comparison.


My favorite baseball moments these past few years have been the Angels beating the Yankees in post season, Angels winning the WS, and the Diamondbacks beating the Yankees in the WS. Thrills galore!

I think the cameraman took a cheap shot when Hansbrough fell out of bounds and whacked his head on the guy's knee (http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/121607aaa.html)...giving himself a concussion. edit: V. Rutgers.


And this guy...talk about a cheap shot...nothing like burying your face in a guy's crotch as he's just trying to play the game!!!

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/photo_real_p_6_t.jpg

<---Lakers fan since childhood and through the highs and the lows.

ps. Regarding that Rutgers-Carolina game...The Heels were up 23 with 5:47 to play when Hansbrough plunked that guy's knee...WHAT WAS HE STILL DOING IN THE GAME? Running up the score, jerks.

;)

If I remember correctly, K was being blasted for Henderson's whacking of Tyler by the press. It was right after an emotional loss. I'm not excusing him suggesting Tyler shouldn't have been on the floor, but what else could the guy say? He's defending his player who he thought was being painted as a thug.


He could've said sorry, he could've said he's going to review the tapes and talk with his player before saying anything else. Mainly, he shouldn't have blamed it on the other coach. That's all.

*sniff...sniff*

P-U. This thread smells like testosterone. Normally I like the male glandular scent, but not today. I take a break from my meeting, and all I get is sports talk?! :mad:

Can't you boys talk about something a little less hairy-chested? :p

<---Lakers fan since childhood and through the highs and the lows.

How come you didn't use my balaclava Owl avatar I made for you?

:(

Mo, here's some insight from a UNC fan in Charlotte:
Things I might add:
-A lot of the national hatred started with their last title team, when the perception of everyone not a Duke fan is that the refs handed Duke the title. There was a famous play where the PG, Jason (now Jay, NBA career ended after motorcycle accident) crowd-dived the other team going for a steal and there was no call.

-Speaking of refs, the Duke players are specifically coached to flop for calls, and they almost always get them. Youtube "Paulus Flop" (or maybe "Duke flop") for a great example. And JJ Redick made a living off this. Shane Battier too. Redick got extra points off free throws in almost any non-NCAA tourney game because of this.

-Speaking of Redick, he's in a nutshell something to hate about Duke recently: over-hype. Their last really good team, IMO, was that 1999 team (Brand, Maghette) that lost to UConn in the finals. I think they have been overhyped by the Vitale/ESPN media machine, so that's another reason a lot of people hate Redick/Duke. Vitale could be covering Cricket in India and insert something about how Duke is such an awesome program. Redick wasn't even the best player on his own team (Sheldon Williams was), but you would have thought he was the 2nd coming with his press. Redick on most 90s Duke teams wouldn't sniff the scoring records he set. And, with the phantom fouls he'd get called, he never panned out in 4 seasons of NCAA tourney games because he couldn't get the calls. Honest defense could shut him down.

-I find most of the Duke teams of this decade over-hyped. Outside their '01 or '02 title, they have not played up to their seed every single year.

-Duke routinely has trash talking, over-exposed, ****z guys that just beg you to hate them. Laettner wasn't even liked by his own teammates. Wojo-whatever and Redick are more guys like this, though in fairness to them, they never stomped on another player in game. Laettner should have already been thrown out of the game where he made his famous shot.

Wait wait wait.... did he say without being a ****z? You should cease this discussion immediately. He's not rational.

:D

*sniff...sniff*

P-U. This thread smells like testosterone. Normally I like the male glandular scent, but not today. I take a break from my meeting, and all I get is sports talk?! :mad:

Can't you boys talk about something with a little less hairy-chested? :p

Fixed (http://nflcheerleader.blogspot.com/2007/10/nfl-week-8-halloween-tricks-and-treats.html)

Fixed (http://nflcheerleader.blogspot.com/2007/10/nfl-week-8-halloween-tricks-and-treats.html)

:mad: Now that's just hairy-balled.

How come you didn't use my balaclava Owl avatar I made for you?

:(

Ooh, almost forgot... Lemme see if i can find it...

(quoting me) You have to admit the Patriots have been a godsend to the NFL in terms of legitimate excellence [chortle!!!] and setting the bar for domination.

And what have they done since the sideline cameras were shut off? Crush everyone. To my dismay, I might add. I was really hoping they would take a huge fall. But they didn't, so I'd call that legitimate. I do like how their players don't mug and showboat.

Mo, here's some insight from a UNC fan in Charlotte:
blahblahblah

:D


Who was that?

Sure, you can microargue anything...I'm not arguing that Duke doesn't deserve some of the disdain they get, I'm just really looking, seriously, as to whether I'm backing the wrong team.

It's all sounding like people that don't like Duke are just...I don't know...petty or something.

Duke flops? OHNOES!! Everybody in basketball..college or pros...flops (see: Ginobli, M). It's part of the game. If a flop cost you the game, bummer...you should have pulled up and not grazed the guy.

Duke teams in the 00's might have been overhyped, but when you routinely get some of the best incoming recruiting classes every stinking year (3 McDonalds All-Americans this year), you're bound to get a ton of hype.

The last few years have been ALL UNC. Hansbrough, Terry, Felton, May...all UNC all the time. Good on 'em, they deserved it and dominated like they should have.

As for trash talking...Duke is evil...they get so much crap from every team they play, all the time. Redick was satan incarnate. If you can step up and still be as prolific a shooter as he was in the face of such out-and-out hate and ire, I think you're due for some cockyness.

I also think you're buddy wasn't watching the same games I was vis-a-vis Redick. His inability to carry his team in the tournament was more a reflection of his team. He and Shelden did everything they could. But at tournament time, every player on the floor has to be a difference maker. If opposing teams only have to key in on one or two guys, it's going to be harder for any good to happen.

And what have they done since the sideline cameras were shut off? Crush everyone. To my dismay, I might add. I was really hoping they would take a huge fall. But they didn't, so I'd call that legitimate. I do like how their players don't mug and showboat.

Eh...you're not going to win that with me...They might not be taping now, but who's to say that they are not reviewing all the other tapes, or have spies, or anything. Spygate raised all sorts of doubts.

As for the showboating...I'm still irked by them mocking Shawne Merriman's 'dance' at our own midfield after we handed them the playoff win last year. Bush league.

:mad: Now that's just hairy-balled.

Don't worry, I'm almost out of here...then you can resume talking about girly things.

Don't worry, I'm almost out of here...then you can resume talking about girly things.

Oh, I'm just ribbing you boys, Mo'. Besides, I'm really a lurker-loo today anyway. I'm on and off at breaks. I'm sitting here now starving as we are just about to break for lunch.

Go ahead and and talk your sports talk and I'll just sniff the testosterone silently. :D

Do you hate Federer too? - no. but being a lifelong player and fan of the game(not of federer), and knowing all too well what goes on in other sports, i am very, very suspicious.

How about Tiger? - yes. see above, minus the lifelong fan part.

How about Dennis Connor? - didn't he lose stars and stripes off the coast of long beach? that *******.

HOW ABOUT LANCE??!!! - YES!!!

Y'know, sometimes talent is everything. - no. for a huge numer of fans, character is enough of an inspiration.

;)


^^^

Who was that?

Sure, you can microargue anything...I'm not arguing that Duke doesn't deserve some of the disdain they get, I'm just really looking, seriously, as to whether I'm backing the wrong team.



You are, but that's ok. If everyone liked the same thing, the world would be pretty dull.

Eh...you're not going to win that with me...They might not be taping now, but who's to say that they are not reviewing all the other tapes, or have spies, or anything. Spygate raised all sorts of doubts.

As for the showboating...I'm still irked by them mocking Shawne Merriman's 'dance' at our own midfield after we handed them the playoff win last year. Bush league.

My favorite dirty tactic used by the NFL is signing a released player from a rival, squeezing as much info as possible from him about his former team, then releasing him. LOL

Shawne shouldn't be dancing to begin with. Just win.

My favorite dirty tactic used by the NFL is signing a released player from a rival, squeezing as much info as possible from him about his former team, then releasing him. LOL

Shawne shouldn't be dancing to begin with. Just win.

And this is no different than a new "foreign" company did to us and a few of our employees.

Who was that?

Someone about as objective as that anti-duke website. :)

It's all sounding like people that don't like Duke are just...I don't know...petty or something.

Well, isn't that always the case as viewed from the dominant team/player looking down at all the nay-sayers? Which is one of the many reasons -- despite the requisite lip service to parity -- sports leagues love having a goliath (and go out of their way to help, um, create them). It's just good business. The masses will rally around the [Yankees, Tiger, Duke, M. Jordan, etc], and everyone else will hate them, creating lots of juicy drama.

Duke flops? OHNOES!! Everybody in basketball..college or pros...flops (see: Ginobli, M). It's part of the game.

Indeed. Which is why the NBA has sucked the past 20 years. And, the point was that Duke does it more, and gets away with it more (just like the "star treatment crap in the NBA). And let's not talk about the flops in soccer. Sickening.


Duke teams in the 00's might have been overhyped, but when you routinely get some of the best incoming recruiting classes every stinking year (3 McDonalds All-Americans this year), you're bound to get a ton of hype.

Is this the point where we compare the success of Duke alum vs UNC alum in the NBA? ;)

It's all good. I'm certainly not trying to give you smack for being a dookie, just trying to answer your original question. I've pretty much given up on any sports that involve subjective officiating, other corruption, or doping... so that pretty much leaves me with curling.

And let's not talk about the flops in soccer. Sickening.

Let's not talk about soccer at all.

so that pretty much leaves me with curling.

Don't forget darts and billiards. If all other competitive games were eliminated but those two, I'd be happy. Both are indoors, both are beer friendly, girls can easily play both...

gonna be a another long night here at work. Legs are sore from the gym today. Used the eliptical machine for the first time, thought I wasnt getting a workout so I raised the crap out the resistance, now I'm sore.....

I would love to go tear down my legs, but I'm getting my 100 miles in tomorrow so I need to save them. Plus, I have to squeeze an oil change in before I drive up north. Ugh.

Heading out from work. Last work day of the year! Yeah!

Have fun and enjoy the sunny rides in SoCal! :D

Someone about as objective as that anti-duke website. :)



Well, isn't that always the case as viewed from the dominant team/player looking down at all the nay-sayers? Which is one of the many reasons -- despite the requisite lip service to parity -- sports leagues love having a goliath (and go out of their way to help, um, create them). It's just good business. The masses will rally around the [Yankees, Tiger, Duke, M. Jordan, etc], and everyone else will hate them, creating lots of juicy drama.



Indeed. Which is why the NBA has sucked the past 20 years. And, the point was that Duke does it more, and gets away with it more (just like the "star treatment crap in the NBA). And let's not talk about the flops in soccer. Sickening.



Is this the point where we compare the success of Duke alum vs UNC alum in the NBA? ;)

It's all good. I'm certainly not trying to give you smack for being a dookie, just trying to answer your original question. I've pretty much given up on any sports that involve subjective officiating, other corruption, or doping... so that pretty much leaves me with curling.

I find this point interesting: Consider that Carlos Boozer is a star at Utah, Mike Dunleavy was a star at Golden state, but it now somewhere else.

Shane Battier w/ the Rockets
Chris Duhon and Luol Deng w/ the Bulls
Elton Brand w/ the Clippers
Corey Magette is somewhere
J.J. Redick is with the Magic
Shelden Williams is somewhere
Dahntay Jones and Shavlik Randolph are still kicking around.

Quite a few Duke players are making it in the NBA lately.

And remember that Laettner, while not a star, had a 10 year NBA career. Jay Williams would have been another Iverson, had he not been such a dumbass and gotten in that motorcycle accident.

I can't remember where the UNC players went...but y'all keep hanging your hat on Michael Jordan. ;)

y'all keep hanging your hat on Michael Jordan. ;)

Can't hang my hat on him... he is too tall

dude nba is for

oh wait i better not get banned

I find this point interesting: Consider that Carlos Boozer

Don't forget Grant Hill. First of all, I'm not a tarheel fan, so leave me out of this. :) Second, if you want to look at the last 10, 15, 20, or more years, it's quite a landslide in favor of UNC. Duke has certainly improved in this area very recently (it would have been hard not to), and with Deng, Boozer, and Brand, Duke probably has the current edge for the first time ever. But reaching back, if you have to reach down to names like Dahntay Jones and Shelden Williams.. well, you know. :)

I apologize for dragging this out longer than either of us are probably interested in it (at least in my case, with no horse in this particular race!).

I find this point interesting: Consider that Carlos Boozer is a star at Utah, Mike Dunleavy was a star at Golden state, but it now somewhere else.

Shane Battier w/ the Rockets
Chris Duhon and Luol Deng w/ the Bulls
Elton Brand w/ the Clippers
Corey Magette is somewhere
J.J. Redick is with the Magic
Shelden Williams is somewhere
Dahntay Jones and Shavlik Randolph are still kicking around.

Quite a few Duke players are making it in the NBA lately.

And remember that Laettner, while not a star, had a 10 year NBA career. Jay Williams would have been another Iverson, had he not been such a dumbass and gotten in that motorcycle accident.

I can't remember where the UNC players went...but y'all keep hanging your hat on Michael Jordan. ;)
Let it go.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/374032258_5e692a7d77_o.jpg

Go Duke!


;)


Hey, what can I say...it helped pass an otherwise excruciatingly boring Friday-Before-Christmas-Weekend snoozefest.

Thanks for the dialogue Vance, Ronjon, and those of you who were bored to tears having to scroll past all of it.

Sometimes arguing on the Internet is fun. Who knew? Oh yeah...Ovoleg.



Yay, I'm riding today...with my new bar tape. Should be just like a feather bed on a cloud suspened by bubblewrap and unicorn breath.

Had a great day at Disneyland yesterday. Was a bit cold, especially after we got soaked on Splash Mountain. Froze for awhile. The park looks great with all of the Holiday decorations. We bailed on the fireworks 'cause we were a bit tired and didn't want to sit out and wait.

Sheldon

Sigh.....missed out out this morning's shop ride. Usually my wife goes to the gym and I head out while we leave our 13 year old at home. However she is still sleeping and we didn't want her to wake up to an empty house.

So, I fell on the sword and opted to give the wife her gym time. Since it's way cold outside, I don't exactly feel terrible about it! I could always ride later or just do a Spinervals session at home. Nonetheless, now I feel lousy about not getting to ride with the group. Get to spend the morning fixing a faucet. When I went to buy the part earlier, I saw my group head out...well smallish today only 5 of them. (is this supposed to make me feel better?). Waaahhhhhh

Sheldon

don't feel too bad, I've worked every saturday since thanksgiving and havn't been able to ride with my new team since.

Stuck here on I-5 ... At a full stop on the fwy. Reverse direction is not too bad.

My god, we're still near Fresno! :eek:

With my whole being screaming to get out and ride today and after careful planning to get everything in that I need to do plus a ride, I get a call from the mother of my favorite 7 year old in the whole world. They're coming to town for the weekend and would I want to go to a movie with my favorite 7 year old in the whole world? So now the ride is cut short. :(

Yep..been there! What movie? I took our 13 year old and her friend to see Enchanted last Sat. At least there is a funny cycling related scene in there!

Sheldon

Yipee! I'm off to the movies with my 17 year old!

( Her Christmas gift to me. No...she isn't paying, just agreeing to take time out of her busy weekend and come along as my guest...:o:);) )

I got my butt kicked by Elfin Forest again. It was cold when I started out on "The Way Up" so my chest hurt. I had to walk a lot of it.:o

I did get to try out an Ellsworth id on the way down "The Way Up." That was pretty cool.

I also thought I saw a Chucklehead on Harmony Grove Road on my way out.

Made it to SoCal. Turns out most of the stop and go was north of Coalinga, so by the time we got to Kettleman City, the traffic lightened up a little bit, but no 80-90 mph driving. Lots of traffic by the time we got to Santa Clarita.

My fridge is empty. I need to go grocery shopping but the streets are insane. That's what I get for living close to the Del Amo Mall.

My fridge is empty. I need to go grocery shopping but the streets are insane. That's what I get for living close to the Del Amo Mall.

You could walk somewhere

You could walk somewhere

The closest grocery stores and restaurants are on mall grounds. I'd rather avoid crowds of stressed-out flu-ridden shoppers and crying babies.

Maybe I'll just trot over to Subway and get me a veggie 12"...

I'll trade your insane Torrance streets for the insane Glendale streets I'll be braving within the hour.

I'm not brave at all. In fact, all those germs floating around are out there trying to keep me off my bike. I've still got to reach 6000 miles before the end of the year!

I've still got to reach 6000 miles before the end of the year!

you gonna get in a few doubles before the end of the year?

you gonna get in a few doubles before the end of the year?

Maybe just one. I think I have 280 to go, or something like that. ;)

why aren't you out riding?

I'm rehabbing an injury.
And I was out riding at 7am this morning (brrrr!) for an easy 45 miles, less than 3000 feet.

You can pound down a 12" sub?

Absolutely, if it's a veggie. Carnivore mode, only a 6" :D