Folding Bikes - Pashley- Moulton TSR30 350 mile report

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EvilV
10-05-07, 01:20 PM
Pashley-Moulton TSR30 Early Experience and Review


I’d been looking at Moulton space frame bikes since I saw a thread here about Alex Moulton and a link to a video. There was something about the space frame and the claimed road holding of the small wheeled full suspension bike. Of course it was the extraordinarily expensive ‘New Series’ featured in the video. At £4000 to £7000, that was a non-starter, but the TSR series, designed by Moulton and hand built by Pashleys under license were less insanely out of reach. They range from about £900 to £1450. A hub geared version at the lower end to the campag veloce equipped TSR30 (it has 30 gears) at the top. It was still too much – I mean, I have the Merc, an unused mountain bike and an old roadie, not to mention three bikes in various states of dilapidation belonging to my sons. It was then that I typed ‘Pashley Moulton’ into ebay and up popped something I could not miss. An unfortunate tale of woe beginning,

“I bought this bike a week ago and for personal reasons, I can not keep it. Who will offer me a thousand pounds?”

“I will,’ I typed, glancing sideways at She Who Must Be Obeyed, ‘As long as you can provide me with the original receipt that shows you own it.’

So that’s how I came to be the owner of the beauty you see before you.

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So – how does it perform.

Well it’s fast – very speedy in comparison to the Merc or the mountain bike and I can easily keep up with my 23 year old son riding his road bike. This is true even though I swapped out the stelvio racer tyres for marathons almost as soon as I got it. I had three punctures in quick succession, partly because of thorns on the road and partly because I was running them at 90 psi which I now know is too soft and not the best way to go. The marathons are detectably slower, but only a little, and they give less frisky handling too. I’m running them at 100psi and on a damp road, I can see that the contact patch is only on a centimetre wide track down the centre. So far, I’ve had 345 trouble free miles since I put them on.

Whereas I’d average about twelve miles an hour on the Merc on a twenty mile ride, I’m quite easily managing an average of 17.8 on a forty mile ride on the TSR. It invites effort and is a rewarding ride. Of course we're talking about an entirely different kind of animal to the Brompton lookalike, but isn’t that much bigger. It rides just like a full sized racer, except the steering is much more rapid. The gear range is 22 – 95 inches – easily enough to cover any riding I’d be likely to get up to.

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The bike weighs in at 24 pounds, the steel frame a combination of cro-mo and Reynolds 531. The space frame construction is stiff as the average road bridge and the structure wouldn’t be out of place on one either with a criss cross pattern of thin tubes and what I’d call thick steel wire. It is very unusual, and gets some puzzled looks when it it isn’t zipping along. The ride is a delight, thanks to the novel suspension system, which gives really confident road holding while travelling at speed on broken road surfaces. I now purposely ride a fast, busy, downhill route that has been badly dig up by utilities companies whereas, on the Merc, I avoided it, because the bouncing felt dangerous. Now I just sail over the lot.

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The front suspension is adjustable by tightening four small nuts on the leading links (damping) and turning a knurled ring to preload the spring under the head tube. I’ve set the system on hard spring with firm damping. The rear works well too, absorbing bumps much more freely than the hard rubber bung on the rear of the Merc. The contrast in ride between the two is remarkable. The rear suspension is not adjustable, but it does have a grease nipple so that bronze bushes and the hard steel pivot bolt won’t wear out unnecessarily. The design has the rear suspension pivot bolt forward of the bottom bracket, so no amount of leg power will be wasted in compressing the suspension.

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The stem is fully adjustable and can be rotated from being fully horizontal for those who need more reach, to vertical, for short-arses like me, who don’t want to be stretched on the rack. Like the rest of the components, the adjustable stem oozes quality. The bike will fit people between 27 and 36 inside leg (inseam).

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Overall, the machine is beautifully made, with high quality brazing on neat frame joints, and classy, deep burgundy stove enamel paintwork. The quality of the componentry is high, but I was very disappointed on an early ride when the left-hand crank on the Sugino crankset began to loosen. There was no detail in the manual supplied to explain how to secure the crank which is held by pinch-bolts, so I emailed Sugino and Pashleys. Pashley sent me a new manual which covers the torque and tightening instructions, but Kozo Sugino himself emailed me by return and sent me a brand new left hand crank, lest the original one had suffered any damage in becoming loose in the middle of a ride. It arrived five days later from Japan with full instructions and the kind of apology only the Japanese can manage. I was very impressed with Sugino’s response, since the fault was in assembly, and not in manufacture by their company. All is fine now, as was the original, since I realised what was happening long before any damage could be done, and worked out how to correct the problem while on the road.

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So – at 345 miles ridden, it’s early days, but I love the bike and am only fearful of finding the thing stolen. It’s a great bike I’m sure and I’m riding further and faster than in a good long while.

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jnb-rare
10-05-07, 01:53 PM
Green with envy am I.

Leigh_caines
10-05-07, 02:51 PM
Yeah I want one too
Looks and sounds great
May it give you many 1000"s of miles of fun riding


maunakea
10-05-07, 04:57 PM
EV, congratulations on a fine addition, and thanks for a succint, well-structured, engaging review.

Now the BIG problem. Since you can't fold and carry, will you new PM become an ABUS display when you're out of sight?

SesameCrunch
10-05-07, 05:16 PM
EvilV:

That Moulton was a true find! I'm happy that it went to such an appreciative and deserving owner.

Thanks for the detailed report. Only thing is now you've got me lusting for one too :o.

So many bikes, so little time...

EvilV
10-05-07, 05:25 PM
EV, congratulations on a fine addition, and thanks for a succint, well-stuctured, engaging review.

Now the BIG problem. Since you can't fold and carry, will you new PM become an ABUS display when you're out of sight?

I wouldn't leave it for long on the kinds of cable lock I own at the moment. I have double chained it outside the local shop while I ran in for a box of eggs, but literally, only for a minute. I need a steelochain I think, or maybe one of those giant motorcycle locks, which rather defeats the search for lightweight steels in manufacture and the expensive components.

It does break in half though, did I say that? It comes in half in about a minute. You take the king pin out and split the cables which have wierd screwed ferule things in the middle. It isn't as compact as the Merc though, but shrinks by a significant amount. I only did it once to see how it would work.

http://www.tsr.uk.com/_img/_galleries/2_prev.jpg

Dahon.Steve
10-05-07, 06:17 PM
Those Moultons are beautiful. Too bad the U.S. dollar makes this bike expensive. Does anyone know if Parshley will sell the frame?

EvilV
10-05-07, 06:22 PM
I think there was some talk on the Moulton email list about frame sets being sold. Not certain, but you could phone them up aand ask.

You will find contact details here:

http://www.tsr.uk.com/bikes/tsr30.php

stevegor
10-05-07, 08:04 PM
EvilV,

I'LL SWAP ya the Wasp for the Moulton.......yes??

tcs
10-05-07, 09:42 PM
In November 1984 I bought an Alex Moulton AM7. Twenty-three years and ten of thousands of miles later, and I've never ridden anything else that compares.

TCS

maunakea
10-06-07, 01:17 AM
... It does break in half though, did I say that? It comes in half in about a minute. You take the king pin out and split the cables which have wierd screwed ferule things in the middle. ...

Yes, you've got to keep an eye on the cable couplers. Most (all?) use set screws to bind the coupler to the cable end. Don't want to grab a handful of brake, as I once did on a test ride of a Dahon Allegro, and feel the coupler strip off the cable.

maranen
10-06-07, 03:34 AM
Congratulations EvilV - what a beautiful bike. Great report.
How do you find the stopping power of those caliper brakes?

EvilV
10-06-07, 05:35 AM
EvilV,

I'LL SWAP ya the Wasp for the Moulton.......yes??

NO!!!

:)

I like the wasp though. Just think of the shipping costs Steve.

The wasp is a great bike. I'm sure you enjoy it - AND you made it yourself. That is a priceless feature.

EvilV
10-06-07, 05:44 AM
In November 1984 I bought an Alex Moulton AM7. Twenty-three years and ten of thousands of miles later, and I've never ridden anything else that compares.

TCS

This is very like the AM series. I suspect the components are all that differ. The frame is very similar I think, but I'd need to examine them side by side. Is the swinging arm pivot forward of the bottom bracket on the AM? That may be one difference.

http://www.the-bike.net/forumsbilder/japan-2005-dez/CD3-kleine-Bilder/IMG_4888.jpg

Yes, you've got to keep an eye on the cable couplers. Most (all?) use set screws to bind the coupler to the cable end. Don't want to grab a handful of brake, as I once did on a test ride of a Dahon Allegro, and feel the coupler strip off the cable.

I'll put my reading glasses on and carefully examine them this afternoon. They look robust, but I didn't bother to check how the cables are retained. Thanks.


Congratulations EvilV - what a beautiful bike. Great report.
How do you find the stopping power of those caliper brakes?

They are pretty good. They have the double pivot design that increases the power. They look like standard road bike calipers do. These ones are by Tektro. I usually ride with my hands on the hoods and even from there I can stop pretty quickly. Maximum squeeze would be achieved from the drops. I could probably lock up the back wheel from there - not that that would be good.

One of the biggest differences between this bike and earlier road bikes I have ridden is the ride. Even on rock hard tyres it's quite silky over really horrible surfaces.

Also, the gear change systems have really come on. I know the gear levers being behind the brake levers is standard now, but its very convenient. What a contrast to having to take your hand down to the top tube like I used to do in the 1970s. I fell off more than once doing that back then.

14R
10-06-07, 06:21 AM
Amazing bike! Congrats!

jur
10-06-07, 06:46 AM
Everything I would have said has been said. So, +1.

LWaB
10-06-07, 06:50 AM
Keep an eye on the front brake pads. They run very close to the tyre and are at the limit of adjustment, the same as Mrs LWaB's TSR30 (I rode PBP on it and toured Normandy for 2 weeks afterwards).

stevegor
10-06-07, 06:59 AM
NO!!!

:)

I like the wasp though. Just think of the shipping costs Steve.

The wasp is a great bike. I'm sure you enjoy it - AND you made it yourself. That is a priceless feature.


Yeah, but I still want your Moulton.........please?

EvilV
10-06-07, 08:01 AM
Yeah, but I still want your Moulton.........please?

As my mother used to say - "I want gets nothing."

I've seen the odd Moulton AM go on ebay for around the £350 mark. The last one was about ten years old, but didn't look likeit had seen a lot of use. You'd pay all of that for a second hand Brompton here these days.

EvilV
10-06-07, 02:07 PM
Keep an eye on the front brake pads. They run very close to the tyre and are at the limit of adjustment, the same as Mrs LWaB's TSR30 (I rode PBP on it and toured Normandy for 2 weeks afterwards).

Thanks for the tip. Are you saying that as they wear they will foul the tyre? I did notice they couldn't really be lowered in the caliper any further.

A more pressing problem I have is that the bike was designed for 28x406 tyres. I've fitted 40x406 marathons. This puts the lower arc of the caliper pretty near the tyre - especially on the back wheel. The odd time on rough tracks, small pebbles have scraped their way through this narrow gap. I could hear them going through. Maybe I should have bought marathon racers, since they are narrower. I'm not sure if they have the same degree of puncture protection.

You can see by comparing these two photos. The top one is mine obviously -

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3016/dscn1337od3.jpg

http://www.the-bike.net/forumsbilder/japan-2005-dez/CD3-kleine-Bilder/IMG_4894.jpg

jur
10-06-07, 05:52 PM
I might recommend Conti GPs 406x28 more clearance, and robust. Light too, so it leaves room for a slime liner which would result in better punture resistance than a purpose-designed tyre.

LWaB
10-07-07, 01:31 AM
As dual-pivot brakes wear, one pad goes up and the other goes down. There is just sufficient clearance as built (giving maximum tyre clearance) although the pads have to be correctly aligned but at least one of your brake pads is crooked.

EvilV
10-07-07, 06:49 AM
I might recommend Conti GPs 406x28 more clearance, and robust. Light too, so it leaves room for a slime liner which would result in better punture resistance than a purpose-designed tyre.

I'm going to do some research into the tyres and slime liners Jur. Thanks. These marathons are brand new and I'm not over eager to retire them at 360 miles. They aren't that cheap, and they are pretty good, handling roughish surfaces or fastish road work with equal ease. If I end up with brake caliper problems, which I might, I'll need to take steps. If i can get around them another way, I'll wear these out and buy more carefully next time.

As dual-pivot brakes wear, one pad goes up and the other goes down. There is just sufficient clearance as built (giving maximum tyre clearance) although the pads have to be correctly aligned but at least one of your brake pads is crooked.

Yeh - I checked them out and adjusted things - thanks. What I thought was the problem isn't. I thought as the brake wore, the mid arc of the rear caliper would get nearer the tyre and start touching it in the centre of the tread. It doesn't. That problem actually improves as I adjust up the cable length to move the blocks nearer to the rims. However - the clearance between the bulging side of the marathon tyres and the holder of a worn brake block is slim. I found there was some adjustment and I could move the blocks down a touch. I think I'll get away with this for a good while without problems.

Thanks for the warning though - it will need watching.

tcs
10-07-07, 02:58 PM
My old AM is all 531, uses 17" wheels/tires, does not use "hairpin" frame construction and the BB is part of the main frame, not the swing arm. Compared to regular bikes, all these differences are just tiny details.

The AM is still in production (next June will mark 25 years!), and has outlived many of the companies that provided the original OEM components: GB bars and stem, CLB brakes, SunTour derailleur, Stronglight crank, Wobler tires, Zeus hubs, Bluemels fenders, Lyotard pedals, Regina freewheel...

Best,
TCS

invisiblehand
10-07-07, 03:50 PM
A more pressing problem I have is that the bike was designed for 28x406 tyres. I've fitted 40x406 marathons. ... Maybe I should have bought marathon racers, since they are narrower. I'm not sure if they have the same degree of puncture protection.


I am trying to remember a quick comparison between 1.5" Marathon Racers and 1.5" Marathons I did with a bud. I don't remember them being any narrower. You might be interested in 1.35" Marathons. It might give you a bit extra clearance.

Fear&Trembling
11-02-07, 08:20 AM
That's a very nice bit of kit EvilV. Is there much front fork bob when using the stiffer settings?

I'd go for the Conti Contact Sport tyres (406/28) next- better puncture protection than Marathons and they roll better...

Diode100
11-02-07, 10:22 AM
As my mother used to say - "I want gets nothing."

I've seen the odd Moulton AM go on ebay for around the £350 mark. The last one was about ten years old, but didn't look likeit had seen a lot of use. You'd pay all of that for a second hand Brompton here these days.

Moulton AM's are much in demand, Japan will take almost anything. I've been watching the prices for a couple of years, and i cant say I've ever seen anything as low as 350, if i had, i'd have gone for it, pronto ! I wouldnt expect to pay much less than 900 pounds for the 7 or 14 speed models; the 2 speed is even rarer. Mk3 Moutons, the bridge between the AM and the F-Frame, routinely go for well over 200 pounds these days, another boat i missed along the way !

Sammyboy
11-02-07, 12:22 PM
I'd love one of those, but unless one comes up for a super-bargain price, it's not going to happen. What I do have, is two first-series Moulton's, Minis I believe. Once my R20 is done, I might just upgrade one of these. One (a 3 speed) is rideable but very tatty, and the rack has broken off. The other still has the rack, but the single speed freewheel is borked. I might just rebuild that one with alloy rims, and whatever multispeed hub I can get cheap (I have a bunch of AW's around, but something a bit more exciting could be fun), give it a respray, and away I go. Anyway, I should complete some of my current projects before I start a new one....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1073/890105339_87bf6362ef.jpg?v=0
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Sammyboy
11-02-07, 12:24 PM
Actually, those might be alloy rims already, looking at them. Maybe a respray, swap the wheels, and make the gold one a fixed gear, with the other a useable 3 or 4 or maybe more speed.

EvilV
11-03-07, 05:29 PM
That's a very nice bit of kit EvilV. Is there much front fork bob when using the stiffer settings?

I'd go for the Conti Contact Sport tyres (406/28) next- better puncture protection than Marathons and they roll better...

Hey thanks for the tyre tip. I'm grateful.

The forks don't bob on the stiffer setting unless I get up and pound a bit. It will bob then, but not like it does on the soft setting. The overall effect of the suspension is that rough road surface becomes really quite smooth and you can speed over roughish roads at 20 mph with total confidence. I'm talking stuff that would rattle your teeth on the Merc.

EvilV
11-04-07, 05:45 AM
Moulton AM's are much in demand, Japan will take almost anything. I've been watching the prices for a couple of years, and i cant say I've ever seen anything as low as 350, if i had, i'd have gone for it, pronto ! I wouldnt expect to pay much less than 900 pounds for the 7 or 14 speed models; the 2 speed is even rarer. Mk3 Moutons, the bridge between the AM and the F-Frame, routinely go for well over 200 pounds these days, another boat i missed along the way !

The one I saw go for £350 was a model called 'Landrover' which Tony Hadland told me was an AM variant. It looked pretty good. The guy had just lost interest and stopped riding. I was still watching that one when mine came up on ebay and I went right for it.

tcs
11-04-07, 06:00 AM
The one I saw go for £350 was a model called 'Landrover' which Tony Hadland told me was an AM variant.

Hmmm, something lost in translation. As Mr. Hadland knows, the Landrover was an APB model, built by Pashley in Stratford with a hairpin carbon steel frame and 20" (ISO406) wheels. The AM series - still in production - has been built since 1983 at the AM works in Bradford, has a 531 space frame and 17" (ISO369) wheels.

Completely different bikes; both wonderful but the AM is far more expensive.

HTH,
TCS

PS - BTW, neither the Landrover nor the AM are folding bikes!

EvilV
11-04-07, 03:51 PM
Hmmm, something lost in translation. As Mr. Hadland knows, the Landrover was an APB model, built by Pashley in Stratford with a hairpin carbon steel frame and 20" (ISO406) wheels. The AM series - still in production - has been built since 1983 at the AM works in Bradford, has a 531 space frame and 17" (ISO369) wheels.

Completely different bikes; both wonderful but the AM is far more expensive.

HTH,
TCS

PS - BTW, neither the Landrover nor the AM are folding bikes!


OOOOPssss.

You are right. I am most terribly sorry to mis-speak about Mr Hadland. I just checked the email and he said it was an APB.

Thanks for the correction.

:)

Mr. Smith
01-24-08, 09:15 AM
In November 1984 I bought an Alex Moulton AM7. Twenty-three years and ten of thousands of miles later, and I've never ridden anything else that compares.

TCS

Fortunately the exchange rate averaged 1.33:1 dollars to pounds sterling that year. At nearly 2:1 presently...

EvilV
07-19-08, 10:11 AM
Post Script.


Well.... I think I' going to sell my lovely TSR30. I have not had the time to ride it once this year due to other hobbies and commitments so it is standing lonely and unloved in the corner of my bedroom where it has been since last October. Sad to say, I have not ridden it since I wrote this review on about the fifth oct last year.

Now I have to work out how to find it a new home and master /mistress.

what bike?
07-19-08, 10:28 AM
Nice buy although i think £1000 is way too steep but it is a great bike, but the fold isnt exactly small :D

what bike?
07-19-08, 10:29 AM
oh soon as i post your selling lol :D, ill buy it for £200 lol :D

SesameCrunch
07-19-08, 06:48 PM
Post Script.


Well.... I think I' going to sell my lovely TSR30. I have not had the time to ride it once this year due to other hobbies and commitments so it is standing lonely and unloved in the corner of my bedroom where it has been since last October. Sad to say, I have not ridden it since I wrote this review on about the fifth oct last year.

Now I have to work out how to find it a new home and master /mistress.

Wow! Sorry to see you split with such a beautiful bike.

I wish I was in the UK. I'd buy it from you!

mulleady
07-20-08, 04:15 AM
Lovely bike EvilV, especially in maroon. So you have abandoned your Merc like man who sheds an older wife for a younger and higher spec model lol?

I saw the Landrover on ebay but it isn't in the class of your bike and yellow doesn't suit it but colour subjective I know! What do people think of the older Dahon Speed Pro's from around 3-4 years ago?

StuAff
07-20-08, 05:23 AM
Lovely machine indeed- saw one in The Cut branch of Evans Cycles a couple of months ago. Really nice colour. Wouldn't mind it if I had the ££££ and room- I'm not replacing my XP, though it needs some new parts- that's the problem with actually using it (!) but old hybrid is knackered so that does need to be.

EvilV
07-20-08, 05:38 AM
Lovely bile EvilV, especially in maroon. So you have abandoned your Merc like man who sheds an older wife for a younger and higher spec model lol?

I saw the Landrover on ebay but it isn't in the class of your bike and yellow doesn't suit it but colour subjective I know! What do people think of the older Dahon Speed Pro's from around 3-4 years ago?

You missed my last post Francis. I'm selling it rather sadly. I haven't abandoned the Merc, I just haven't got the time to ride the TSR30 and I'm not that rich that I can afford to keep a £1450 bike in my bedroom un-ridden for a year. I don't like to use it as a trashing about bike like I do the little Merc. It's a thoroughbred and needs some respect and speedy pleasure riding. It's crying out for someone to fly it around the country lanes. I am 57 years old and never a racing rider, I'm npt big enough, but I almost managed to cover 40 miles in two hours last September. I actually did it in 2 hrs five minutes. It is a revelation in speed and ease of riding. The suspension is fantastic.

I paid £1000 and I aim to get that back.


PS - this is not an advert. It will sell easily on Ebay where I bought it. It was only up for two hours when I spotted and bought it and the seller already had a spate of emails about by that time. I'm just sharing the tale, that's all. When I can bring myself to do the deed I'll put her up and see what happens.

what bike?
07-20-08, 05:41 AM
good luck selling it m8 you might even make a profit on the bike :D

EvilV
07-20-08, 05:57 AM
good luck selling it m8 you might even make a profit on the bike :D

I probably could but I'm not looking for that. I just want my money back and it was such a steal when I got it, someone else can have the delight I had and no one is worse off except the original owner. His story was bizzare, but I am sure I believe him. His mother told me the same tale and with great head shaking said she didn't know what to do with him.

He was a twenty year old production engineering student working at Pashleys as a practical placement where these bikes are virtually hand built. He bought one himself in a powder blue colour and then (big big mistake) he sought to reawaken the failing passions of his grilfriend by buying her a wonder bike just like his and supervised its every transformation from steel tubes and components to finished bike..... I think he didn't understand women or relationships, because after giving it to her and taking her on a single ride, she handed it back and dumped him. He sold it to me a week later with clean tyres that still smelled of the factory. I drove down to Cheltenham where he lived in a big house with doting parents and waited for him to arrive back from Pashleys and his mother a lady of similar age to myself shook her head over his act of unwisdom and lack of grasp of the nature of women and love. How the lad thought buying a bike for a girl would make her love him I do not know. Might work with snafu... I don't know. She is a unique lady though I'd say. :)

StuAff
07-20-08, 06:18 AM
I probably could but I'm not looking for that. I just want my money back and it was such a steal when I got it, someone else can have the delight I had and no one is worse off except the original owner. His story was bizzare, but I am sure I believe him. His mother told me the same tale and with great head shaking said she didn't know what to do with him.

He was a twenty year old production engineering student working at Pashleys as a practical placement where these bikes are virtually hand built. He bought one himself in a powder blue colour and then (big big mistake) he sought to reawaken the failing passions of his grilfriend by buying her a wonder bike just like his and supervised its every transformation from steel tubes and components to finished bike..... I think he didn't understand women or relationships, because after giving it to her and taking her on a single ride, she handed it back and dumped him. He sold it to me a week later with clean tyres that still smelled of the factory. I drove down to Cheltenham where he lived in a big house with doting parents and waited for him to arrive back from Pashleys and his mother a lady of similar age to myself shook her head over his act of unwisdom and lack of grasp of the nature of women and love. How the lad thought buying a bike for a girl would make her love him I do not know. Might work with snafu... I don't know. She is a unique lady though I'd say. :)

Sad story. The girl was a bit sad too if you ask me- he read her wrong and he got her the wrong gift, but clearly he meant well, and was passionate enough about her to do that....
But I'm a bloke. What would I want with Manolo Blahniks? :)

EvilV
07-20-08, 06:56 AM
Sad story. The girl was a bit sad too if you ask me- he read her wrong and he got her the wrong gift, but clearly he meant well, and was passionate enough about her to do that....
But I'm a bloke. What would I want with Manolo Blahniks? :)
LOL - I had to look up that reference to Manolo Blahniks. Wot r they thinks me, which makes your point rather well, except that maybe bikes are also the province of girls in a way that Manolo Blahniks are not the province of men.

He was a decent sort of a lad and no mistake, but he did say they'd been going through a rough patch and I think he surprised her with this gift. I won't say anything bad about either of them, but if they weren't suited, they weren't; irrespective of his magnificent gift to her, and that wasn't ever going to change.

:)

PDR
07-20-08, 07:35 AM
Nice looking bike!
Can anyone tell me what the overall length of these bikes is? I have searched various sites but can’t find this data. The reason I ask is that I’d like one of these TSR bikes but I would need to know if it would fit into the lift of my workplace.
(just need the measurement from the outside edge of the rear tyre to the edge of the front tyre taking a centre line through the wheels),
Thanks

Raxel
07-20-08, 11:14 PM
EvilV- Too sad to see you sell that magnificant bike. But I cannot afford to have another one for myself either :]
My GF's TSR is waiting for a major upgrade soon. I'll post the pic when it's done.

PDR - All moultons have VERY long wheelbases. From my measurement TSR's wheelbase is 1060mm. Overall length of TSR is not particularly smaller than typical 26" or 27" bikes.

Sammyboy
07-21-08, 03:44 AM
How the lad thought buying a bike for a girl would make her love him I do not know. Might work with snafu... I don't know. She is a unique lady though I'd say. :)

I think it's safe to say that a bloke would need to do rather more than buy a bike to win Snafu's heart!

EvilV
07-22-08, 02:52 AM
I think it's safe to say that a bloke would need to do rather more than buy a bike to win Snafu's heart!

I think Snafu is one of the funniest people around here. I bet she's even funnier in person. I rarely get to the end of one of her posts without a laugh.

The bike is sold by the way and will be winging its way across the planet in September. Had the new owner been in Europe, I might have offered to ride it to their door.


PDR - with marathon tyres on (which are not the original spec and are 'taller' than the stelvios it came with) the distance through the wheel centres from outside rim to outside rim is 155cm. That is the overall length.



EDIT:
jeez I rode it again today for the last time (20 miles). She springs along like a gazelle. Even wheeling the thing about the garden to wipe it over and check things out, you can feel the spring in the whole bike. Had it whinnied and reared up I'd not have been surprised. It's one frisky ride and I'm really quite sad not to be keeping it.


Today after my last ride ->

http://picasaweb.google.com/Volpoon/PreSaleTSR30Shots/photo?authkey=8qGryhLjwLg#s5225794165367031794

Sammyboy
07-22-08, 10:45 AM
I think Snafu is one of the funniest people around here. I bet she's even funnier in person. I rarely get to the end of one of her posts without a laugh.


Absolutely! That certainly wasn't meant as a criticism, and I'm sure anyone who reads Snafu's posts closely will understand it.