Advocacy & Safety - guarding against the outside hook

Welcome to A&S. Your guess is good as mine as to whether he does this because he's incapable of understanding or because he's just a jack*****.
Don't you complain a lot about personal attacks?

Regardless, 20-30' means 1.5-2 car lengths in front of you. That's pretty close, especially at 35 mph. Even with your relatively good natural instincts, you were obviously pushing the limits. I would have backed off a tad.

:rofl: I missed this pearl before. 1.5-2 car lengths, in same speed traffic, is 'pretty close'? Tell me, how do you keep your skirts out of the spokes?

Ok, I'm a total newbie.......and I've read this stupid thread looking to gain some knowledge and information........what a friggin' waste of time!

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Is this what I can expect when reading threads on this forum?? .........or do you two just have such an adversarial relationship that you can never agree on anything? or try to understand a simple point made by the other?

Pretty much. I'd say figuring that out makes the time spent well worth it.

Sit back and enjoy the show.

Don't you complain a lot about personal attacks?

Personal attacks are one thing. Stating the obvious is another. And from what I have seen in PM form from Bek I would choose option B above as well.

-D

I'd like to hear more about the 'I don't like to be close to other vehicles but I'll move into a line of tailgaters' nonsense helemt head spouted in page one.

I'd like to hear more about the 'I don't like to be close to other vehicles but I'll move into a line of tailgaters' nonsense helemt head spouted in page one.
I think Farleybob said it all.


Bek totally misconstrues what HHead is saying ...

you think?

naw, its' apparant to many regulars to A&S that discussing safety scenarios or techniques with other bicyclists turn into fantastical, 'helemt knows best' diatribes. and He DOESN'T know best.

helmet head doesn't care to admit that sometimes other bicyclists are doing everything correct. to head, a thread about safety always, always becomes his little soapbox.

head turned this thread into a meaningless dissection of my riding filled with his wrongful and gross assumptions about how and where i was riding and what i was doing.

head began to construct a scenario where i was at fault. and then began to belittle me for my technique, my road position, my clarifications to his misunderstandings of my riding. he began to soapbox.

I asked some honest questions on page one, that I already had the anwsers to. head anwsered them in his little, inexperienced ways, in a predictable manner echoing head's fears of traffic.

when I called head on his predicted fear-based techniques and his fallacious advice, head got defensive and began to deconstruct my safety post to try and render meaningless my advice to others.

get off your soapbox, head.

I wanted to hear more about his 'I don't like to be close to other vehicles but I'll move into a line of tailgaters" bull he posted on page one :roflmao: but he seems to be repeatedly dodging that.

really, don't bother, head. you'd be making things up in vain attempts to validate that little gem.



some of the safety nannies claim to be afraid of traffic enough they will bleed speed when other vehicles pass them, ride in fear of traffic being 20 feet near them, and presumably never pass other cars because they fear being that close to traffic. helemt head anwsered the affirmative to all those.

I was riding in the way a seasoned, aware urban rider would ride in the motorpacing situation i described, (inside edge biased, back a ways from a car in another lane) and avoided the hook, despite blatantly illegal driving of a person i was sharing the road with.

yet helmet head wanted to turn this thread into his little, fear based soapbox and a 'helemt knows best' diatribe.

shame on you, helmet head, for your eggregious grandstanding.

by the way, did you bicycle to work today? How did you keep your skirt out of the spokes?

I think HH has "control issues"...he seems to need to feel that his actions will, in all circumstances, control the environment around him (including the actions of others).

Thus, any time a cyclist is injured or killed (or cut off) his immediate instinct is to assign blame to the cyclist for not following the proper techniques to "control" the situation.

It's frustrating, because many cyclists could improve their safety on the road with a few simple tweaks. But HH always turns it into an obsessive-compulsive religious argument...splitting hairs over minutiae for page after page.

Perhaps he needs his own sub-forum.

Perhaps he needs his own sub-forum.
We already did that. Should this thread be moved there? It's starting to appear like it should.

Perhaps he needs his own sub-forum.


We already did that. Should this thread be moved there? It's starting to appear like it should.

Yeah, and even John Forester got sick of the over-the-top HH Brand "Best Vehicular Cycling Pratices" being espoused on that sub forum.

4 posts in a row pissing on my shoes. :love: :love: :love:

4 posts in a row pissing on my shoes. :love: :love: :love:

That's better than 4,000 posts promoting a unique theory about the importance of dynamic swerving in order to avoid the terror from the inadvertant drifter.

Hopefully you stay away from flip-flops.
It's great for athlete's foot.