data
10-07-07, 06:43 PM
So I'm a little jealous of the people who got the iro track frame on group buy with good tubing. How do group buys usually get organized and when do you think the next one will be? Soon? ;)
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10-07-07, 06:49 PM
Right Now!
http://www.irofixedgear.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=88
http://www.irofixedgear.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=88
mtnbk3000
10-07-07, 06:51 PM
its to late for that link
freeskihp
10-07-07, 06:52 PM
whenever someone steps up to do it, speaking of which, anybody down for a Jesus christ action figure (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Christ-Talking-Action-Figure/dp/B000B91OFU) group buy?
but srsly, lets give Tony a break
but srsly, lets give Tony a break
mihlbach
10-07-07, 06:58 PM
its to late for that link
No, it still works.
No, it still works.
dijos
10-07-07, 07:03 PM
soma delancey GB?
data
10-07-07, 07:12 PM
yea, I thought about the rob roy, but I want a track bike. Something I'll be completely satisfied with.
BRANDUNE
10-07-07, 07:13 PM
Why dont you guys hit up Bikes Direct guy and see what deals he could work out, granted its not the best quality stuff but it be amazingly cheap
data
10-07-07, 07:13 PM
I think it'd be cool to have a group buy every month with different companies. but I might be dreaming. :)
dijos
10-07-07, 07:40 PM
Why dont you guys hit up Bikes Direct guy and see what deals he could work out, granted its not the best quality stuff but it be amazingly cheap
^^smart.
^^smart.
data
10-07-07, 07:44 PM
who organized the iro groupbuys
jamey
10-07-07, 07:49 PM
can we get a 10,000 dollar bill for 20 dollars group buy going?
bonechilling
10-07-07, 08:43 PM
Why dont you guys hit up Bikes Direct guy and see what deals he could work out, granted its not the best quality stuff but it be amazingly cheap
I was going to suggest the same thing. Bikes Direct pretty regularly organizes group buys for their frames through BF, just usually for something fancy and carbon, but I'd wager they be down if we got another 300-500 people to buy a Kilo TT. I mean, the cost of the frameset they were selling on eBay was already equal to what we paid for the IRO, so imagine what a bulk discount would get us.
As for quality, all three of the Bikes Direct frames are basically the same as the IRO we all got (Taiwanese frame, standard 4130 tubing, etc.), so that's no reason to be put off.
I was going to suggest the same thing. Bikes Direct pretty regularly organizes group buys for their frames through BF, just usually for something fancy and carbon, but I'd wager they be down if we got another 300-500 people to buy a Kilo TT. I mean, the cost of the frameset they were selling on eBay was already equal to what we paid for the IRO, so imagine what a bulk discount would get us.
As for quality, all three of the Bikes Direct frames are basically the same as the IRO we all got (Taiwanese frame, standard 4130 tubing, etc.), so that's no reason to be put off.
jgarcia186
10-07-07, 08:49 PM
i'm in on BD
gargiulo.mike
10-07-07, 08:50 PM
i need a good excuse to buy a new frameset
knucks
10-07-07, 08:56 PM
I'd be down 100% for those new Kilo TT frames
BRANDUNE
10-07-07, 09:01 PM
It seems logical, the guy is on here all the time and we seem to have a pretty good rapport with him
dommer
10-07-07, 09:07 PM
yeah i would definitely be in for a kilo tt group buy
data
10-07-07, 09:10 PM
kilo tt's are already cheap enough. I was thinking a real track bike that you can be proud of -- something that makes a discount worthwhile. :)
jodypolk
10-07-07, 09:11 PM
um, there is no "iro track frame". just go for the current group buy, it's supposed to be a sweet frame.
barba
10-07-07, 09:19 PM
Why do you think the Rob Roy wouldn't be a great bike? I wish I has waited to pick one of those up instead of the first group buy.
If you want to get a group buy going, contact a manufacturer.
If you want to get a group buy going, contact a manufacturer.
data
10-07-07, 09:26 PM
rob roy is great for what it is. but I want a track bike, not a bike with two protruding outlets for brakes and longer geometry. It took me a while to convince myself not to get it. :( I'd rather spend my money on something I really want. I'll contact a manufacturer, but I'm probably not the most qualified or experienced person to organize something like that. I'll certainly try if no one else steps up.
Eric Hanus
10-07-07, 09:32 PM
kilo group buy??
jodypolk
10-07-07, 09:34 PM
Why do you think the Rob Roy wouldn't be a great bike? I wish I has waited to pick one of those up instead of the first group buy.
QF(mf)T
i grow to hate my "bfssfgiro" or whatever frame more and more every day i'm forced to have it as my only bike... and i have no plans to go home anytime soon. ****, i'm probably riding 50-75 miles a week less than usual these days.
QF(mf)T
i grow to hate my "bfssfgiro" or whatever frame more and more every day i'm forced to have it as my only bike... and i have no plans to go home anytime soon. ****, i'm probably riding 50-75 miles a week less than usual these days.
jodypolk
10-07-07, 09:37 PM
in fact, data, wanna buy my frame?
http://wellthathappened.com/newbike.jpg
shipping may be a pain in the ass, but we could work something out. i'l even throw in the duraace headset, campy bb (perfect chainline) ttt stem and bull**** seatpost.
http://wellthathappened.com/newbike.jpg
shipping may be a pain in the ass, but we could work something out. i'l even throw in the duraace headset, campy bb (perfect chainline) ttt stem and bull**** seatpost.
data
10-07-07, 09:38 PM
I don't know what qft means, and I'm not suggesting it has to be an iro. But I am suggesting it should be track geometry, and I think most people would agree with that.
The last group buy was for a frame that would be competitive on a track? Right?
The last group buy was for a frame that would be competitive on a track? Right?
barba
10-07-07, 09:42 PM
The last group buy was for a frame that would be competitive on a track? Right?
Not particularly. It is a nice frame, but I think you might be making more of it in your mind than is reasonable.
Not particularly. It is a nice frame, but I think you might be making more of it in your mind than is reasonable.
data
10-07-07, 09:45 PM
yeah I probably am.
I want a raceable track frame.
I want a raceable track frame.
No_Minkah
10-07-07, 09:49 PM
Carbon track frame group buy? Proper aluminum track frame (Track Pro, Leader, Concept) group buy?
barba
10-07-07, 09:49 PM
yeah I probably am.
I want a raceable track frame.
Get a Pista Concept.
I want a raceable track frame.
Get a Pista Concept.
BRANDUNE
10-07-07, 09:52 PM
Heres a few for ya Data:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-720TR-MESSENGER-FIXED-SINGLE-SPEED-TRACK-BIKE-FRAME_W0QQitemZ110176369246QQihZ001QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-720TR-MESSENGER-FIXED-SINGLE-SPEED-TRACK-BIKE-FRAME_W0QQitemZ110176368636QQihZ001QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Cro-Moly-Track-Fixed-Gear-Bike-Frame-Set-No-Decals_W0QQitemZ170155340143QQihZ007QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/sparton-track-frame_W0QQitemZ320167271432QQihZ011QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-720TR-MESSENGER-FIXED-SINGLE-SPEED-TRACK-BIKE-FRAME_W0QQitemZ110176369246QQihZ001QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-720TR-MESSENGER-FIXED-SINGLE-SPEED-TRACK-BIKE-FRAME_W0QQitemZ110176368636QQihZ001QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Cro-Moly-Track-Fixed-Gear-Bike-Frame-Set-No-Decals_W0QQitemZ170155340143QQihZ007QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/sparton-track-frame_W0QQitemZ320167271432QQihZ011QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
data
10-07-07, 10:15 PM
barba: don't have the cash for the pista concept :).
brandune: thanks, I was looking at those leaders. I think it'd still be cool to get a good track bike group buy.
brandune: thanks, I was looking at those leaders. I think it'd still be cool to get a good track bike group buy.
doofo
10-08-07, 12:10 AM
who organized the iro groupbuys
the first one definitely wasnt oragnized by anyone
the first one definitely wasnt oragnized by anyone
sunv
10-08-07, 12:29 AM
im down for a kilo tt groupbuy but the group buy would need to be really cheap.
Bikeisland already sells the kilo tt frame for $145 with free shipping. http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_STOR20.cgi?Action=Details&ProdID=629
I'm guessing the KiloTTBD groupbuy would need to be sub $145 WITH fork to attract people.
Is $100 possible? If it was $100 I would most definitely jump at it.
Someone should contact BD and ask him how much he needs to sell at what price in order to make the profit that's worthwhile. Maybe we should make an equation?
[(groupbuy price) - (mfg price of bike)] * (# of buyers) = (% profit)
?
Bikeisland already sells the kilo tt frame for $145 with free shipping. http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_STOR20.cgi?Action=Details&ProdID=629
I'm guessing the KiloTTBD groupbuy would need to be sub $145 WITH fork to attract people.
Is $100 possible? If it was $100 I would most definitely jump at it.
Someone should contact BD and ask him how much he needs to sell at what price in order to make the profit that's worthwhile. Maybe we should make an equation?
[(groupbuy price) - (mfg price of bike)] * (# of buyers) = (% profit)
?
fischer, max
10-08-07, 01:40 AM
i'd be in for a kilo group buy too.
jakeaaron
10-08-07, 03:23 AM
I would be down with a kilo tt frame and fork group buy. I'm looking to build one up anyway.
mihlbach
10-08-07, 05:07 AM
im down for a kilo tt groupbuy but the group buy would need to be really cheap.
Bikeisland already sells the kilo tt frame for $145 with free shipping. http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_STOR20.cgi?Action=Details&ProdID=629
I'm guessing the KiloTTBD groupbuy would need to be sub $145 WITH fork to attract people.
Is $100 possible? If it was $100 I would most definitely jump at it.
Someone should contact BD and ask him how much he needs to sell at what price in order to make the profit that's worthwhile. Maybe we should make an equation?
[(groupbuy price) - (mfg price of bike)] * (# of buyers) = (% profit)
?
The problem with a BD group buy as that they already sell bikes and frames for as cheap as they possibly can. Basically you are already getting a GB price from them. I highly doubt you'll get them to come down very much for a group buy..maybe 5% if anything, but not much more or they would be taking a loss.
Group buys work best with smaller operations, such as IRO, who make more of a profit from each individual sale and can drop their price a lot more if making a high volumes sale and still turn a profit. The group buy strategy works best with the small-timers.
I already have a bareknuckle, but I think an attempt at an EAI Bareknuckle group buy would be a really good idea. Go through one of the dealers, like thebikebiz or businesscycles, and see if you can negotiate a price for a volume purchase.
Bikeisland already sells the kilo tt frame for $145 with free shipping. http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_STOR20.cgi?Action=Details&ProdID=629
I'm guessing the KiloTTBD groupbuy would need to be sub $145 WITH fork to attract people.
Is $100 possible? If it was $100 I would most definitely jump at it.
Someone should contact BD and ask him how much he needs to sell at what price in order to make the profit that's worthwhile. Maybe we should make an equation?
[(groupbuy price) - (mfg price of bike)] * (# of buyers) = (% profit)
?
The problem with a BD group buy as that they already sell bikes and frames for as cheap as they possibly can. Basically you are already getting a GB price from them. I highly doubt you'll get them to come down very much for a group buy..maybe 5% if anything, but not much more or they would be taking a loss.
Group buys work best with smaller operations, such as IRO, who make more of a profit from each individual sale and can drop their price a lot more if making a high volumes sale and still turn a profit. The group buy strategy works best with the small-timers.
I already have a bareknuckle, but I think an attempt at an EAI Bareknuckle group buy would be a really good idea. Go through one of the dealers, like thebikebiz or businesscycles, and see if you can negotiate a price for a volume purchase.
metaljim
10-08-07, 05:15 AM
BFSSFGKTTBDGB!!! no logos, standard color options, just a good cheap blank frame and fork.
kk4df
10-08-07, 05:22 AM
The problem with a BD group buy as that they already sell bikes and frames for as cheap as they possibly can. Basically you are already getting a GB price from them. I highly doubt you'll get them to come down very much for a group buy..maybe 5% if anything, but not much more or they would be taking a loss.
They just completed a CF road bike frame group buy, and we saved about 15%. But this was an offer on the "first" shipment of these new frames; not sure what Mike might work up for existing inventory, but might be work asking.
They just completed a CF road bike frame group buy, and we saved about 15%. But this was an offer on the "first" shipment of these new frames; not sure what Mike might work up for existing inventory, but might be work asking.
mihlbach
10-08-07, 05:48 AM
If you ask me, saving 15% on a $150 frame isn't worth waiting 4-6 months for.
Ol' Dirt Dave
10-08-07, 06:21 AM
I already have a bareknuckle, but I think an attempt at an EAI Bareknuckle group buy would be a really good idea. Go through one of the dealers, like thebikebiz or businesscycles, and see if you can negotiate a price for a volume purchase.
I agree with the EAI Bareknuckle aswell want to pick one up this winter anyways.
I agree with the EAI Bareknuckle aswell want to pick one up this winter anyways.
dwainedibbly
10-08-07, 08:18 AM
QF(mf)T
i grow to hate my "bfssfgiro" or whatever frame more and more every day i'm forced to have it as my only bike...
Interesting. Can you explain why?
i grow to hate my "bfssfgiro" or whatever frame more and more every day i'm forced to have it as my only bike...
Interesting. Can you explain why?
Straws
10-08-07, 09:43 AM
I'd be down for almost anything but I'd prefer a bareknuckle GB.
lamalex
10-08-07, 09:49 AM
no bareknuckle GB!! There's no way I could justify spending that money, but I would have no choice. I f'ing love my bareknuckle. Maybe my girlfriend would buy it for me..
str8flexed
10-08-07, 09:59 AM
yes.. bareknuckle GB!
dijos
10-08-07, 10:06 AM
brassknuckle GB? at least it's cheaper.
I'm totally down for a kilo TT with fork buy. I'd buy at least 2. I dig the Fleur de Lis sticker, though.
I'm totally down for a kilo TT with fork buy. I'd buy at least 2. I dig the Fleur de Lis sticker, though.
jodypolk
10-08-07, 10:09 AM
Interesting. Can you explain why?
too flexy (thought it was cause 'm a pretty heavy dude, until my sub 150lb friend said the same thing after riding it) + weird geometry (slack + low toptube + long wheelbase, yet there's still a ton of toe overlap). doesn't help that i made the mistake of going with a threaded fork (i'd probably dig it more if i could test some bar/stem combinations on the cheap/without doing a bunch of work). cheap paintjob (which sucks because, i think the color is the best thing about the bike).
pretty nice bike for long rides (i'll probably throw a freewheel and road drops on it at some point), but not great for city riding, IMO.
the funny thing is nobody agrees with me. guess i'm crazy, but i honestly think people are all into it because IRO's got street cred & they look nice.
too flexy (thought it was cause 'm a pretty heavy dude, until my sub 150lb friend said the same thing after riding it) + weird geometry (slack + low toptube + long wheelbase, yet there's still a ton of toe overlap). doesn't help that i made the mistake of going with a threaded fork (i'd probably dig it more if i could test some bar/stem combinations on the cheap/without doing a bunch of work). cheap paintjob (which sucks because, i think the color is the best thing about the bike).
pretty nice bike for long rides (i'll probably throw a freewheel and road drops on it at some point), but not great for city riding, IMO.
the funny thing is nobody agrees with me. guess i'm crazy, but i honestly think people are all into it because IRO's got street cred & they look nice.
SeanBonham
10-08-07, 10:10 AM
yes.. bareknuckle GB!
+1
+1
sunv
10-08-07, 10:26 AM
yes.. bareknuckle GB!
+1
On bikebiz its currently $605 for fork and frame.
+1
On bikebiz its currently $605 for fork and frame.
lvleph
10-08-07, 10:27 AM
Why not do a group buy for something decent like a Bob Jackson? Or even an EAI Barenuckle.