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linux_author
10-08-07, 06:54 AM
Alpine Design brand bottles, due to lead...
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08011.html
(and they're made where?)
:-)
bmclaughlin807
10-08-07, 12:52 PM
The paint has high levels of lead. I don't know about you, but I stopped licking paint at around the age of 3. ;)
noisebeam
10-08-07, 03:14 PM
The paint has high levels of lead. I don't know about you, but I stopped licking paint at around the age of 3. ;)
Thats what I thought to when I saw the pictures of the bottles.
But sweat may leach out the lead too into ones skin on ones hand. I would wonder however if the contact is frequent enough and the transmission thru skin enough to be dangerous.
At least one has the option to return and/or prevent youngsters from playing with the bottles.
Al
And when you wash it in the dish washer, how much lead leaches out onto your dinner plates, glasses and silverware? Then you ingest it with your next meal.
Bushman
10-09-07, 01:44 AM
Face it....there is lead in 99.9% of what we buy use or eat from that country. CERTAIN nations dont care about health.......all the more reason to buy AMERICAN or CANADIAN made products only, that have been tested and certified. Its high time we STOPPED supported a communist country that supplies nothing but lead tainted garbage products.
Face it....there is lead in 99.9% of what we buy use or eat from that country. CERTAIN nations dont care about health.......all the more reason to buy AMERICAN or CANADIAN made products only, that have been tested and certified. Its high time we STOPPED supported a communist country that supplies nothing but lead tainted garbage products.
Hahaha go back to your shack in the mountains
rockabilly808
10-09-07, 04:56 PM
*sigh* I love good old made in the USA products, not trying to knock chinese made goods but they haven't had a great track record lately.
I don't think anyone is saying Chinese goods are inherently bad, but with poor safety standards and essentially "slave" wages for their workers, it does not make someone a redneck to point out the obvious (including that China is indeed a Communist country). I will buy a frame made in Taiwan, but not in China.
rockabilly808
10-09-07, 10:41 PM
I don't think anyone is saying Chinese goods are inherently bad, but with poor safety standards and essentially "slave" wages for their workers, it does not make someone a redneck to point out the obvious (including that China is indeed a Communist country). I will buy a frame made in Taiwan, but not in China.
x2
Bushman
10-10-07, 12:52 AM
Hahaha go back to your shack in the mountains
what, the apt i just had appraised at $350,000 CDN? sure, i'll go back to "cabin"...lol :)
what, the apt i just had appraised at $350,000 CDN? sure, i'll go back to "cabin"...lol :)
R..i..g..h..t
This is why I'm glad I'm using the stainless steel water bottles from kleankanteen.com
SamHouston
10-10-07, 07:43 AM
This is why I'm glad I'm using the stainless steel water bottles from kleankanteen.com
Made in China
If you can't demonstrate that your bottle is of the 0.1% of consumer goods produced in China that isn't intentionally slathered in lead as Bushman suggests then you're awarded the Bushman Seal of Disapproval and General Xenophobia/Hate-based Hyperbole Certification.
His organization hasn't been able to pay for the technology needed to post a picture of the certificate on the internet, but here's his mom at a family gathering playing a traditional game they developed years ago after confusing the purpose of a facility upon visiting the big cituh.
http://www.willisms.com/archives/hillbilly%20horseshoe.jpg
I-Like-To-Bike
10-10-07, 07:52 AM
what, the apt i just had appraised at $350,000 CDN? sure, i'll go back to "cabin"...lol :)
Are you the owner of the apartment house? That would make sense.
Appraising apartments for a renter? Must be a Canadian thing.
Made in China
If you can't demonstrate that your bottle is of the 0.1% of consumer goods produced in China that isn't intentionally slathered in lead as Bushman suggests then you're awarded the Bushman Seal of Disapproval and General Xenophobia/Hate-based Hyperbole Certification.
His organization hasn't been able to pay for the technology needed to post a picture of the certificate on the internet, but here's his mom at a family gathering playing a traditional game they developed years ago after confusing the purpose of a facility upon visiting the big cituh.
http://www.willisms.com/archives/hillbilly%20horseshoe.jpg
I find it hilarious that anyone who dares to point out some of the bad aspects of globalization is automatically a racist and a redneck. Yeah, he exaggerated quite a bit, but that's no more offensive than your post.
I find it hilarious that anyone who dares to point out some of the bad aspects of globalization is automatically a racist and a redneck. Yeah, he exaggerated quite a bit, but that's no more offensive than your post.
Even more hilarious is that you reposted it in it's entirety.
Even more hilarious is that you reposted it in it's entirety.
Oh yeah? Well you don't know the difference between "its" and "it's"! SO THERE! :p
shakeNbake
10-10-07, 02:27 PM
Its high time we STOPPED supported a communist country that supplies nothing but lead tainted garbage products.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It will rain donuts before that happened.
Lt.Gustl
10-10-07, 02:28 PM
lead isn't the big deal the people campaigning to have it banned would make it seem, it's just more nanny state nonsense for the sheeple to follow... the one thing that lead is usefull for is in tin in solder in very small amounts, it keeps everything together better than anything. I used to work in electronics manufacturing and lead free solder is OK to get away with for point to point and through-hole as long as it's not critical stuff like medical and mil. components, but when you get to surface mount and really delicate complicated circuits you run a real risk of failure going lead free. Lead does not leach far enough to pose any hazard to anyone, people worried about lead from landfills should be aware that lead occurs in nature and it doesn't go anywhere. There are plenty of lead deposits that mind their own business and pose no threat to anyone... the biggest danger is lead particles in suspension in the air, it will happen with big industry and used to a lot with leaded gasoline, also at any indoor firing range with poor ventilation... the lead is not so much from the bullets but from the explosive primer that also contains mercury which is used to ignite the powder charge... lead can be dealt with if you know it's properties, like so many other things we are now going from one extreme to the other.
SamHouston
10-10-07, 02:46 PM
Pshaw, I posted a picture of a woman chucking a toilet and you didn't think maybe it was just to be humorous? I seriously doubt Bushy meant 99.9 literally for instance
clancy98
10-10-07, 03:00 PM
ah, its about time someone brought back the old classic -- Sheeple.
It makes people take you seriously, dontcha know.
lead isn't the big deal the people campaigning to have it banned would make it seem, it's just more nanny state nonsense for the sheeple to follow... the one thing that lead is usefull for is in tin in solder in very small amounts, it keeps everything together better than anything. I used to work in electronics manufacturing and lead free solder is OK to get away with for point to point and through-hole as long as it's not critical stuff like medical and mil. components, but when you get to surface mount and really delicate complicated circuits you run a real risk of failure going lead free. Lead does not leach far enough to pose any hazard to anyone, people worried about lead from landfills should be aware that lead occurs in nature and it doesn't go anywhere. There are plenty of lead deposits that mind their own business and pose no threat to anyone... the biggest danger is lead particles in suspension in the air, it will happen with big industry and used to a lot with leaded gasoline, also at any indoor firing range with poor ventilation... the lead is not so much from the bullets but from the explosive primer that also contains mercury which is used to ignite the powder charge... lead can be dealt with if you know it's properties, like so many other things we are now going from one extreme to the other.
Sn/Ag/Cu based solders are making major headroads in SMT design; RoHS compliance is required to sell finished components to Asia and Europe. Modification of components to RoHS compliance is an ongoing effort, and manufactures are learning to deal with lead-free designs.
Perhaps one of the biggest issues are the higher reflow profiles and the potential for whisker growth in HDI designs using ever narrower lines and spaces; organic coatings are one possible solution.
Yeah, there are changes afoot, but the electronics industry has put up with lots of changes over the years... we'll resolve this too.
Oh yeah? Well you don't know the difference between "its" and "it's"! SO THERE! :p
That's cause my spell checker was programmed in China
lead isn't the big deal the people campaigning to have it banned would make it seem, it's just more nanny state nonsense for the sheeple to follow... the one thing that lead is usefull for is in tin in solder in very small amounts, it keeps everything together better than anything. I used to work in electronics manufacturing and lead free solder is OK to get away with for point to point and through-hole as long as it's not critical stuff like medical and mil. components, but when you get to surface mount and really delicate complicated circuits you run a real risk of failure going lead free. Lead does not leach far enough to pose any hazard to anyone, people worried about lead from landfills should be aware that lead occurs in nature and it doesn't go anywhere. There are plenty of lead deposits that mind their own business and pose no threat to anyone... the biggest danger is lead particles in suspension in the air, it will happen with big industry and used to a lot with leaded gasoline, also at any indoor firing range with poor ventilation... the lead is not so much from the bullets but from the explosive primer that also contains mercury which is used to ignite the powder charge... lead can be dealt with if you know it's properties, like so many other things we are now going from one extreme to the other.
Apparently lead can have a negative impact on sentence structure, especially concerning the use of capitalization, punctuation and comprehension.
Xrisnothing
10-10-07, 05:06 PM
what, the apt i just had appraised at $350,000 CDN? sure, i'll go back to "cabin"...lol :)
Oh come on, we all know that's just play money.
Wait... :'(
Lt.Gustl
10-10-07, 09:06 PM
I worked only in linear as well as tube circuits, we only used lead free solder but followed what others were up to. Our biggest problem was finding NOS germanium transistors.
One thing that is not too well known is that lead, mercury and other heavy metals that can reach toxic levels in humans can be lowered using different methods. If followed an individual that had elevated blood lead levels can have blood lead levels lower than the average value.
There are a lot of things we have to worry about that polute our living environment... lead is a red herring, like communism.
Donated blood today at the Army Hospital. They usually give out a T-shirt for donating, but today they gave a free Pint glass (I guess a play off of a pint of blood). It has a picture of a soldier on it with printing
"MY PINT
GIVES TROOPS
A FIGHTING CHANCE
GIVE BLOOD"
I just took the bubble wrap off the glass and noticed it had a sticker on it "MADE IN CHINA"
Donated blood today at the Army Hospital. They usually give out a T-shirt for donating, but today they gave a free Pint glass (I guess a play off of a pint of blood). It has a picture of a soldier on it with printing
"MY PINT
GIVES TROOPS
A FIGHTING CHANCE
GIVE BLOOD"
I just took the bubble wrap off the glass and noticed it had a sticker on it "MADE IN CHINA"
Don't drink out of it its probably lead tainted
I worked only in linear as well as tube circuits, we only used lead free solder but followed what others were up to. Our biggest problem was finding NOS germanium transistors.
One thing that is not too well known is that lead, mercury and other heavy metals that can reach toxic levels in humans can be lowered using different methods. If followed an individual that had elevated blood lead levels can have blood lead levels lower than the average value.
There are a lot of things we have to worry about that polute our living environment... lead is a red herring, like communism.
Here's more on the SnPb solders and going lead free:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071005/D8S375PG1.html
At the very bottom, the story concludes with this: "Tin whisker experts said the industry is working fast to come up with a lead-free solution. So far, other materials have shown to be effective in preventing tin whiskers, but not as powerfully as lead.
One promising remedy is tin-silver-copper solders, said George Galyon, a senior technical staff member at IBM Corp. However, Galyon noted that lead-free solders often require much higher temperatures, which can warp circuit boards and cause materials to degrade."
There are a lot of things we have to worry about that polute our living environment... lead is a red herring, like communism.
Yep, concern for lead poisoning is merely a fad.:rolleyes:
skunkty14
10-12-07, 07:23 PM
I don't know how it became a trend to use these AL fuel bottles as water bottles, it's like the next trendy thing since I guess Nalgene bottles are now passe. This style of bottle (complete with lead tainted paint probably) has been manufactured for transporting camping stove fuel (white gas usually). If people would use drinking containers for drinking instead of containers intended for other uses this could be avoided, or at least minimized to some degree.
I'm confused how this started, but I suppose this fact doesn't matter as much now.
SamHouston
10-12-07, 07:50 PM
I like the trend, I just recently lost my sigg bottle, but I'd used it for several years and needed no other. The enamel interior did all the things nalgene claims but can't. I'll probably get another sigg to replace it, before using the sigg I went through a bunch of the throwaway bottles given out, the cheap ones, nalgene, etc, they all sucked, leeched wonderful plastic taste into everything and eventually stank no matter how well you kept them. I'd guess the dozens of them are all in a landfill somewhere. I don't accept promo bottles anymore, and don't consume near as much bottled water, only as a last resort when out. How could it possibly make sense to drink bottled water
Lt.Gustl
10-13-07, 03:45 AM
I'm going to try and predict the next drinking vessel trend... I only wish I could predict the next environmental/health fad so I could make a fortune and win a Nobel Prize!
Here's the first, the wine skin:
http://www.wildcatcommerce.com/productimages/large/26/leatherbotabags.jpg
The second is still keeping it classic, the drinking horn:
http://horn.dragonshoarde.com/dsc07427.jpg
This one is a bit of a stretch but I'm hopefull it may catch on, drinking out of upside-down frisbees like in tron (though I think they were drinking gin&tonic) :
http://www.cyberroach.com/tron/h2o04.jpg
I don't know how it became a trend to use these AL fuel bottles as water bottles, it's like the next trendy thing since I guess Nalgene bottles are now passe. This style of bottle (complete with lead tainted paint probably) has been manufactured for transporting camping stove fuel (white gas usually). If people would use drinking containers for drinking instead of containers intended for other uses this could be avoided, or at least minimized to some degree.
I'm confused how this started, but I suppose this fact doesn't matter as much now.Don't know how long you have been back packing or camping, but these Al bottles originally came out for back packing in the 1960's as water bottles. Back then, we did not need white gas for cooking, we used wood.
Edit: the white gas stoves started hitting the markets a short time after the forest service started banning camp fires in the 1970's. Which is likely when the Al bottles began the conversion to an additional use as white gas containers.
I still have my 1960's Al water bottle.
Carusoswi
10-13-07, 06:26 AM
The paint has high levels of lead. I don't know about you, but I stopped licking paint at around the age of 3. ;)
So, I guess that makes it ok for the manufacturer to coat the thing in poison, right?
Most women who use lipstick stopped eating it long ago, also, but, I'm wondering why any manufacturer would put lead in their lipstick, also.
I understand that we used to have lead in our plumbing, and no one gave a thought to lead poisoning back in the days when paint was first being developed. Asbestos was originally lauded for the properties that made it a popular construction material and a good material for the manufacture of brake pads, etc.
As we discovered those dangers, appropriate (sometimes not so appropriate) action was taken to remove them from materials into which we come in contact.
But I remain puzzled as to why someone design lead into products such as bottles, toys, cosmetics . . . why? I don't get it.
Caruso
Caruso
Carusoswi
10-13-07, 06:28 AM
R..i..g..h..t
So, you're suggesting that the apt isn't worth the $350k that the poster says it is? Why would you do that?
So, you're suggesting that the apt isn't worth the $350k that the poster says it is? Why would you do that?
First clue:
He brought it up.
Carusoswi
10-14-07, 05:18 AM
First clue:
He brought it up.
Actually, he probably would never have even mentioned his apartment if State had not rudely invited him to go back to his shack in the mountains. The business about the apartment's value was in response.
Caruso
But I remain puzzled as to why someone design lead into products such as bottles, toys, cosmetics . . . why? I don't get it.
Caruso
Caruso
They didn't.
Some one designed a particular color into a product.
That color was made with paint that contained a minute amount of lead, because lead has some unique qualities.
Lead has since been found to cause problems to humans when ingested.
No one happened to feel that ingestion was an issue with regard to paint used to coat certain products.
DDT used to be used to reduce insect damage on crops. It was later found to cause environmental problems.
PCBs have long been used to cool transformers. They have later been found to cause environmental problems.
Halogen was once used to fight industrial fires, it has since been found to cause environmental problems.
Shall I go on?
I wonder how long it will be before it is realized that the exhaust from cars causes environmental problems.
I wonder if future science will discover that cell phones cause some sort of problem.
I wonder if science will ever determine that humans are the root cause for the destruction of the planet... if "science" survives, that is. ;)
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