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njm
10-12-07, 12:07 PM
I'm writing with a quick suggestion for the BikesDirect outfit. I know they have a person who visits BF.net, and maybe he can provide feedback on this thread.

I have been thinking about buying a Windor Hour (http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/thehour.htm) from BD. The sizing information on the bike's page is this:

Size: 49, 52, 54, 56, 58, 61, 64cm


As a cyclist, it's hard for me to buy a bike over the internet, but I figure that if I can find a frame with dimensions similar to my current road bike, it's my best bet.

For one of BikesDirect's other bikes, the Mercier Kilo TT (http://bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/kilott.htm), there is much more information:

Sizing: (c-c = center to center seat tube, c-t = center to top, TT = top tube c-c)
50cm (c-c) is 53cm(c-t) with TT of 523mm and standover of 30 inches
53cm (c-c) is 56cm(c-t) with TT of 548mm and standover of 31.5 inches
57cm (c-c) is 60cm(c-t) with TT of 575mm and standover of 33 inches
60cm (c-c) is 63cm(c-t) with TT of 606mm and standover of 34 inches
Best way to choose is to find the size you clear the standover by 1-1.5 inches

There's also a helpful link to another site (http://www.cyclesmercier.com/geometry_tt.html), with more dimensions.
http://www.cyclesmercier.com/road_geomet.gif
(I think the cyclesmercier.com site may be operated by the BD folks, and that's cool with me.)

I e-mailed the BikesDirect pre-sale technical question address, but wasn't able to get a helpful response. First, I was referred to www.windsor.com for sizing information. That site isn't up at this time.

A second response was

There are sizing charts on all of the listings.

The problem is, I don't want to order a bike based on standover height! I have a bit of a non-standard geometry (shorter legs, longer torso for my height), and I'd just like to order a bike that I think will fit me. I know there's a BD e-mail address for fit questions, but I really would like to make this judgment for myself based on frame dimensions of the potential purchase as compared to frame dimensions of a bike that fits me.

If BD could post detailed frame dimension information, I think it would minimize returns due to lack of fit, at least when ordered by thoughtful/diligent cyclists.

kk4df
10-12-07, 12:25 PM
A link to Geometry is just under the "Add to Cart" button:, linking to here:
http://windsorbicycles.com/track.htm

SEAT TUBE C-T SEAT TUBE C-C TOP TUBE WHEEL BASE STAND OVER CHAIN STAY H/T ANGLE S/T ANGLE

43cm 40cm 490mm 959mm 28" 395mm 72 76

49cm 46cm 514mm 976mm 29.7" 405mm 72 75

52cm 49cm 540mm 987mm 30.4" 405mm 72 74

54cm 51cm 550mm 971mm 31" 405mm 73.5 73

56cm 53cm 560mm 980mm 31.8" 405mm 73.5 73

58cm 55cm 570mm 990mm 32.5" 405mm 73.5 73

61cm 59cm 600mm 1010mm 33.5" 405mm 75 73.5

njm
10-12-07, 02:33 PM
Thank you! I had tried a lot of googling, and mostly found BF threads on the Windsor. The site you mentioned doesn't come up on the first few pages of Google when "Windsor", "windsor bikes", or "windsor the hour" is used. "Windsor bicycles" will do it, though -- wish I'd tried that.

Now, if only the BD CSR could have sent me there....

EDIT: I had been clicking the "Sizing Tips" link right next to it, and didn't realize there are two separate links... my bad mostly.