PlanetU
10-15-07, 12:25 PM
Does anyone have details about this???
http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_288091900.html
http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_288091900.html
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Scootcore
10-15-07, 12:30 PM
i hope they throw the book at the wench...
merider1
10-15-07, 12:50 PM
:( Now who has that kind of luck? Out riding at 1:55am and bam, out of nowhere, hit. That is just not right.
shakeNbake
10-15-07, 12:58 PM
The poor guy just finished working the midnight shift at Denny's.
Indolent58
10-15-07, 12:59 PM
:( Now who has that kind of luck? Out riding at 1:55am and bam, out of nowhere, hit. That is just not right.
:( One of the sad tradeoffs of riding late at night. There are far fewer cars on the road but the chances of driver being drunk is far higher.
:( One of the sad tradeoffs of riding late at night. There are far fewer cars on the road but the chances of driver being drunk is far higher.
Dubbayoo
10-15-07, 01:07 PM
:( One of the sad tradeoffs of riding late at night. There are far fewer cars on the road but the chaces of driver being drunk is far higher.
She went over the curb and hit him on the sidewalk. The bike is not really relevant here. he could have been walking and he still would have been hit.
She went over the curb and hit him on the sidewalk. The bike is not really relevant here. he could have been walking and he still would have been hit.
merider1
10-15-07, 01:14 PM
Oh, it goes without saying, the man could have been in a car, hit by this drunk driver and killed - walking, biking, driving, doesn't matter as it is still tragic and a reality.
And I'll admit, I've gotten behind a wheel of a car before when I shouldn't have. It sends shutters down my spine when I see her mug shot. It's a strong reminder not to drink and drive.
And I'll admit, I've gotten behind a wheel of a car before when I shouldn't have. It sends shutters down my spine when I see her mug shot. It's a strong reminder not to drink and drive.
Indolent58
10-15-07, 01:17 PM
She went over the curb and hit him on the sidewalk. The bike is not really relevant here. he could have been walking and he still would have been hit.
True.
True.
professorkev
10-15-07, 01:56 PM
Boy ain't she a pretty girl, they are going to enjoy her in prosin :o)
BCIpam
10-15-07, 02:01 PM
More and more I turn to riding on trails and away from streets - just too much going on anymore - teenage racers, cell phone users, mothers hitting kids, drunk drivers. Makes meeting a mountain lion seem tame. So sad...
Dubbayoo
10-15-07, 02:30 PM
More and more I turn to riding on trails and away from streets - just too much going on anymore - teenage racers, cell phone users, mothers hitting kids, drunk drivers. Makes meeting a mountain lion seem tame. So sad...
I'm on the trainer 3 days a week and outdoors only once. Don't think any cars will come thru my 3rd floor apt. it can be boring but you really enjoy getting outside a lot more.
And I'll admit, I've gotten behind a wheel of a car before when I shouldn't have. It sends shutters down my spine when I see her mug shot. It's a strong reminder not to drink and drive.
I drove absolutely plastered about 10 yrs ago and on the way home swore if I got there in one piece I'd never do it again. I haven't. I think it was two 40oz beers and a shot, plus I'm a real lightweight drinker.
I'm on the trainer 3 days a week and outdoors only once. Don't think any cars will come thru my 3rd floor apt. it can be boring but you really enjoy getting outside a lot more.
And I'll admit, I've gotten behind a wheel of a car before when I shouldn't have. It sends shutters down my spine when I see her mug shot. It's a strong reminder not to drink and drive.
I drove absolutely plastered about 10 yrs ago and on the way home swore if I got there in one piece I'd never do it again. I haven't. I think it was two 40oz beers and a shot, plus I'm a real lightweight drinker.
rayzor1211
10-15-07, 02:38 PM
i hope they throw the book at the wench...
She will probably only get 6 years and only serve 80% of the sentence.
I was a witness to a DUI / Vehicular Manslauter case. Was called to testify at the preliminary hearing two weeks ago. The case was settled without going to trial. The prosecution offered 6 years, the defendant accepted.
6 year sentence for murder (DUI+Vehicular Manslaughter). Really DISGUSTING!!! :mad::mad::mad:
She will probably only get 6 years and only serve 80% of the sentence.
I was a witness to a DUI / Vehicular Manslauter case. Was called to testify at the preliminary hearing two weeks ago. The case was settled without going to trial. The prosecution offered 6 years, the defendant accepted.
6 year sentence for murder (DUI+Vehicular Manslaughter). Really DISGUSTING!!! :mad::mad::mad:
cole505
10-15-07, 02:59 PM
She will probably only get 6 years and only serve 80% of the sentence.
I was a witness to a DUI / Vehicular Manslauter case. Was called to testify at the preliminary hearing two weeks ago. The case was settled without going to trial. The prosecution offered 6 years, the defendant accepted.
6 year sentence for murder (DUI+Vehicular Manslaughter). Really DISGUSTING!!! :mad::mad::mad:
If you're going to kill someone use a car not a gun. Six years I don't think so, if this is her first time caught DUI she'll get probation and "rehab" sad...real sad.
I was a witness to a DUI / Vehicular Manslauter case. Was called to testify at the preliminary hearing two weeks ago. The case was settled without going to trial. The prosecution offered 6 years, the defendant accepted.
6 year sentence for murder (DUI+Vehicular Manslaughter). Really DISGUSTING!!! :mad::mad::mad:
If you're going to kill someone use a car not a gun. Six years I don't think so, if this is her first time caught DUI she'll get probation and "rehab" sad...real sad.
merider1
10-15-07, 03:04 PM
If you're going to kill someone use a car not a gun. Six years I don't think so, if this is her first time caught DUI she'll get probation and "rehab" sad...real sad.
:eek: :mad: That is just sick.
:eek: :mad: That is just sick.
BCIpam
10-15-07, 03:18 PM
I just ran across this article sent to me by a friend. It seems appropo. It's from Dave Moulton's Bike Blog( http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/):
I have been a cyclist since my early teens; most regular readers of this blog are also cyclists. I don’t know about you, but I get tired of my reputation being tarnished by another group who should not even be categorized as cyclists. Owning a set of golf clubs does not qualify someone to call themselves a golfer. A person might own a musical instrument, but they are not a musician unless they can play it. Yet anyone who throws their leg over a bicycle is immediately labeled a cyclist.
“As easy as riding a bike, anyone can do it,” is a common expression. Riding a bike in today’s heavy traffic is anything but easy; it requires considerable skill and a lot of moxie. As a cyclists I am always lumped together with what I call POBs; (People on Bikes.) there is a big difference. I read in the paper of a “cyclist” killed in a traffic accident; I am left to wonder, is this really a cyclist or a POB? (Person on a Bike.) They could be called "Pedestrians on a Bike," which is a contradiction in terms, but POBs behave like pedestrians. Most pedestrians don't follow too many rules; they wander around willy-nilly all over the place.
Some places have jaywalking laws, but apart from that, there are not too many rules enforced on a pedestrian. They will be on the sidewalk on one side of the road, when suddenly they will see a gap in traffic and without warning or signal will dart across the road to the opposite sidewalk. As for traffic lights, most pedestrians don't even look to see if they are red or green, but rather look to see if there are any cars coming, and will cross with complete indifference to the color of the light. Sometimes they will not even look, because cars tend to give way to a pedestrian. The result is, when a person gets on a bike they behave like a pedestrian; they ride on the sidewalk, they ride on the wrong side of the road against the flow traffic, and they ignore traffic signs and signals. At night they don't use lights, because after all, most pedestrians don't carry flash lights after dark.
Cyclists see themselves as a vehicle on the road, whereas, POBs see themselves as a person just trying to get from point A to point B and it’s too far to walk. They are often focused only on their destination, oblivious to everything else around them. Sadly, statistics show that when a bicycle rider is killed on the road, it is often the victim’s fault. Running red lights, riding against traffic, or suddenly entering a road without warning in front of an oncoming car. This gives a false impression that cycling is dangerous. It is POBs that are getting killed, not cyclists. A cyclist and a POB may look the same; what they wear or the type of bike they ride does not necessarily distinguish the difference. Some POBs even think they are cyclists.
These are a splinter group known as APOBs. The “A” is for Anarchist, Arrogant, or A**hole, pick any one. They grew up as POBs, later bought expensive bikes and started hanging out and riding with cyclists. However, they never became true cyclists because they disregard the laws of the road, at all times.
Worse, they somehow see themselves as above the law; they give all cyclists a bad reputation. Being ignorant of the law is one thing, but knowing better and still disregarding the rules and laws of our society is anarchy plain and simple. If you know someone who is an APOB; then maybe you need to get together with a few other cyclists and hold an intervention. Tell them they can’t be a cyclist part of the time, and POB the rest; they have to pick a side.
The strange thing is many POBs drive cars, and when they do for the most part they follow the rules of the road. This furthers my belief that POBs see themselves as pedestrians on wheels, and think the rules on the road don’t apply. As “Motorists,” they suffer the same fate as cyclists; lumped together with PICs. (People in Cars.) Motorists get in their cars and do nothing else but drive. Their full attention is on the road; they are the good and careful drivers. I see motorists as being the same as cyclists; they are just using a different form of transport. PICs, on the other hand, drive as if they are still at home or at work. They talk on the phone, eat, drink, shave, and put on makeup. Another way to describe it; POBs ride their bike as if they are walking, and PICs drive their car as if they are sleepwalking.
Organizations who put out accident statistics should adopt the term POBs and PICs, in addition to the terms cyclist and motorist. We would then see that cyclists and motorists sharing the road is not the problem. It’s those SOBs the POBs and PICs.
* * *
I just want to add - if anyone out there ever needs a ride home after drinking a few too many - they have only to give me a call and I'll come running to take you home. I'll email you my cell if you want. Please don't drink and drive - ever!
I have been a cyclist since my early teens; most regular readers of this blog are also cyclists. I don’t know about you, but I get tired of my reputation being tarnished by another group who should not even be categorized as cyclists. Owning a set of golf clubs does not qualify someone to call themselves a golfer. A person might own a musical instrument, but they are not a musician unless they can play it. Yet anyone who throws their leg over a bicycle is immediately labeled a cyclist.
“As easy as riding a bike, anyone can do it,” is a common expression. Riding a bike in today’s heavy traffic is anything but easy; it requires considerable skill and a lot of moxie. As a cyclists I am always lumped together with what I call POBs; (People on Bikes.) there is a big difference. I read in the paper of a “cyclist” killed in a traffic accident; I am left to wonder, is this really a cyclist or a POB? (Person on a Bike.) They could be called "Pedestrians on a Bike," which is a contradiction in terms, but POBs behave like pedestrians. Most pedestrians don't follow too many rules; they wander around willy-nilly all over the place.
Some places have jaywalking laws, but apart from that, there are not too many rules enforced on a pedestrian. They will be on the sidewalk on one side of the road, when suddenly they will see a gap in traffic and without warning or signal will dart across the road to the opposite sidewalk. As for traffic lights, most pedestrians don't even look to see if they are red or green, but rather look to see if there are any cars coming, and will cross with complete indifference to the color of the light. Sometimes they will not even look, because cars tend to give way to a pedestrian. The result is, when a person gets on a bike they behave like a pedestrian; they ride on the sidewalk, they ride on the wrong side of the road against the flow traffic, and they ignore traffic signs and signals. At night they don't use lights, because after all, most pedestrians don't carry flash lights after dark.
Cyclists see themselves as a vehicle on the road, whereas, POBs see themselves as a person just trying to get from point A to point B and it’s too far to walk. They are often focused only on their destination, oblivious to everything else around them. Sadly, statistics show that when a bicycle rider is killed on the road, it is often the victim’s fault. Running red lights, riding against traffic, or suddenly entering a road without warning in front of an oncoming car. This gives a false impression that cycling is dangerous. It is POBs that are getting killed, not cyclists. A cyclist and a POB may look the same; what they wear or the type of bike they ride does not necessarily distinguish the difference. Some POBs even think they are cyclists.
These are a splinter group known as APOBs. The “A” is for Anarchist, Arrogant, or A**hole, pick any one. They grew up as POBs, later bought expensive bikes and started hanging out and riding with cyclists. However, they never became true cyclists because they disregard the laws of the road, at all times.
Worse, they somehow see themselves as above the law; they give all cyclists a bad reputation. Being ignorant of the law is one thing, but knowing better and still disregarding the rules and laws of our society is anarchy plain and simple. If you know someone who is an APOB; then maybe you need to get together with a few other cyclists and hold an intervention. Tell them they can’t be a cyclist part of the time, and POB the rest; they have to pick a side.
The strange thing is many POBs drive cars, and when they do for the most part they follow the rules of the road. This furthers my belief that POBs see themselves as pedestrians on wheels, and think the rules on the road don’t apply. As “Motorists,” they suffer the same fate as cyclists; lumped together with PICs. (People in Cars.) Motorists get in their cars and do nothing else but drive. Their full attention is on the road; they are the good and careful drivers. I see motorists as being the same as cyclists; they are just using a different form of transport. PICs, on the other hand, drive as if they are still at home or at work. They talk on the phone, eat, drink, shave, and put on makeup. Another way to describe it; POBs ride their bike as if they are walking, and PICs drive their car as if they are sleepwalking.
Organizations who put out accident statistics should adopt the term POBs and PICs, in addition to the terms cyclist and motorist. We would then see that cyclists and motorists sharing the road is not the problem. It’s those SOBs the POBs and PICs.
* * *
I just want to add - if anyone out there ever needs a ride home after drinking a few too many - they have only to give me a call and I'll come running to take you home. I'll email you my cell if you want. Please don't drink and drive - ever!
lyeinyoureye
10-15-07, 03:30 PM
:eek: :mad: That is just sick.But true. Driver's have extensive protection when operating hazardous equipment compared to most other situations.
merider1
10-15-07, 03:30 PM
I just ran across this article sent to me by a friend. It seems appropo. It's from Dave Moulton's Bike Blog( http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/):
Pam, I'm not following. How is this blog apropo to this tragic story?
Pam, I'm not following. How is this blog apropo to this tragic story?
urbanknight
10-15-07, 03:37 PM
I know someone who got two DUIs and two possession with intent to sell (one on a school campus) and he didn't spend any time in prison. The country is way too lenient on people who blatantly disregard other people's lives.
Placid Casual
10-15-07, 04:33 PM
I just ran across this article sent to me by a friend. It seems appropo. It's from Dave Moulton's Bike Blog( http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/): (http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/%29:)
I have been a cyclist since my early teens; most regular readers of this blog are also cyclists. I don’t know about you, but I get tired of my reputation being tarnished by another group who should not even be categorized as cyclists. Owning a set of golf clubs does not qualify someone to call themselves a golfer. A person might own a musical instrument, but they are not a musician unless they can play it. Yet anyone who throws their leg over a bicycle is immediately labeled a cyclist.
“As easy as riding a bike, anyone can do it,” is a common expression. Riding a bike in today’s heavy traffic is anything but easy; it requires considerable skill and a lot of moxie. As a cyclists I am always lumped together with what I call POBs; (People on Bikes.) there is a big difference. I read in the paper of a “cyclist” killed in a traffic accident; I am left to wonder, is this really a cyclist or a POB? (Person on a Bike.) They could be called "Pedestrians on a Bike," which is a contradiction in terms, but POBs behave like pedestrians. Most pedestrians don't follow too many rules; they wander around willy-nilly all over the place.
Some places have jaywalking laws, but apart from that, there are not too many rules enforced on a pedestrian. They will be on the sidewalk on one side of the road, when suddenly they will see a gap in traffic and without warning or signal will dart across the road to the opposite sidewalk. As for traffic lights, most pedestrians don't even look to see if they are red or green, but rather look to see if there are any cars coming, and will cross with complete indifference to the color of the light. Sometimes they will not even look, because cars tend to give way to a pedestrian. The result is, when a person gets on a bike they behave like a pedestrian; they ride on the sidewalk, they ride on the wrong side of the road against the flow traffic, and they ignore traffic signs and signals. At night they don't use lights, because after all, most pedestrians don't carry flash lights after dark.
Cyclists see themselves as a vehicle on the road, whereas, POBs see themselves as a person just trying to get from point A to point B and it’s too far to walk. They are often focused only on their destination, oblivious to everything else around them. Sadly, statistics show that when a bicycle rider is killed on the road, it is often the victim’s fault. Running red lights, riding against traffic, or suddenly entering a road without warning in front of an oncoming car. This gives a false impression that cycling is dangerous. It is POBs that are getting killed, not cyclists. A cyclist and a POB may look the same; what they wear or the type of bike they ride does not necessarily distinguish the difference. Some POBs even think they are cyclists.
These are a splinter group known as APOBs. The “A” is for Anarchist, Arrogant, or A**hole, pick any one. They grew up as POBs, later bought expensive bikes and started hanging out and riding with cyclists. However, they never became true cyclists because they disregard the laws of the road, at all times.
Worse, they somehow see themselves as above the law; they give all cyclists a bad reputation. Being ignorant of the law is one thing, but knowing better and still disregarding the rules and laws of our society is anarchy plain and simple. If you know someone who is an APOB; then maybe you need to get together with a few other cyclists and hold an intervention. Tell them they can’t be a cyclist part of the time, and POB the rest; they have to pick a side.
The strange thing is many POBs drive cars, and when they do for the most part they follow the rules of the road. This furthers my belief that POBs see themselves as pedestrians on wheels, and think the rules on the road don’t apply. As “Motorists,” they suffer the same fate as cyclists; lumped together with PICs. (People in Cars.) Motorists get in their cars and do nothing else but drive. Their full attention is on the road; they are the good and careful drivers. I see motorists as being the same as cyclists; they are just using a different form of transport. PICs, on the other hand, drive as if they are still at home or at work. They talk on the phone, eat, drink, shave, and put on makeup. Another way to describe it; POBs ride their bike as if they are walking, and PICs drive their car as if they are sleepwalking.
Organizations who put out accident statistics should adopt the term POBs and PICs, in addition to the terms cyclist and motorist. We would then see that cyclists and motorists sharing the road is not the problem. It’s those SOBs the POBs and PICs.
What a bunch of fatuous garbage. There are good cyclists, bad cyclists, and cyclists in between, but anybody who rides a bicycle is a cyclist.
EDIT: ...and I am also missing the part where this is in any way apropos of the subject.
I have been a cyclist since my early teens; most regular readers of this blog are also cyclists. I don’t know about you, but I get tired of my reputation being tarnished by another group who should not even be categorized as cyclists. Owning a set of golf clubs does not qualify someone to call themselves a golfer. A person might own a musical instrument, but they are not a musician unless they can play it. Yet anyone who throws their leg over a bicycle is immediately labeled a cyclist.
“As easy as riding a bike, anyone can do it,” is a common expression. Riding a bike in today’s heavy traffic is anything but easy; it requires considerable skill and a lot of moxie. As a cyclists I am always lumped together with what I call POBs; (People on Bikes.) there is a big difference. I read in the paper of a “cyclist” killed in a traffic accident; I am left to wonder, is this really a cyclist or a POB? (Person on a Bike.) They could be called "Pedestrians on a Bike," which is a contradiction in terms, but POBs behave like pedestrians. Most pedestrians don't follow too many rules; they wander around willy-nilly all over the place.
Some places have jaywalking laws, but apart from that, there are not too many rules enforced on a pedestrian. They will be on the sidewalk on one side of the road, when suddenly they will see a gap in traffic and without warning or signal will dart across the road to the opposite sidewalk. As for traffic lights, most pedestrians don't even look to see if they are red or green, but rather look to see if there are any cars coming, and will cross with complete indifference to the color of the light. Sometimes they will not even look, because cars tend to give way to a pedestrian. The result is, when a person gets on a bike they behave like a pedestrian; they ride on the sidewalk, they ride on the wrong side of the road against the flow traffic, and they ignore traffic signs and signals. At night they don't use lights, because after all, most pedestrians don't carry flash lights after dark.
Cyclists see themselves as a vehicle on the road, whereas, POBs see themselves as a person just trying to get from point A to point B and it’s too far to walk. They are often focused only on their destination, oblivious to everything else around them. Sadly, statistics show that when a bicycle rider is killed on the road, it is often the victim’s fault. Running red lights, riding against traffic, or suddenly entering a road without warning in front of an oncoming car. This gives a false impression that cycling is dangerous. It is POBs that are getting killed, not cyclists. A cyclist and a POB may look the same; what they wear or the type of bike they ride does not necessarily distinguish the difference. Some POBs even think they are cyclists.
These are a splinter group known as APOBs. The “A” is for Anarchist, Arrogant, or A**hole, pick any one. They grew up as POBs, later bought expensive bikes and started hanging out and riding with cyclists. However, they never became true cyclists because they disregard the laws of the road, at all times.
Worse, they somehow see themselves as above the law; they give all cyclists a bad reputation. Being ignorant of the law is one thing, but knowing better and still disregarding the rules and laws of our society is anarchy plain and simple. If you know someone who is an APOB; then maybe you need to get together with a few other cyclists and hold an intervention. Tell them they can’t be a cyclist part of the time, and POB the rest; they have to pick a side.
The strange thing is many POBs drive cars, and when they do for the most part they follow the rules of the road. This furthers my belief that POBs see themselves as pedestrians on wheels, and think the rules on the road don’t apply. As “Motorists,” they suffer the same fate as cyclists; lumped together with PICs. (People in Cars.) Motorists get in their cars and do nothing else but drive. Their full attention is on the road; they are the good and careful drivers. I see motorists as being the same as cyclists; they are just using a different form of transport. PICs, on the other hand, drive as if they are still at home or at work. They talk on the phone, eat, drink, shave, and put on makeup. Another way to describe it; POBs ride their bike as if they are walking, and PICs drive their car as if they are sleepwalking.
Organizations who put out accident statistics should adopt the term POBs and PICs, in addition to the terms cyclist and motorist. We would then see that cyclists and motorists sharing the road is not the problem. It’s those SOBs the POBs and PICs.
What a bunch of fatuous garbage. There are good cyclists, bad cyclists, and cyclists in between, but anybody who rides a bicycle is a cyclist.
EDIT: ...and I am also missing the part where this is in any way apropos of the subject.
merider1
10-15-07, 04:40 PM
What a bunch of fatuous garbage. There are good cyclists, bad cyclists, and cyclists in between, but anybody who rides a bicycle is a cyclist.
Don't get too excited, PC, but I couldn't agree more with you. Nor could the good, old fashioned dictionary:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
Don't get too excited, PC, but I couldn't agree more with you. Nor could the good, old fashioned dictionary:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
Happytime
10-15-07, 04:43 PM
Don't get too excited, PC, but I couldn't agree more with you.
Sounds like true love to me....
Sounds like true love to me....
BCIpam
10-15-07, 04:43 PM
=sigh = It's apropo (with reference; speaking of.. ) because it deals with somewhat similar issues. I am not the writer, nor am I making any sort of political comment. I read it and thought of this thread. I apologize if it was taken any more serious than intended (and no seriousness was intended at all - although I am serious about not drinking and driving!). See my first comment above and if it made sense (but it's too late because I was quoted ) I would remove it if it is somehow offensive... =sigh=
BCIpam
10-15-07, 04:46 PM
I just ran across this article sent to me by a friend. It seems appropo. It's from Dave Moulton's Bike Blog( http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/):
Pam, I'm not following. How is this blog apropo to this tragic story?
The Blog was not apropo - the article he wrote and posted on his blog appeared to be but obviously not.
Pam, I'm not following. How is this blog apropo to this tragic story?
The Blog was not apropo - the article he wrote and posted on his blog appeared to be but obviously not.
Placid Casual
10-15-07, 04:49 PM
Sounds like true love to me....
True roadie love.
<3 <3 <3
True roadie love.
<3 <3 <3
merider1
10-15-07, 04:50 PM
=sigh = It's apropo (with reference; speaking of.. ) because it deals with somewhat similar issues. I am not the writer, nor am I making any sort of political comment. I read it and thought of this thread. I apologize if it was taken any more serious than intended (and no seriousness was intended at all - although I am serious about not drinking and driving!). See my first comment above and if it made sense (but it's too late because I was quoted ) I would remove it if it is somehow offensive... =sigh=
Pam, I can't speak for PC, but I really was not trying to come down on you. I was just curious how that tied into this since these circumstances are really unique. This is merely a situation where a drunk driver hit someone and killed him. Doesn't matter if by foot, bike or car or if the person was in the place he should or should not have been, the only person at fault here was that 26 year old woman. There are times that cyclists are out commuting without lights, reflective clothing, riding in the wrong place, not signaling, etc. and put themselves and others in danger. But in this case, I do not believe that to be true. The cyclist in this case was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pam, I can't speak for PC, but I really was not trying to come down on you. I was just curious how that tied into this since these circumstances are really unique. This is merely a situation where a drunk driver hit someone and killed him. Doesn't matter if by foot, bike or car or if the person was in the place he should or should not have been, the only person at fault here was that 26 year old woman. There are times that cyclists are out commuting without lights, reflective clothing, riding in the wrong place, not signaling, etc. and put themselves and others in danger. But in this case, I do not believe that to be true. The cyclist in this case was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
BCIpam
10-15-07, 04:53 PM
Wasn't making any comment at all and surprised anyone assumed I was... read the Louton article and decided to post. Obviously bad call. If Placid wasn't always out to nail me about everything and quoted it I would have deleted it in its entirety. I'll just go someplace else where there is alittle less... whatever...
merider1
10-15-07, 04:57 PM
True roadie love.
<3 <3 <3
No, since you are not a TRUE roadie, it's more like naughty, hot, sweaty monkey love in the back of an alley somewhere off Highland. You okay with that? :D
<3 <3 <3
No, since you are not a TRUE roadie, it's more like naughty, hot, sweaty monkey love in the back of an alley somewhere off Highland. You okay with that? :D
merider1
10-15-07, 04:58 PM
Wasn't making any comment at all and surprised anyone assumed I was... read the Louton article and decided to post. Obviously bad call. If Placid wasn't always out to nail me about everything and quoted it I would have deleted it in its entirety. I'll just go someplace else where there is alittle less... whatever...
Oh, don't sweat it, Pam. Besides, Placid is more out to nail me and my true roadism than you. And as you know, I'm more willing to accept the nailing. :p:D
Oh, don't sweat it, Pam. Besides, Placid is more out to nail me and my true roadism than you. And as you know, I'm more willing to accept the nailing. :p:D
alicestrong
10-15-07, 05:01 PM
The drunk driver is a PIC...?
alicestrong
10-15-07, 05:08 PM
I try to avoid riding my bike and /or driving a car between about about 1:30 and 3:30 am...those are killing hours. Especially on the weekend.
Happytime
10-15-07, 05:09 PM
naughty, hot, sweaty monkey love in the back of an alley somewhere off Highland.
That's hot.
That's hot.
Placid Casual
10-15-07, 05:24 PM
No, since you are not a TRUE roadie, it's more like naughty, hot, sweaty monkey love in the back of an alley somewhere off Highland. You okay with that? :D
I'll be wearing street clothes. And no "helmet," if you know what I mean. You okay with THAT?
I'll be wearing street clothes. And no "helmet," if you know what I mean. You okay with THAT?
Happytime
10-15-07, 05:29 PM
I'll be wearing street clothes. And no "helmet," if you know what I mean. You okay with THAT?
I've seen M.E. in action. And she's much more dangerous than riding a bike in rush hour traffic.
Street clothes may be optional, but I DO recommend a helmet. :p
Unless, of course, you're referring to other kinds of protective gear...
I've seen M.E. in action. And she's much more dangerous than riding a bike in rush hour traffic.
Street clothes may be optional, but I DO recommend a helmet. :p
Unless, of course, you're referring to other kinds of protective gear...
BigSean
10-15-07, 05:29 PM
i hope they throw the book at the wench...
I hope so too. However not likely. This is California and it will most likely be a manslaughter case, maybe a 6 year sent. Hardly worth a persons life. Our courts dont seem to hold drivers resp. for hitting cyclists.:(
I hope so too. However not likely. This is California and it will most likely be a manslaughter case, maybe a 6 year sent. Hardly worth a persons life. Our courts dont seem to hold drivers resp. for hitting cyclists.:(
merider1
10-15-07, 05:35 PM
I'll be wearing street clothes. And no "helmet," if you know what I mean. You okay with THAT?
:roflmao:
Oh, dear Lord. We've corrupted Placid. :o
:roflmao:
Oh, dear Lord. We've corrupted Placid. :o
cole505
10-15-07, 05:36 PM
The drunk driver is a PIC...?
75% of drivers are PIC, I'm one of them. Step on the gas, steer left, steer right, step on the brakes and I'm at my destination. I do that twice a day everyday for the past 22 years and I still don't consisdered myself a "driver". I wouldn't know how to come to a stop in a hurry without driving into something around me. I've never hydroplane, driven in snow, off-road so I wouldn't know how to handle my car if it looses traction. Anyone can steer a car to their destination but are they a "driver".
75% of drivers are PIC, I'm one of them. Step on the gas, steer left, steer right, step on the brakes and I'm at my destination. I do that twice a day everyday for the past 22 years and I still don't consisdered myself a "driver". I wouldn't know how to come to a stop in a hurry without driving into something around me. I've never hydroplane, driven in snow, off-road so I wouldn't know how to handle my car if it looses traction. Anyone can steer a car to their destination but are they a "driver".
merider1
10-15-07, 05:37 PM
I hope so too. However not likely. This is California and it will most likely be a manslaughter case, maybe a 6 year sent. Hardly worth a persons life. Our courts dont seem to hold drivers resp. for hitting cyclists.:(
Well, technically he could have been a pedestrian. I mean, does the law discern between a motorist/pedestrian and cyclists? In other words, would it be six years if she hit another motorist and killed him/her?
Well, technically he could have been a pedestrian. I mean, does the law discern between a motorist/pedestrian and cyclists? In other words, would it be six years if she hit another motorist and killed him/her?
BigSean
10-15-07, 05:43 PM
Well, technically he could have been a pedestrian. I mean, does the law discern between a motorist/pedestrian and cyclists? In other words, would it be six years if she hit another motorist and killed him/her?
I believe a cyclist is considered a motorist. I have a friend doing a long time in Georgia for the same thing. California seems to handle pedestians differently.:(
I believe a cyclist is considered a motorist. I have a friend doing a long time in Georgia for the same thing. California seems to handle pedestians differently.:(
merider1
10-15-07, 05:47 PM
I believe a cyclist is considered a motorist. I have a friend doing a long time in Georgia for the same thing. California seems to handle pedestians differently.:(
So, are motorists and cyclists considered less valuable than pedestrians! :eek: Wow. I have heard, "whatever you do, do NOT hit a pedestrian" out here before.
So, are motorists and cyclists considered less valuable than pedestrians! :eek: Wow. I have heard, "whatever you do, do NOT hit a pedestrian" out here before.
ronjon10
10-15-07, 06:01 PM
Don't get too excited, PC, but I couldn't agree more with you. Nor could the good, old fashioned dictionary:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
That's such dull black and white way of looking at things.
Take the person who hates riding a bike, but does it only because they got a DUI and lost their license; is that person a cyclist? I say no.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
That's such dull black and white way of looking at things.
Take the person who hates riding a bike, but does it only because they got a DUI and lost their license; is that person a cyclist? I say no.
mateo44
10-15-07, 06:07 PM
So, are motorists and cyclists considered less valuable than pedestrians! :eek: Wow. I have heard, "whatever you do, do NOT hit a pedestrian" out here before.
The issue seems to be whether the penalty associated with killing a pedestrian differs from the penalty for killing a "motorist" (however defined). I don't believe the penalties are different. The CA vehicle/penal code for gross vehicular manslaughter refers only to the killing of a "human being." I can't imagine that it's different for vehicular homicide.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/appndxa/penalco/penco191_5.htm
The issue seems to be whether the penalty associated with killing a pedestrian differs from the penalty for killing a "motorist" (however defined). I don't believe the penalties are different. The CA vehicle/penal code for gross vehicular manslaughter refers only to the killing of a "human being." I can't imagine that it's different for vehicular homicide.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/appndxa/penalco/penco191_5.htm
merider1
10-15-07, 06:08 PM
That's such dull black and white way of looking at things.
Take the person who hates riding a bike, but does it only because they got a DUI and lost their license; is that person a cyclist? I say no.
Dull? :rolleyes: Sorry not to excite you, but it isn't the right of any of us to judge WHY people ride their bikes (after all, one could call that comment a little elitist, Ron - what if someone rides a bike because he/she can't afford a car? Are you going to suggest that person isn't a cyclist?). If a person rides a bike, they are, in fact, a cyclist while on it.
And lets not forget that the public generally accepts and respects those who NEED to ride for tranportation far more than those of us who ride for fun or exercise.
Take the person who hates riding a bike, but does it only because they got a DUI and lost their license; is that person a cyclist? I say no.
Dull? :rolleyes: Sorry not to excite you, but it isn't the right of any of us to judge WHY people ride their bikes (after all, one could call that comment a little elitist, Ron - what if someone rides a bike because he/she can't afford a car? Are you going to suggest that person isn't a cyclist?). If a person rides a bike, they are, in fact, a cyclist while on it.
And lets not forget that the public generally accepts and respects those who NEED to ride for tranportation far more than those of us who ride for fun or exercise.
Placid Casual
10-15-07, 06:26 PM
That's such dull black and white way of looking at things.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that using the conventional and accepted definition of the word "cyclist" is somehow dull and black-and-white. All you're doing is suggesting that we replace one dull, black-and-white definition with another dull, black-and-white definition. The only difference is that yours is tendentious and rests on shakier etymological ground.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that using the conventional and accepted definition of the word "cyclist" is somehow dull and black-and-white. All you're doing is suggesting that we replace one dull, black-and-white definition with another dull, black-and-white definition. The only difference is that yours is tendentious and rests on shakier etymological ground.
Indolent58
10-15-07, 07:07 PM
Let's assume for the sake of argument that using the conventional and accepted definition of the word "cyclist" is somehow dull and black-and-white. All you're doing is suggesting that we replace one dull, black-and-white definition with another dull, black-and-white definition. The only difference is that yours is tendentious and rests on shakier etymological ground.
He said "etymological" :eek:
See M.E.? Now you have PC talking dirty.
He said "etymological" :eek:
See M.E.? Now you have PC talking dirty.
alicestrong
10-15-07, 07:12 PM
I think I'm getting some tendentious in my right knee...
merider1
10-15-07, 07:14 PM
He said "etymological" :eek:
See M.E.? Now you have PC talking dirty.
:eek: I'll have you know that he hasn't even seen mo logical, let alone ety it. What kind of girl do you think I am?
Wait...don't answer that. :p
See M.E.? Now you have PC talking dirty.
:eek: I'll have you know that he hasn't even seen mo logical, let alone ety it. What kind of girl do you think I am?
Wait...don't answer that. :p
Happytime
10-15-07, 07:18 PM
He said "etymological"
That's hot, too.
That's hot, too.
Sci-Fi
10-15-07, 07:48 PM
KNBC has more pictures:
http://www.knbc.com/slideshow/news/14344031/detail.html
From the damage on the car and the long view pictures of the crash scene, she was flying down that street, maybe going 60+ mph and looks like she never got off the pedal with all those ripped out clumps of grass thrown out in the street. Poor guy's family lives in Mexico, so the authorities are trying to contact them. He didn't have a chance, the saddle was ripped off at the rails.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6567/biaccidentpq5.png
http://www.knbc.com/slideshow/news/14344031/detail.html
From the damage on the car and the long view pictures of the crash scene, she was flying down that street, maybe going 60+ mph and looks like she never got off the pedal with all those ripped out clumps of grass thrown out in the street. Poor guy's family lives in Mexico, so the authorities are trying to contact them. He didn't have a chance, the saddle was ripped off at the rails.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6567/biaccidentpq5.png
alicestrong
10-15-07, 07:54 PM
I hate drunk drivers. The question is how to deter more people from driving when they're intoxicated.
merider1
10-15-07, 08:47 PM
KNBC has more pictures:
http://www.knbc.com/slideshow/news/14344031/detail.html
From the damage on the car and the long view pictures of the crash scene, she was flying down that street, maybe going 60+ mph and looks like she never got off the pedal with all those ripped out clumps of grass thrown out in the street. Poor guy's family lives in Mexico, so the authorities are trying to contact them. He didn't have a chance, the saddle was ripped off at the rails.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6567/biaccidentpq5.png
That's heartbreaking and a very sobering sight (no pun intended)...:(
http://www.knbc.com/slideshow/news/14344031/detail.html
From the damage on the car and the long view pictures of the crash scene, she was flying down that street, maybe going 60+ mph and looks like she never got off the pedal with all those ripped out clumps of grass thrown out in the street. Poor guy's family lives in Mexico, so the authorities are trying to contact them. He didn't have a chance, the saddle was ripped off at the rails.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6567/biaccidentpq5.png
That's heartbreaking and a very sobering sight (no pun intended)...:(
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