Classic & Vintage - It seems to be Puegeot week

I just picked up the following for $25 at a second hand shop:

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I am presuming it is the European model as the pump pegs are on the top tube per the dutch catalog rather than the down two like all of the american flavors. I am calling it a 1972 because of the serial # (2332990) on a small plate riveted to the BB shell, and it does not have anything other numbers stamped on the frame. It also oes not have the ugly chain guard of the american UE-8. It is red with black lugs on the head tube.

The bike is original (including bell) except I need the following:

1). A new rear light plastic cover/lense (it is smashed and gone)
2). The bearing cover/end cap for a pedal
3). Frame pump
4). It would appear it came with s little tool back thingy on the rear rack (in the picture). I am sure this is long gone.

If anyone has any idea where I might find any of the above, I would appriciate it. I can also post pictures when I get around to it if it might help.

Thanks.

I should also note it has 700C wheels rather than 27"

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Balindamood,

Here is a pic of a Euro bike I bought this week from a local garage sale. Looks simular to yours. The owner said he purchased it in the 60's. My stamped code in the drop out area was 072330. My bike is also missing the tire pump etc. Do you have any other bikes or Euro parts etc.? Great job saving that one.

As I said, I am missing some things. I also do not seem to have a complete rack (yours does). Could you take some detailed pictures of the piece which connects to the seat stays. It wuld appear that this wrap around the part that attached to the fender. I have the fender thing, but not the one whihc attaches to the seat.

My biggest problem will likey getting a new rear light. Do you have any idea if the frame pump was stamped 'Peugeot" or if it was a no-name (and easier to maybe find) pump?

Thanks!

Balindamood,

I will get you some better pics of the area mentioned. I might ask you also to shoot me some extra pics of your bike. I know I have some aftermarket pedals etc. that I would like to get back to something more original.

Dwaine

I'll get them tomorrow. I think you also have newer handlebars/stem/shifters. I would say you have an UE-18 except that I think theyonly came in mixte form.

I know I have a longer stem for the handlebars. But I am not so sure about the handlebars. Go to the catalog web page. (Cycles Retro Peugeot) Look at the catalog listing 41/22/25 for 1969. The couple with two bikes standing on the pier. I believe both those bikes have the same type handle bar that my bike has. The bars are slightly angeled. My brake assembly handles are slightly shorter than normal to fit these short bars and are Altenburger. I know the shifter levers are not correct and have been extended to the middle of the handlebars. Anyway I don't know but again check out the catalog pic. Tell me what you think.



pic of the bars from the front



Thanks

Dwaine

Dwaine: I am still trying to figure out the date for my AO-8 - I have a 6 digit s/n on the dropout as well (see thumbnail) that is numerically earlier than yours. Decals and other details (except pump peg location) very similar to yours (earlier "tube special allege Peugeot" decal, earlier foil headbadge, etc).

Do you have a better date from the previous owner than "60's"?

Hard to tell from the photos but do you have the "Aztec" lugs on the head tube?

Mark

I have one of those little black vinyl Peugeot toolkit pouches, which originally came with three combination tire lever / wrenches (8, 9, 10mm) and a small 12/14mm wrench. I probably still have those, as well.

More pictures:

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Balindamood, Mark

OK, I am going to stop over at the original owners home this afternoon. Hopefully I will be able to catch him at home. I am going to ask him what mods can he remember doing and what was factory. I know their are some that are obvious and maybe questionable. Mark, I will also ask him if he can remember the date of purchase. My stamped code is 072330. Hopefully it can lead to something more meaningful with these stampings on both our bikes. He is a retired doctor and it seems to me he might remember due to his sharp mind with quick and witty humor during our previous visit. Mark, please help me understand the part aztec lugs. Thanks everyone and I will reply later today.

Some pics are of a wrench and bag that was with bike. Name on outside of bag is Reydel. Inside it has a number and name Brevette. The bell is most likely different and I have attached pics. Has nice chime and logo in center. Logo pics are included. Hope the rear rack attachment pic helps balindamood.

Cheers,
Dwaine

Also, Kirkhoff pic was of the kickstand

Dwaine

The "Aztec" is the stepped cutout pattern on the upper and lower headlugs.

Hmmm... Mine does not have the brase-ons for the rat trap to attach to the seat stay like yours does. I do not know hat to make of that.

I have a couple of bells like the one you have. My wife likes them.

I wonder if the little tool kit thing varied alot. I have seen a couple on ebay and they all seem to be that of component manufacterurs, rather than the bike companies.

Just one more question, does your bike have 700C rims (may be listed as 28x1-3/8 if you have the original tires) or are they 27" (x 1-1/4 or 1-1/8)??

Dwaine: I am still trying to figure out the date for my AO-8 - I have a 6 digit s/n on the dropout as well (see thumbnail) that is numerically earlier than yours. Decals and other details (except pump peg location) very similar to yours (earlier "tube special allege Peugeot" decal, earlier foil headbadge, etc).

Do you have a better date from the previous owner than "60's"?

Hard to tell from the photos but do you have the "Aztec" lugs on the head tube?

Mark

Your SN is the same place as mine. Mine is 345118. I am beginning to wonder if the last digit is the year for the 60's, putting both of ours as 68. Mine is the same color as yours and the same decals as Balindamood. I notice Balindamoods brakes are Mafac Racer which replaced the Dural Forge imprint. I also discovered that after removing the handlebar tape, the handlebars were replaced so I don't know what type it originally had. The only parts that look like they were never replaced are bb, cranks and brake calipers. I suspect that the brake levers are replacement as well, but not sure. Seat and seat post are replacements with a shim to make it fit. Any idea how long that decal setup was used?

Just to make things more complicated, I am beginning to think mine may have actually come from Europe. It has a French registration sticker on it. Further, it has the bell in the european catalogs which is not in the American ones. That is partly why I am curious if you two have 27" wheels or 700C. Mine also does not have the serial number anywhere but on the tin plate on the BB shell.

Using your serial number theory, mine would either be a 1970 (number at the end) or 1972 (number at the beginning).

Peugeot week,
Peugeot

Responding to a couple of previous comments:

1. Mine came with Mafac "Racer" brakes
2. Dwaine's radonneur has the tabs brazed on for racks and lighting equipment
3. Balinamood: yours looks a bit later than Dwaine's/mine as the lion headbadge is more square at the base. What is unusual is that your lugs are painted black, otherwise I would have guessed early 70's AO-8 (maybe 1971? due to the shift levers and down tube decal, the cable guides, and the spoke protector you seem to have gotten with the bike!)
4. Mine came with the steel Rigida patterned rims 27" (which I replaced in the mid-70's with Mavics and sew ups - those wheels went on my mid 70's "race" bike - Wes Mason frame), but those were lost in the sands of time. The current 700C Ambrosios were recently purchased.
5. Eyeseeu: is yours painted a lime/pea green or a metallic kelly green? Mine is a different colour than a green UO-8 I have seen around here (the UO-8 was a darker green)

I'm no expert but twistypa/maimijim/john e may have a better idea where we all are on this!

Mark

Mark,
The color of mine is tough to tell under the grime and fading, but it looks like a lighter color than the usual metallic green ones. The front wheel looks like a cheap steel rim on a nice Normandy hub; they don't look like they came together.

Here is a blurb on sn's from Classic Rendezvous:

Peugeots are typically marked with a serial number on the underside of the bottom bracket. Bikes built in the 1960's have the numbers stamped directly in the BB shell, and often have Nervex trademark and bottom bracket tube angle markings as well.There are six digits used on bikes from the 50's and 60's and seven digits used on bikes from the 70's. Bicycles built during the 80's have eight digits and a letter prefix. Around 1970, Peugeot began stamping the numbers on an aluminum plate which was riveted to the underside of the bottom bracket shell. It is unclear whether this applied to all bicycles. Some examples have gaps in the serial numbers. The flaw to this arrangement is the ease with which serial number plates are removed. Numerous Peugeots originally numbered with riveted plates can now be identified only by their decal schemes.Some examples have lower numerical serial numbers while having later decal schemes. By the end of the 1970's, Peugeot serial numbers were once again stamped in a more permanent fashion. Peugeots built in France during the 1980's can be dated by year through use of their serial numbers. Following a letter prefix, typically Y or B, the first number of the numeral code indicates the bicycle's model year (ex. PKN-10 #B 0667631, built in 1980). Track bicycles, at least, appeared to have their numbers stamped on the left rear dropout.

I don't see anything about the numbering sequence of 6 digits, but if it was the same as with 7, then the first digit of mine is a 3. That would be 63 or 53. 53 no way, and 63 I doubt, but possibly. 73 would have had the extra digit and the letter designator. There is also no sign of any rivets or removed tag on my bb.

I guess my problem is that when it doesn't add up I won't let it go until I figure it out. Great for work, but annoying (to myself and others) with the bikes. :lol:

3. Balinamood: yours looks a bit later than Dwaine's/mine as the lion headbadge is more square at the base. What is unusual is that your lugs are painted black, otherwise I would have guessed early 70's AO-8 (maybe 1971? due to the shift levers and down tube decal, the cable guides, and the spoke protector you seem to have gotten with the bike!)

This is why I am beginning to think mine is of Euroupean descent. I have pump pegs on the top tube rather than on the down tube, and mine has 700c Rigilea wheels. The rack and color scheme is inconsistant with American/Canadian catalogs of the time period. The icing on the cake is the French registration sticker on the downtube (not pictured) and the rear fender (first series of pictures).

I stopped by the original owners home this afternoon and they were out. Maybe dinner etc. I am going to follow-up with him tomorrow. I first saw the bike in his garage and asked if it was for sale. He did say its an old bike that he bought new while living in France during the 60's. Followed by, can you believe I've had that bike for 40 years. Now that might be a generalization in age but I think it might be again from the 60's as he stated. The beauty of this situation is being able to ask an original owner if he can provide more details. I am really hoping he will remember and enjoy discussing these questions and date of purchase with me. If so it looks like a great win win.

Balindamood, in answering a couple earlier questions. 1) I don't have the tire pump so I am not sure what it looked like honestly. (Plain or ingraved etc.) 2) As far as my rims, they are mark as 28 1 5/8 700d Made in France Chromage SuperChromix RIGIDA.


Also, my unusual short slightly angles handle bars can be clearly seen or identified on the website "Cycles Retro Peugeot" in the 1969 brochure PE 41/22/25. I am sure the longer chrome neck and added gear levers to the handle bars are add ons. I am going to leave the longer neck but try and get correct gear levers to go back below on the tube along with correct pedals.

Im not sure at this point if we are any closer in figuring out the date stamps. but this is fun and challenging. I hope someone etc. can help us all come to a final answer. Thanks all, its been a fun round of thoughts and discussion.

Dwaine
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