Classic & Vintage - Help w/60's Cinelli identity...
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I know, worthless without pictures. I haven't bought it yet, and didn't take my camera...nonetheless, what can y'all tell me about this one?
It's a claimed mid-60's Cinelli. Old-school Columbus decal. Seat tube sticker says "Mod SC", and I understand there was a period where both the Speciales and the Supers (Corsa) got the generic "SC" decals. Serial #1193. Frame is burgundy w/chrome lugs, fastback stays, seat cluster lug chrome all the way around. Has a BB oil port, solid lugs and probably original sloping crown fork. This makes it a Speciale (Model A), yes?
Componentry looks as though it's been jury-rigged. Stronglight crank w/triangular BB spindle (!), Mafac brakes, Record hubs, Campy post, Cinelli bar/stem. Anybody see the $6k Gran Sport derailleur just gone on eBay? This has a GS body in the rear, which has been *******ized with the addition of a long-cage Simplex pulley cage
Frame is huge (63cm) and in good condition...straight, no dents, paint is pretty clean, decals good, chrome is reasonable except for heavily pitted seat cluster lug.
Seller knows it's special, and is very wary of being sold short. I'm wondering *how* special, and am very wary of overspending.
Any opinions welcome...
It sounds like an early 60's SC/Special Corsa. The components do not sound "jury rigged" to me they sound like a pretty typical early 60's build which is worth bonus points in my mind. The addition of the long cage is also a very usual "mod" done back in the day by keen cyclists' and shops, such as the famous Spence Wolf and his Cupertino Bike shop.
A bike in the condition you described with period pieces would go for $1,200 to $1,700 on EBAY.... IF it was like a 55-58 CM, I think less being so large.
10-24-07, 08:06 AM
Two comments: 1. What a nice find. Seems to be as sold or build up originally. My B Model also came with Mafac brakes and Universal Brake-levers. This was the choice of a lot of pro riders in the day.
2. I do not think that there is a real difference between a Speciale Corsa or Super Corsa model. Just two different names for the same model due to a decal printers error. (as reported by Cinelli-Experts) The only other different models I know of where the B-Model and the Riviera, the latter was made at the Garlatti factory and was the low level bike.
In this state i would range it above 1500 for sure........
I'd agree with vjp. There's a '71 on ebay now, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320172837801&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011 , if you want a "gauge".
From your description, the condition of yours seems much better, which of course will increase it's value over the ebay bike. As for the large size, I am not certain it would drive the price down. I'm sure there a lot of tall people just waiting for a Cinelli that fits them.
Also, with the oiler port and the GS RD, I would think it is an early 60s bike. The SC is the top of the line, they stopped production of the GS in '63. I don't think a shop would add an "old" derailleur to their "best" bike. If you can, measure the width of the BB shell. It will be either 70 mm or 74 mm. And for the record, the price difference a GS from '51 ($6,100) and one from '60-'63 ($40) is substantial.
As for the decals, a Speciale Corsa and a Super Corsa are the exact same bike, the only difference being the decal. Apparently there was a mistake at the printer and Cino did not want to waste perfectly good decals.
Sounds like a Spence Wolf bike. If it has a triangular bb spindle, I'd suggest it has an early TA crank. Pretty rare itself and worth a few bucks. He liked to use Mafac calipers and Weinmann levers, and developed a long cage for the Gran Sport rear. I'd think $2,000. would not be out of line if the paint and chrome is original and in good shape, except the size limits potential buyers.
10-24-07, 10:32 AM
The referenced ebay bike, has issues, added braze ons (non original paint), risk of shipping from europe, dead chrome, not taken care of.
The description sounds like a "Spence Wolf" imported bike, in a smaller size $2k would be very conservative. In that size it depends on what how many of the big men NEED a Cinelli.
I would not expect to walk away with it for cheap.
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