Classic & Vintage - Galmozzi Questions

Hey I Have One-are They Collectable? I Foound One Reference On Classic Roundevous? Help?

Cool lets see some rooster pics!

I Have A New Digital And Am Cleaning The Bike......it Is In Great Condition-all Campy W/ High Flange Record On Ma40's

Yes, they are "collectable". The MA 40's are probably not original. Post pics or more info if you want more info.

Hey guys, extend every courtesy to the newbie. I sent him over from craigslist. I gave all of you C&V experts my personal recommendation. Thanks.

Cant wait to see it, gotta love rooster decals!

I'll post photo tomorrow----What else can you guys tell me..........

I also look forward to seeing photos! I would love to find a Galmozzi!

I heard they are up there with Masi's and Colnogo's and Cinelli's..............Yes? I have a Italian Masi too :)

OH yeah.............I "campy ignorant" How do you date the components? Is there a link-I heard there are letters and circles or squares? The components are in fantastic condition but the seat post is selle royale? and of course a newer saddle.

One friend I rode with in the early 70s had one. Quite nice, I understand they are now a bit rare and quite desirable. The hub locknuts are usually the quickest reference, if original.

Galmozzis are fairly rare and are getting more and more collectible as more folks hear about them. They are very nicely made bikes. They certainly deserve to be mentioned with any of the other top small Italian builders. The famous rooster headbadge is actually a play on the maker's name: gallo = rooster, mozzi = hub. The headbadge is a rooster astride a hub. I would love to own a Galmozzi, and have been on the lookout for one for some time. That and a Picchio Special were at the top of my Italian desirable list - guess which one I found first. I've seen one up close that dates from the early 70's - very nicely made and well-finished, though not as filed to death as one would expect from an Eisentraut or Carlsbad Masi. Just really nice, handmade, small-producer Italian steel.

Links to a couple of nice Galmozzis:

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/maasland/1975-Galmozzi/

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/John-Waner-Bikes/JW-Galmozzi/

Webike4fun,

here is a good start on date codes:
http://www.vintage-trek.com/component_dates.htm
also check out
http://www.campyonly.com/phpBB2/index.php
there is a wealth of information over there.

You have an Italian Masi? we need pictures, details of frame etc.
you've hit the motherlode.

marty

Yeah I scored.........this one was repainted by Brian Bayless too! Chrome forks, chainstay and NO RUST!
I got it from Ye Olde Bike Shoppe here in San Diego.....Anyone in the SD area who knows the owner Dave he is a great guy as is his son Dave JR..........

Galmozzi as a shop, was set up in the 1920's when Galmozzi senior left Gloria as he felt that Focesi (the owner of Gloria) was not sufficiently interested in racing. He therefore set up his own shop and later taught his son to also build. Galmozzi junior retired in the late 70's, so your rims are most definitely original. Galmozzi built their own top of the line models, but also marketed some low end bikes sourced from other makers (the same as Colnago, Pinarello, De Rosa...).

Here's the pics:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140173760172

All in all pretty disappointing. Re-paint, mis-matched parts, and a sloppy build.

Sorry doen't meet your standards.... I'm new to the vintage stuff and the guys I trust here in san Diego were pretty stoked....Everyone thought it was in great condition. I did not know about the re-paint but Cyclearts, well who else would you have paint your bike besides maybe Joe Bell, also here in san Diego. A Galmozzi is RARE....I've only seen one. The new owner will be stoked! BIG PICTURE GUYS:-a cheap tiawanese carbon bike is 3000.00 and Trek has pimped all there carbon stuff out too. So we are in a very limited market for classic steel framsets. This one with the period correct adjustments will be a GREAT vintage ride. When the cycling world rediscovers steel, as I believe it will, this framesets with be worth a lot more...I know people in the vintage car market and their debates are the same....which year Mustang was the best or the GTO that sold a the Barrett Auto auction had machined brake calipers not the original.......Well the car is still rare and cool.....And thats what the new owner paid for.....So, the Galmozzi, despite the criticisms, is still a really cool vintage bike. And the new owner can add his own "sweat" equity to the bike by finding the period correct parts and that is why we do this vintage thing: the process and the the history. Cheap Tiawanese bikes have no soul. This bike, as many of the vintage bikes you have, have soul! We all know it, we can feel it and thats what make us different and out bikes different! MY .02

For what it's worth, I thought the white 54cm just sold on ebay, looked pretty nice, though not my size, not in my price range and I've only seen them in silver... but I'd guess, a) someone really wanted it, regardless of price, and b) may already have to right parts to improve the "correctness". Certainly tougher than a Cinelli or Masi to find.

That was mine! Came from an estate sale. Bike had a ton of dust! But everything worked great. Everyone who saw it was impressed. I had emails from the purists and they had some interesting comments but most really were inpressed. I'm a newbie but learning quickly that there are some real experts out there and they do not hesitate to put their .02 in.

Sorry doesn't meet your standards.... I'm new to the vintage stuff and the guys I trust here in san Diego were pretty stoked....Everyone thought it was in great condition. I did not know about the re-paint but Cyclearts, well who else would you have paint your bike besides maybe Joe Bell, also here in san Diego. A Galmozzi is RARE....I've only seen one. The new owner will be stoked! BIG PICTURE GUYS:-a cheap tiawanese carbon bike is 3000.00 and Trek has pimped all there carbon stuff out too. So we are in a very limited market for classic steel framsets. This one with the period correct adjustments will be a GREAT vintage ride. When the cycling world rediscovers steel, as I believe it will, this framesets with be worth a lot more...I know people in the vintage car market and their debates are the same....which year Mustang was the best or the GTO that sold at the Barrett Auto auction had new, machined brake calipers not the original ones.......And there are no original brake calipers on the planet! Well, the car is still rare and cool.....And thats what the new owner paid for.....So, the Galmozzi, despite the criticisms, is still a really cool vintage bike. And the new owner can add his own "sweat" equity to the bike by finding the period correct parts and that is why we do this vintage thing: the process and the the history. Cheap Tiawanese bikes have no soul. This bike, as many of the vintage bikes you have, have soul! We all know it, we can feel it and thats what make us different and our bikes different! MY .02

Sorry - I'm with Otis on this one, based on the pics he linked to. This bike is an object lesson in the fact that, when it comes to truly collectible bikes, a so-so restoration is worse than no restoration at all. Does the item description even mention that this is a repaint? In any case, despite what the auction description says, there is a TON of work (and expense) involved before this bike will be a showpiece. Hope the new owner knows that, but in his frenzy to punch the BIN and score a Galmozzi, I suspect not. Unlike the OP, I am not new to the vintage stuff, and that bike isn't worth what the seller paid, in my informed opinion.

Question: Is a Joe Bell or Cycle Arts re-paint good or bad? I was under the impression, from the prices they are getting, they were the benchmark of cycling painting AND if you wanted to own a rare and collectable, like the Galmozzi, AND it was re-painted, this would be, obviously not as good a mint original paint, but the next best thing? The bike sold for 2499 and this was based on what I have seen older Colnagos and Cinellis IN WORSE condition sell for.......I would think you guys would try to find some positive things to say too.....It is a cool bike....How often do you see em'

A Cyclart paintjob is good, some others may be better, all are costly. I think some people are thinking that for those dollars it should have been "better", more "original" and more period "correct". However, as I said, it's a tough bike to find, probably fits the buyer and is just what they were looking for, hence the buy-it-now. Some other day on ebay there may be another that is better, or worse, and it will sell for less, or more than that one. Not my size, not my price range but I'd guess both buyer and seller are happy.

Look at it this way, it was probably a well used, well loved bike. At some time it needed a new paint job; over the last 36 years parts broke, parts were upgraded (in fact, I think they were sold as frames in the US), tastes changed, different seats are tried. Maybe the owner couldn't afford the Campagnolo brakes until the 80s? A bike is only period correct when its in the shop, after that, its a work in progress. Some people care to keep them original, many could care less and use whatever comes their way to keep riding. The collector obsession is a relatively recent event.

I love them, but they're just old bikes. 99.9% of the people in the world don't care at all.

I certainly can't presume to understand what the buyer knows or does not know, or fault them for how they want to spend their money.

Question: Is a Joe Bell or Cycle Arts re-paint good or bad? I was under the impression, from the prices they are getting, they were the benchmark of cycling painting AND if you wanted to own a rare and collectable, like the Galmozzi, AND it was re-painted, this would be, obviously not as good a mint original paint, but the next best thing? The bike sold for 2499 and this was based on what I have seen older Colnagos and Cinellis IN WORSE condition sell for.......I would think you guys would try to find some positive things to say too.....It is a cool bike....How often do you see em'

Those Colnagos and Cinellis sold for more because often, worse condition is better, if it's original.
The next best thing to mint original paint is patinaed original paint. Next best thing to that is pretty-well-patinaed original paint (say, 6 on a 10 scale). (This is for relatively rare bikes, not for every 80's Colnago Super out there.) Then we get to a correctly done repaint in the heirarchy of collectable condition. And this one is not original - i.e. at least one of the decals may be incorrect, and it's probably had braze-ons added. Hence, restoring the bike doesn't just involve finding the period parts, but a whole new repaint and braze-on removal. I'm not saying it's junk, by any means. It's a pretty cool bike. I just wonder if the buyer knew what he or she was getting in their haste to grab it, as the description implies that the bike is in substantially original condition, with very little investment needed in order to make it a "showpiece." In it's current condition, I don't believe it's a $2500 bike - which is not to say it's not worth that to the seller regardless. It very well may be. But I don't think that negates legitimate analysis of the bike and/or its sale price. I think it's logical to wonder whether the fact that it sold for $2500 has anything to do with a disconnect between the description and the actual bike in question.

Sorry doesn't meet your standards.... I'm new to the vintage stuff and the guys I trust here in san Diego were pretty stoked....Everyone thought it was in great condition. I did not know about the re-paint but Cyclearts, well who else would you have paint your bike besides maybe Joe Bell, also here in san Diego. A Galmozzi is RARE....I've only seen one. The new owner will be stoked! BIG PICTURE GUYS:-a cheap tiawanese carbon bike is 3000.00 and Trek has pimped all there carbon stuff out too. So we are in a very limited market for classic steel framsets. This one with the period correct adjustments will be a GREAT vintage ride. When the cycling world rediscovers steel, as I believe it will, this framesets with be worth a lot more...I know people in the vintage car market and their debates are the same....which year Mustang was the best or the GTO that sold at the Barrett Auto auction had new, machined brake calipers not the original ones.......And there are no original brake calipers on the planet! Well, the car is still rare and cool.....And thats what the new owner paid for.....So, the Galmozzi, despite the criticisms, is still a really cool vintage bike. And the new owner can add his own "sweat" equity to the bike by finding the period correct parts and that is why we do this vintage thing: the process and the the history. Cheap Tiawanese bikes have no soul. This bike, as many of the vintage bikes you have, have soul! We all know it, we can feel it and thats what make us different and our bikes different! MY .02

Nothing wrong with being "new" to something, nobody is born knowing anything. But to me it's best to learn a little more on the subject before making big claims and assumptions.

If you had followed up with pictures on your original thread I think you would have received the facts needed to sell this bike properly. Not just going off half-cocked that it's RARE. I think you got lucky that somebody bought it at your price. If they're happy with their purchase so be it.

It still is a great bike, but unfortunately restored at a time when the appreciation of bikes like this was very limited. The "soul" you speak of was removed from the this bike at that time paint was stripped off.

So now the bike should go to Joe Bell, or Brian Baylis. Have the offending braze-on's removed and re-painted with proper decals. Excellent original parts will need to be tracked down. And in the end the new owner will have about five grand invested in a really nice Galmozzi restoration. Will it be worth it? To somebody, probably yes.

I thought I was being honest as possible, in fact considering the pictures I feel this was a very good auction description, as are all of my Ebay auctions are. I have 500 + positive feedback and that means something. You guys are experts in the vintage arena-I get that. I'm not and do not claim to be an expert in fact quite the opposite-that is why I took so many pictures! I do have a love, like many of you, for older steel framesets. There cool and unique. The reality here is the Galmozzi is a cool vintage frameset with a mix a campy parts some not period correct based on the fact they were not on the bike whenit was sold..... My friend sold a rene herse (sp?) to a collector in Japan that was not rideable, had rust and many non-original parts for over 5000.00- the new owner was going to restore it. The bike was found as a thrift shop! So what does that say?

Ironically, I also have a Campy 8 speed ergo grouppo on a vintage Masi frame! Why? I ride to work in traffic and I do not want to take my bars or eyes off the road!. I enjoy the bike because it rides GOOD-better than my carbon Khota Kharma in fact. To many collectors this is blasphemous (sp?) mixing a 90's grouppo with a 80s bike- definitey not period correct but the bike is, at the end of the day, a machine for transportation, quite possibly the best machine ever invented at that. But to 99.9% of the world, it is a tool for transportation or a toy to be disguarded at adulthood in favor of four wheels. Now some of us choose to see them as more than that and well thats when it gets. from what little I know but am now seeing, very subjective. Which year Campy is best? which year Masi. braze-ons v. clamp-ons for cable guides. Fords v Chevys or Sunni v. Shiite......

It is man's nature to debate and discuss-we americans are very good at it! Yet, the best part guys, and we can all agree on this point, is those brief moments, the wind-in-the-face feeling, wheeling down the road on a unique, one-of-a-kind bike that no one else has, the one you have cleaned, changed parts, touched-uped, that bike that the weekend Trek 1000 crowd has never seen nor knows anything about, and the bike that only a few, very few cyclists recogonized and then they stop, check it out, smile and say, "cool bike bro!" Thats what it is all about! Agree!

My friend sold a rene herse (sp?) to a collector in Japan that was not rideable, had rust and many non-original parts for over 5000.00- the new owner was going to restore it. The bike was found as a thrift shop! So what does that say?

it says that I have been looking in the wrong thrift shops.

If it says Singer around these parts its a sewing machine.

Really...nobody's dissin you. Put what you want on'er, just don't take a hack saw to the permanent bits.

An interesting bike that sold for a provacative price, a Cyclart (note spelling) repaint where someone attempted to remove the transfer advising as such. At the time it was repainted it was probably "just an old bike" upgraded to suit the owner, tastes regarding modification have changed, even weather to repaint or not, in the 80's it was about painting to save from rust, and adding braze ons to help prevent dirt catchers and more rust. The paint does not impress me here, rust appears to be creeping from the BB cups and head set races, I am not convinced the BB cable guides are rust free either, but it needs a respray anyway.

Be interesting what the new owner decides to do with it, probably had Universal brakes or "standard reach Campagnolo, not the short reach with drop bolts front and rear. Nice fork crown, that could use new chrome too, a restoration could cost $1000, with transfers, chrome mod removal, I have no idea what other chrome it had originally.

I have seen other Galmozzi's and this one shows a short top tube and probably a slack head angle, might evven be 71 degrees, no steeper than 72, but the seat tube angle reads steeper.

This might be a case where too much was paid for it TODAY, but after money, time and effort, "break even" could be attained, and with the pleasure of riding it to boot.

I guessed this one would show up around the corner on the CR list, the buyer came forth. You can read it yourself, unfortunately Kevin did not notice the repaint. It was haste, but he did not have to outbid anyone, just ask fewer questions and be ready to commit.

Buyer posted to CR, seems happy.

As of today, I own three Galmozzi bikes, one from the 50's, one from the 60's and one from the 70's. As a brand, Galmozzi's are great bikes, with great provenance. The bike that sold on ebay is however a far cry from original. I am convinced that the new owner will be happy in the long run, but find the description to have been unfair and totally misleading. At this point there are two explanations: either a total newbie seller or somebody trying to deliberately mislead.

Had it been my auction and I were a newbie bike seller, and learned of all the deficiencies of the bike, I would have volunteered a partial refund to the seller. Such a refund is, in my opinion, the only ethical thing to do. I feel that such a refund is warranted because of the numerous misrepresentations. The auction text makes no mention of the repaint and the repaint decal looks to have been willingly hidden or obscured. The text says that apart from the Shimano brake shoes, everything is apparently period-correct. I feel that when one uses such declarations in your auction text, combined with the myriad of quotes from the CR website, you can no longer claim to be a newbie and ignorant. A newbie also doesn't state, were it my size, I would keep it... Lastly, a newbie doesn't have 500 bike related auctions.

Here's the latest: I took the bike to Brian Baylis (the link is on the CR website-check out his work) to help with a reluctant stem and well, that stem was terminal! It had to be cut and the fork steer tube had a big bulge from the wedge bolt being jammed into it! At the very least, it would need a new steer tube. So after confering with the new owner, we both agreed the best option was to leave the frame and fork in the best hands possible to do a full restoration. I agreed to pay 1/2 of that and we are both statisfied. I am a firm believer in "what goes around, comes around" and it is always best to do the right thing even when our society rewards the opposite. I feel that everone is winning with this option: New owner will have a real classic, I feel I did the right thing and the frame will be restored properly to period correct condition. By the way, 99% of all my Ebay transactions are bike related though not usually vintage stuff.

Here's the latest: I took the bike to Brian Baylis (the link is on the CR website-check out his work) to help with a reluctant stem and well, that stem was terminal! It had to be cut and the fork steer tube had a big bulge from the wedge bolt being jammed into it! At the very least, it would need a new steer tube. So after confering with the new owner, we both agreed the best option was to leave the frame and fork in the best hands possible to do a full restoration. I agreed to pay 1/2 of that and we are both statisfied. I am a firm believer in "what goes around, comes around" and it is always best to do the right thing even when our society rewards the opposite. I feel that everone is winning with this option: New owner will have a real classic, I feel I did the right thing and the frame will be restored properly to period correct condition. By the way, 99% of all my Ebay transactions are bike related though not usually vintage stuff.

Thanks for writing the update. Your actions speak clearly of your good character. It is good to know that there are other like-minded people who realize that the bike gods will reward their good deeds.

Here's the latest: I took the bike to Brian Baylis (the link is on the CR website-check out his work) to help with a reluctant stem and well, that stem was terminal! It had to be cut and the fork steer tube had a big bulge from the wedge bolt being jammed into it! At the very least, it would need a new steer tube. So after confering with the new owner, we both agreed the best option was to leave the frame and fork in the best hands possible to do a full restoration. I agreed to pay 1/2 of that and we are both statisfied. I am a firm believer in "what goes around, comes around" and it is always best to do the right thing even when our society rewards the opposite. I feel that everone is winning with this option: New owner will have a real classic, I feel I did the right thing and the frame will be restored properly to period correct condition. By the way, 99% of all my Ebay transactions are bike related though not usually vintage stuff.

Good for you! That was the right thing to do. I am a pretty serious collector and the numerous problems (pointed out by previous posters) are things that put me off from buying ---- and I am looking for a Galmozzi! Anyway sounds like all will work out in the end and I hope the new owner posts pics when the bike is completed.