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randya
 
ANOTHER local media outlet weighs in....


Bikes and Cars

With six bicycle-rider fatalities this year, including two in the last few weeks, city officials are moving quickly to make changes aimed at preventing more deaths. KINK Considers bicyclists and motorists.
City Commissioner Sam Adams is right to take the recent deaths of two bicyclists and the death of four other bike-riders this year seriously. But Adams may be moving too fast in his proposal to put bike boxes at 14 intersections. With a bike box, a motorist stops at a line on the pavement just before the intersection while bicyclists overtake the motorist and move into a box right at the intersection and in front of the motorist. The so-called right hook is the most common cause of bike crashes. That's when a car or truck is turning right while a bicyclist alongside is trying to go forward through the intersection. An alternative that we think merits further exploration, is California's law. That basically allows the motorist to get as close as possible to the curb just before making a right at an intersection.

The ultimate solution to promote bicycle safety and more bicycling in Portland is separation of motor vehicle and bicycle traffic. This would be good for bicyclists and motorists. We have suggested moving ahead on plans for a northeast bike path similar to Springwater as well as putting physical separators with special traffic lights on a couple of main downtown routes. The city should consider a bond issue for major bicycle infrastructure projects.

While city officials may be in a hurry to help, they should look at how Portland handled another contentious safety issue in the past---dogs in the parks . A wide-ranging planning effort over a long period of time--actually too long in that case--has substantially eased that problem. We should do the same and have a bicycle master plan for Portland that includes advocates for bicyclists, motorists, pedestrians, and transit riders. Many people simply can't commute by bicycle and just putting bike boxes out there might be seen as a punishment for motorists that would actually increase conflict.
http://www.kink.fm/Bikes-and-Cars/1157082


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KnhoJ
 
That's unfortunate, they seemed to be one of the more liberal stations. Also unfortunate, comments from the page seem to go directly into the writer's personal email.

The station's General Manager, Stan Mak's email address is available here (http://www.kink.fm/Contact-KINK/130196).


CB HI
 
Interesting that cyclist on roads are equated as a similar problem to dogs in parks.


randya
 
^^good point


maddyfish
 
"The ultimate solution to promote bicycle safety and more bicycling in Portland is separation of motor vehicle and bicycle traffic"

First separation, then elimination.


KnhoJ
 
Interesting that cyclist on roads are equated as a similar problem to dogs in parks.

But most importantly, as a punishment for motorists.


Allister
 
"Many people simply can't commute by bicycle and just putting bike boxes out there might be seen as a punishment for motorists that would actually increase conflict."

WTF!?

How, by any stretch of the imagination, is it a punishment? They still get to leave the intersection at the same time. Unbelievable.


Mr. Underbridge
 
Interesting that cyclist on roads are equated as a similar problem to dogs in parks.

It's an analogy, and they didn't use the word 'problem'. They said that the city should take a similar approach to another 'contentious safety issue' and come up with a master plan for the transit problems in the area. All they're saying is that piecemeal solutions don't work, but that with effort various parties can be pulled into a workable consensus. While it may be overly optimistic, I really have a hard time faulting the idea, or the analogy.

Whether one agrees with the solutions they favor or not is an entirely different matter.


joejack951
 
An alternative that we think merits further exploration, is California's law. That basically allows the motorist to get as close as possible to the curb just before making a right at an intersection.

Um, that's the law virtually everywhere except for those few states who decided they should change the rules, like Oregon and Arizona, presumably to enhance the comfort of cyclists. Those bike boxes aren't going to change a thing except for possibly making the problem worse.


CB HI
 
It's an analogy, and they didn't use the word 'problem'. They said that the city should take a similar approach to another 'contentious safety issue' and come up with a master plan for the transit problems in the area. All they're saying is that piecemeal solutions don't work, but that with effort various parties can be pulled into a workable consensus. While it may be overly optimistic, I really have a hard time faulting the idea, or the analogy.

Whether one agrees with the solutions they favor or not is an entirely different matter.Did they solve the "dogs in the parks" "safety issue" by giving them blue dog lanes and blue doggy boxes or did they just ban dogs in the park?;):D


donnamb
 
Did they solve the "dogs in the parks" "safety issue" by giving them blue dog lanes and blue doggy boxes or did they just ban dogs in the park?;):D
They never solved that problem. The serial dog poisoner eventually stopped but was never caught. To this day, they've never got so much as a tenuous lead.


CB HI
 
They never solved that problem. The serial dog poisoner eventually stopped but was never caught. To this day, they've never got so much as a tenuous lead.That sucks.
Similar thing happened on Maui a few years back.
Edit: How can poisonining dogs be a "contentious safety issue"; it is flat out criminal!


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