Specialized fan
10-31-07, 08:09 PM
I tried the slime filled tube and it isen't working for me as I have gone through 2 of those in a short time.
Mountain Biking - What is a good anti thorn combination?
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Dannihilator
10-31-07, 08:13 PM
Simple, you can do one of 3 things.
1)Suck it up and take a couple of spare tubes with you, and some patches.
2)Suck it up and not worry about flatting.
3)Keep the bike in the garage, collecting dust.
Or if you are too lazy to do any of those three.
Tufo liners do a decent job.
1)Suck it up and take a couple of spare tubes with you, and some patches.
2)Suck it up and not worry about flatting.
3)Keep the bike in the garage, collecting dust.
Or if you are too lazy to do any of those three.
Tufo liners do a decent job.
Chris0381
10-31-07, 08:24 PM
Talk about thorns. My legs got all scratched up today plowing a new path near were I live. I suggest Mr Tuffies strips if you dont mind implants in your tires.
xcracer13
10-31-07, 08:37 PM
1.stans no tubes
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2. maxxis crossmark ust lust
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no more flats
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2. maxxis crossmark ust lust
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no more flats
Dannihilator
10-31-07, 08:56 PM
1.stans no tubes
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2. maxxis crossmark ust lust
=
no more flats
Not true.
Depends on the size of the puncture. Any sealant is only good to a certain sized puncture. If the puncture is more of a tear, you're screwed. Also no tire is puncture proof, except for those solid rubber/hard plastic tires.(In which you have to worry about flat spotting the tires.)
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2. maxxis crossmark ust lust
=
no more flats
Not true.
Depends on the size of the puncture. Any sealant is only good to a certain sized puncture. If the puncture is more of a tear, you're screwed. Also no tire is puncture proof, except for those solid rubber/hard plastic tires.(In which you have to worry about flat spotting the tires.)
Dragoneyes
11-01-07, 11:59 PM
Get a set of Specialized Captains with armadillo protection. I ran over thorns and had 5 in each tire and no flats. The only downside is that they are on the heavy side.
C Law
11-02-07, 05:51 AM
Simple, you can do one of 3 things.
1)Suck it up and take a couple of spare tubes with you, and some patches.
2)Suck it up and not worry about flatting.
3)Keep the bike in the garage, collecting dust.
Or if you are too lazy to do any of those three.
Tufo liners do a decent job.
Don't listen to this utter nonsense (posted by an admin even)
For frequent thorn punctures, your best bet is to run a tubeless setup with stans sealant.
UST tires on UST rims with sealant would be your most bulletproof setup but you can convert the rims you have and use regular tires also.
My question to you would be what type of rider are you? That would help me recommend an equipment choice for you
Not true.
Depends on the size of the puncture. Any sealant is only good to a certain sized puncture. If the puncture is more of a tear, you're screwed.
That is true, but we are talking about thorns here, which usually produce a small hole in tire and tube.
Also, how is someone running stans more screwed than someone running olivers if they get a tear in the tire that does not seal? Either way, you are going to have to take the tire off and put a tube in there. So your pretty much equally screwed in that case running tubeless or tubed.
Running a tubeless setup does not mean you don't carry a tube anyway for emergencies.
1)Suck it up and take a couple of spare tubes with you, and some patches.
2)Suck it up and not worry about flatting.
3)Keep the bike in the garage, collecting dust.
Or if you are too lazy to do any of those three.
Tufo liners do a decent job.
Don't listen to this utter nonsense (posted by an admin even)
For frequent thorn punctures, your best bet is to run a tubeless setup with stans sealant.
UST tires on UST rims with sealant would be your most bulletproof setup but you can convert the rims you have and use regular tires also.
My question to you would be what type of rider are you? That would help me recommend an equipment choice for you
Not true.
Depends on the size of the puncture. Any sealant is only good to a certain sized puncture. If the puncture is more of a tear, you're screwed.
That is true, but we are talking about thorns here, which usually produce a small hole in tire and tube.
Also, how is someone running stans more screwed than someone running olivers if they get a tear in the tire that does not seal? Either way, you are going to have to take the tire off and put a tube in there. So your pretty much equally screwed in that case running tubeless or tubed.
Running a tubeless setup does not mean you don't carry a tube anyway for emergencies.
Barneco
11-02-07, 07:02 AM
For frequent thorn punctures, your best bet is to run a tubeless setup with stans sealant.
UST tires on UST rims with sealant would be your most bulletproof setup but you can convert the rims you have and use regular tires also.
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Running a tubeless setup does not mean you don't carry a tube anyway for emergencies.
You really can't say it any better. I went from flatting 3 times a week on thorns(sometimes 3 a ride) to no flats in 3 years simply by switching to stan's strips and sealant.
UST tires on UST rims with sealant would be your most bulletproof setup but you can convert the rims you have and use regular tires also.
...
Running a tubeless setup does not mean you don't carry a tube anyway for emergencies.
You really can't say it any better. I went from flatting 3 times a week on thorns(sometimes 3 a ride) to no flats in 3 years simply by switching to stan's strips and sealant.
Dannihilator
11-02-07, 08:22 AM
Anything will puncture regardless of setup, stans is good against small punctures, but on larger punctures and tears it's worthless, just like any other sealant. Besides the OP is asking about tubed tire solutions.
Saying tire set up is puncture/flat proof is stupid.
Saying tire set up is puncture/flat proof is stupid.
Blade-Runner
11-02-07, 08:32 AM
Besides the OP is asking about tubed tire solutions.
The only solution is Stan's, regardless if he is asking for a tube solution. :p
I get so ticked off when folks in my area join us on local rides and I find out they are running tubed tires. We have yet to have one of them not get a flat on a ride. :rolleyes:
The only solution is Stan's, regardless if he is asking for a tube solution. :p
I get so ticked off when folks in my area join us on local rides and I find out they are running tubed tires. We have yet to have one of them not get a flat on a ride. :rolleyes:
C Law
11-02-07, 09:04 AM
Anything will puncture regardless of setup, stans is good against small punctures, but on larger punctures and tears it's worthless, just like any other sealant. Besides the OP is asking about tubed tire solutions.
he is? where does he ask that?
he is? where does he ask that?
xcracer13
11-02-07, 04:20 PM
i guess you could put stans in a tube. might clog up the valve though
dematrix
11-02-07, 04:39 PM
i know its not anti thorn but i find the best way is to take 2 extra innertubes and a small pump + some times depending on where im rideing patches incase i get more than 4 punctures
Chris0381
11-02-07, 05:06 PM
What if you got oversized innertubes cut them along their circumference and tacked them to a new tube (partially inflated) or line the inside of the tires with them and use them as a barrier like Mr Tuffies.
mrchristian
11-02-07, 05:44 PM
+1 on STANS
You can use your existing rims and tires...just make sure they are compatible. See their website for details:
http://www.notubes.com
Otherwise, your LBS can order it for you/install it for you if you need them to (in many cases its a serious hassle and is totally worth it to have someone do it for you) Using a tubeless tire (even if you're not using a tubeless rim) makes it way easier as well as the bead will lock in place easier.
Another option would be to get heavy duty thorn-resistant tubes and add slime to them (with the green tube). The slime tubes with the sealant inside them already are crap IMO, BUT the sealant DOES WORK well if you add it afterward.
If you do get a flat:
1. remove thorns
2. inflate tire with pump/co2
3. spin the wheel and maybe it will seal up
Downside? It's super-heavy and not for the weight conscious
Sometimes it will and sometimes it won't. Slime is sort of limited and works, but I have seen MIRACLES performed by STANS. I say forget the tuffy-liners and ghetty alternatives...a lot of times they work, but they are a pain to install and often end up pinch flatting or deforming your tires and feel kind of weird, especially when running lower pressures needed for mountain biking.
You can use your existing rims and tires...just make sure they are compatible. See their website for details:
http://www.notubes.com
Otherwise, your LBS can order it for you/install it for you if you need them to (in many cases its a serious hassle and is totally worth it to have someone do it for you) Using a tubeless tire (even if you're not using a tubeless rim) makes it way easier as well as the bead will lock in place easier.
Another option would be to get heavy duty thorn-resistant tubes and add slime to them (with the green tube). The slime tubes with the sealant inside them already are crap IMO, BUT the sealant DOES WORK well if you add it afterward.
If you do get a flat:
1. remove thorns
2. inflate tire with pump/co2
3. spin the wheel and maybe it will seal up
Downside? It's super-heavy and not for the weight conscious
Sometimes it will and sometimes it won't. Slime is sort of limited and works, but I have seen MIRACLES performed by STANS. I say forget the tuffy-liners and ghetty alternatives...a lot of times they work, but they are a pain to install and often end up pinch flatting or deforming your tires and feel kind of weird, especially when running lower pressures needed for mountain biking.
Chris0381
11-02-07, 06:31 PM
Im hearing that the slime tends to gather in a clump in one area of the tube causing a weird feeling also in the tire.
What are Stans ?
What are Stans ?
The Figment
11-02-07, 06:52 PM
Get a set of Specialized Captains with armadillo protection. I ran over thorns and had 5 in each tire and no flats. The only downside is that they are on the heavy side.
+ 100 on the Armadillos!! I live in Goat Head Hell (The Midwest) and the 'Dillos on my ride work just fine!
+ 100 on the Armadillos!! I live in Goat Head Hell (The Midwest) and the 'Dillos on my ride work just fine!
Dannihilator
11-02-07, 07:37 PM
he is? where does he ask that?
The slime tube thing.
The slime tube thing.
DirtPedalerB
11-02-07, 07:48 PM
i hate slime .. when you flat with that stuff you get a bunch of goo on your wheel.. I just suck it up and run regular tubes.. I rarely ever flat though.. guess I'm not riding hard enough