Classic & Vintage - retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos

he guys, im just about th start building an old guericotti road bike up using a mix of 10speed campy parts. i thought it would be great to have a thread that showed bikes that others have added modern STI"s or Ergo shifters to. post em up people!!!

Not terribly old, but nowhere near new:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/lamplightsg/Bertoni/IMG_9433copysmall.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/lamplightsg/Bertoni/IMG_8749copyWEB.jpg

That is the first time I have ever seen brifters with toeclips. :)

This thread reminds me of classic car restorers and collectors, who fall into three broad and over-generalized categories:
1) Keep everything as original as absolutely possible, even if this entails manually adjusting your spark advance as you drive and tolerating a dim-bulb 6-volt electrical system, possibly even one with positive ground, which could get interesting (in the worst sense of the word) during a jump start.
2) Maintain the look and feel of the old, while taking advantage of modern technology, including perhaps electronic ignition and disc brakes.
3) Keep the body and overall shape, but freely build a hot rod with a modern powertrain, brakes, and electricals.

Not terribly old, but nowhere near new:

That Bertoni has to be the nicest modernized classic steel machine I've ever seen. It all just seems to "fit."

-Kurt

I'm getting ready to put 9-speed DA on my 80's Miyata. Has anyone used the Sheldon Brown method for re-spacing the rear drop-outs?

Gorgeous bike, 'Lamplight' :D

That brooks looks killer on that bike.

~nuff said

That Bertoni has to be the nicest modernized classic steel machine I've ever seen. It all just seems to "fit."

-Kurt

Wow, thanks Kurt! :)


Gorgeous bike, 'Lamplight' :D

That brooks looks killer on that bike.

~nuff said


And thank you! :) It actually has a Rolls on it right now, because I needed the Brooks for my Univega.

No Brifters, but my Razesa has a 9 speed indexed downtube shifter one the right, controlling an 8-speed era Ultegra 600 derailer on an Ultegra 9-speed cassette and DA 8-speed cassette body on a 6-speed DA hub. The front is a Suntour derailer controlled with an older DA friction shifter pushing the chain up and down on a Campy GS crank. It all works great together. Shifting is WAY snappier than the old 6-speed corncob, and as an added bonus I've got a much wider gear range without loosing much in terms of close ratio spacing.

I guess you could say I fall into the hot rod it category. THis is one of the nicest frames of any age I've ever ridden, and modern gears and brakes make it better than new.

http://velospace.org/files/r1_1.jpg (http://velospace.org/node/4946)

Lamplight, here's my version of a Bertoni
1987 Corsamondiale with 8s Ergo Chorus/Record equipped.
http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/d/174628-4/Bertoni_1.jpg
http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/d/265999-2/100_7000.jpg

Great thread, great bikes. I'm in a quandry about my 80's Pinarello. Somebody put downtube cable stops where the shifters went and I recently bought a 2006 Campy Record crankset. What all do I need to go Campy with downtube shifters? Or should I just go with the ergo levers and keep the drivetrain modern?

I do not have fond memories of friction shifters but figured it was due to riding Muffy bikes. I'd really hate to spend a lot of time and money to go through the old push, push, push, there it is, gear shifting again.

Here is mine: 85 Eddy Merckx Corsa with Shimano 7 speed group (mostly Dura Ace)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1396/539716888_c8de3a39b9_o.jpg

Lamplight, here's my version of a Bertoni
1987 Corsamondiale with 8s Ergo Chorus/Record equipped.
http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/d/174628-4/Bertoni_1.jpg
http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/d/265999-2/100_7000.jpg


Ah yes, one of the only Bertonis I've seen online besides mine! :D I really, really like the paint on yours. What a great looking bike! Sometimes mine looks a little over-done to me. I have no idea what model or year mine is, but I think it's early '90s judging by the TSX tubing.

I'm working on upgrading a 1972 Paramount with 8-speed campy ergo index shifters. Just had to drill out the frame a bit this weekend to accept recessed chorus brakes. Next phase is getting the frame painted. I'll update with pictures when I'm further along.

Tracy

Wow, thanks Kurt! :)

You deserve the praise - it is a machine to be extremely proud of, that's for sure!

P.S.: Get that Brooks back on it! ;)

-Kurt

Ah yes, one of the only Bertonis I've seen online besides mine! :D I really, really like the paint on yours. What a great looking bike! Sometimes mine looks a little over-done to me. I have no idea what model or year mine is, but I think it's early '90s judging by the TSX tubing.

My BB (normal place underneath) has a 4 digit serial number, plus another code, A.7. Another BF'er helped me out. The A refers to the first 2 weeks of January. The 7 is for '87. Does yours have any similar looking code?

And thanks, love your Bertoni, too. This one I built for my daughter and it's just too small for me. I like the ride well enough that I'll be searching out a larger Bertoni to fit me.

One of the great things about the old steel frames is their ability to adapt. My '87 Pinarello went from 7sp to 8sp to STI. The rear was easily spread to the wider axel width.
The new carbon frames won't be able to adapt should the standard change in the future.
CroMo can always be updated by a good frame builder.

Wow that Bertoni IS nice, strangly enough Ive never heard of bertoni...

Im planning on doing this myself for my main ride next year... got all the parts just need a worthy frame to hang em on. Right now im pondering a newer (but classic looking) steel frame for a good price and may just go with that, on the plus side I wouldnt have to spread the triangle as its already spaced correctly... the sad thing is I'd really like something with a chromed rear triangle.

You deserve the praise - it is a machine to be extremely proud of, that's for sure!

P.S.: Get that Brooks back on it! ;)

-Kurt
Thanks again! I considered getting another Brooks for it, but I really don't ride the bike much, to be honest. :o And the Rolls is very fitting (but very uncomfortable!)


My BB (normal place underneath) has a 4 digit serial number, plus another code, A.7. Another BF'er helped me out. The A refers to the first 2 weeks of January. The 7 is for '87. Does yours have any similar looking code?

Interesting. Mine says "56" on one side of the BB shell, which I assume is the size. And on the other side it just says "555". Maybe it's a '95?

Something interesting I recently discovered:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc255-bobtorres0207.html

It's nearly identical, except with a different name! I am assuming these two companies could have been related at some point. Anyone know for sure?

Then you haven't seen my 1995 Raleigh r300 with RSX brifters, MKS platform pedals and black resin toeclips. I know, I know, I have no sense of style.

Maureen



That is the first time I have ever seen brifters with toeclips. :)

This thread reminds me of classic car restorers and collectors, who fall into three broad and over-generalized categories:
1) Keep everything as original as absolutely possible, even if this entails manually adjusting your spark advance as you drive and tolerating a dim-bulb 6-volt electrical system, possibly even one with positive ground, which could get interesting (in the worst sense of the word) during a jump start.
2) Maintain the look and feel of the old, while taking advantage of modern technology, including perhaps electronic ignition and disc brakes.
3) Keep the body and overall shape, but freely build a hot rod with a modern powertrain, brakes, and electricals.

My Ciooc:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/jetsanchEz/march010-1.jpg

My Palo Alto (again :o):

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/jd6572/Misc%20ride%20pics/PaloAlto-1-1.jpg

Bossman, love the matching bottles. Are they stainless or extruded Al?

You do know you're all going to hell, right? :D

Bossman, love the matching bottles. Are they stainless or extruded Al?

Aluminum. Got 'em on close-out for less than $4 each, delivered. I bought several. :D


You do know you're all going to hell, right? :D

Yes, but we're going there in style. ;)

199? Guerciotti EL w/Shimano 600 & FSA RD-80s (my personal favorite for riding if I've been slacking off for a while):

http://www.jaysmarine.com/guerciotti_1990s_retouchedphoto.jpg

-Kurt

My Palo Alto (again :o): ...

That thing is freakin' gorgeous, but then I am biased in favor of red. :)

I am more likely to go with nonindexed barcons than brifters, but I am extremely inclined to switch over to a 9-speed freehub (or an 8-speed with 9-speed spacing) the next time I need to replace a rear wheel on anything but the keep-it-original 1960 Capo.

hey guys.. i'm interested in throwing a modern 130mm 9 or 10 speed road wheel into a vintage, 80's, 126mm spaced road frame... is there anything to it? i read sheldon's site about cold setting, but i think i'd rather not do that if i can just squeeze the frame apart and put the wheel in without too much trouble... is there any hiccups i should watch out for? i won't need to redish the wheel will I? <scared face>

will a crazy new external bottom bracket crankset work on an old frame, like the new shimano 10 speed cranks? i figure as long as it's 68mm english it's fine...

oh.. also... do modern brake calipers mount on 80's road frames? has that changed a whole lot?

Without cold-setting the frame every time you have to take the wheel off or put it on you will have to fight against the resistance of four steel tubes which can get annoying really quickly. If you are afraid of doing it yourself then have a framebuilder or LBS do it for you. And no, you won't have to re-dish your wheel.
-Any 68mm BB should fit your 80's frame including the outboard bearing style.
-As long as the original wheels were 700c modernbrakes should work (assuming that you don't have a 650c TT bike)

199? Guerciotti EL w/Shimano 600 & FSA RD-80s (my personal favorite for riding if I've been slacking off for a while):

http://www.jaysmarine.com/guerciotti_1990s_retouchedphoto.jpg

-Kurt


what kind of saddle is that?

what kind of saddle is that?

Selle Royale CX, plastic pan w/hard foam padding and leather stitched top, and if I may comment on my experience with every single one I've used, they're guaranteed to numb your nuts in 5 miles or less.

Fine for out-of-the-saddle rides...useless in all other respects.

-Kurt

I just noticed this thread after placing this pic in the classic/vintage sticky.

Gitane, don't know the model. 501 frame and fork. Nothing really special, but it is a perfect fit and I love the ride.
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4255/1001024mediumqs7.jpg

My Palo Alto (again :o):

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/jd6572/Misc%20ride%20pics/PaloAlto-1-1.jpg

Beautiful!

199? Guerciotti EL w/Shimano 600 & FSA RD-80s (my personal favorite for riding if I've been slacking off for a while):

http://www.jaysmarine.com/guerciotti_1990s_retouchedphoto.jpg

-Kurt

I always loved those back in the '90s! This is the first time I've seen a picture of yours complete, and it looks just right. And that is a massive flower in the background. :D

You do know you're all going to hell, right? :D

You must be referring to that carbon fork that somehow slipped past the censors. ;)

-As long as the original wheels were 700c modernbrakes should work (assuming that you don't have a 650c TT bike)

Also be sure you have holes designed for recessed nuts, or you'll need to drill. There are modern dual pivots available for traditional nutted mounting, but there are very few sources for them.

Also, be aware that when you spread the rear dropouts vs. coldsetting, you also slightly change the angle of the rear derailleur hanger, which may give you problems with crisp shifting. If you can find a qualified shop to spread the rear triangle (not always easy, depending on your location), they should also align the hanger. Currently, I have one frame spread, rather than coldset, and I've experienced some finicky shifting. Could also be a chainline issue, or the fact that I'm using friction barcons on a modern 'light action' drivetrain.

my '89 paramount os - w/ original 8 spd. dura ace set up -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/jvpro/bike086.jpg

hey guys.. i'm interested in throwing a modern 130mm 9 or 10 speed road wheel into a vintage, 80's, 126mm spaced road frame... is there anything to it? i read sheldon's site about cold setting, but i think i'd rather not do that if i can just squeeze the frame apart and put the wheel in without too much trouble... is there any hiccups i should watch out for? i won't need to redish the wheel will I? <scared face>

will a crazy new external bottom bracket crankset work on an old frame, like the new shimano 10 speed cranks? i figure as long as it's 68mm english it's fine...

oh.. also... do modern brake calipers mount on 80's road frames? has that changed a whole lot?

The difference between old 126mm spaced frames, and new 130mm hubs is... wait a second while I do the math... uhm... 4mm. ;)

It's no sweat the squeeze a 130mm road hub into a 126 steel frame without cold setting. 135 mountain hubs require cold setting. If you re-read the Sheldon Brown page I think you will find he states you can generally go up one size on a steel frame without cold setting. i.e. 120-126, or 126-130.

I always loved those back in the '90s! This is the first time I've seen a picture of yours complete, and it looks just right. And that is a massive flower in the background. :D

It did turn out quite nice, but I'm still considering ripping off those FSA wheel logos. The red doesn't match anything else. I also need to put a decent pair of pedals and straps on this thing...

Take care,

-Kurt

And here's my submission:

http://jonpfischer.com/thecuda/photos/upload/Serotta/Serotta1.jpg

some more photos in this thread: http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=348302&highlight=serotta
and in the Serotta link in my sig.

I also did a short write up on the challenges of putting new components on vintage frames which can be read on VeloBase.com (http://velobase.com/ArticleView.aspx?ArticleFile=83e586a3-ce6f-4de4-a3f7-7a72b53ec70b)

I must say that 80's - early 90's bikes do make very sweet "hotrods" as these fine examples have shown. One of these days I'm going to find a nice red/white/chrome Bottecchia SLX or TSX frame from that period and do the same thing. I haven't seen any older bike that I liked that much upgrading on - the mid-80's styling changes were HUGE compared to what had been the standard for some 40 odd years or so prior to that and haven't changed a lot since except for the carbon stuff so carefully adding a few modern bits to later bike is hardly noticable except for the brifters. Even then I'm fine with the old style Campy brifters with the pointy tops. The newer ones not as much and the Shimano not at all but to each his/her own.

My 1986 Schwinn Voyageur with Shimano 105 compact double 10 speed drive train.

More pics to follow in the "Vintage Touring Bike" thread once I get the racks on her, and probably my Brooks saddle.

My Battaglin - also again...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/genejockey/BatFinal1.jpg

It's not a big deal to cold set a frame. I've attached a picture of my father in-law spreading my 1972 Paramount frame to 130 from 120 using a Swedish clamp. Worked like a charm. A frame shop will probably charge $50 or so to do it for you.

Concerning the brakes, I bought some used modern campy chorus brakes to put on my frame. All I had to do was drill one side of the frame out a little bit to accept the recessed brakes. Again, no big deal.

Tracy

My Peugeot Triathlon. Added the 8 spd 105 STI's. And before anyone says anything, yes that is a technomic. :) (Frame's a little small.)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b83/tricknoisemaker/Level.jpg

My '87 912 (again)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1367/1472783334_97bdd753fb_b.jpg

My '87 912 (again)

That is a beautiful bike..... but you lose points for the mismatched tires. :D

..... but you lose points for the mismatched tires. :D

Check back in the spring. I need about 2K to rectify that problem.

As requested in another thread (if you read it)...
1986 Trek Elance 400T. It came (originally and to me) with Sakae SX 50-45-32 triple (170mm on a 23" frame. Is that odd? I expected 175's), Shimano Light Action friction dt shifters, non-aero levers, original Specialized Body Geometry saddle, 14-28 6sp freewheel, Shimano Z-570 (with quick release) brakes, and Malliard hubs laced to Matrix Titan 700C wheels. The 86s were supposed to come with a 5sp freewheel on Rigida wheels, but the guy who owned it says it came off the showroom floor with the 6sp stuff (his parents bought it for him before he went off to college).
The bike now has Tiagra brake/shifters, original derailleurs & brakes, original crank & BB, Cane Creek Stratos wheels, Nitto Technomic stem (I had it set up w/high moustache bars & barend shifters for commuting), Salsa Bell Lap Moto Ace 'cross bars, Specialized Alias 130mm saddle and a 12-25 9sp cassette. All the modern parts came off my Surly CrossCheck. The Trek is a lot nicer frame, it rides better, has better brakes, is lighter (originally 23.5 lbs, now about 22), and is way better looking. :)
Being new(er) to cycling I didn't realized how nice a pump peg (no velcro strap needed for the frame pump) and a chain holder are.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/2057788166_e0cf45cd9f_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/2057004027_716ffe5f07_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2057005409_03d5f8d16a_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2007/2057793010_a197937bbf_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2138/2057007811_3aeff74d79_m.jpg

I've taken up plenty of space, more pics here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/20044325@N02/sets/72157603271994938/).

Another Trek:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n154/marengo_77/Trekside.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n154/marengo_77/trekfront.jpg

Shifters? You mean those lever thingys attached to the cables that went to those mechanical looking gizmos that my chain went around? I didn't know I was supposed to replace them?

http://velospace.org/files/fg3.jpg

Here my marinoni

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1323/img2354qy5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8994/img2366le9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)