Road Bike Racing - Barry Bonds Indicted

finally

That is all

About time. The dude would have been an automatic Hall of Fame shoo-in without roids too. Great player. Massive head case.

I was very angry tonight after the indictment. WTF? The Feds couldn't have brought this case last March? Give me a friggin break. All the evidence in this matter is like five years old. Instead they jerked around until Bonds broke the Aaron record making this situation much more painful for the entire nation. I just don't get that. Does anybody? Does anybody get anything the Feds ever do about anything in the past 6 years?
I didn't think so.

This indictment effectively ends Bond's career. It should have ended before this season ever started.

I'm 55. I don't understand anything anymore.

About time. The dude would have been an automatic Hall of Fame shoo-in without roids too. Great player. Massive head case.

I was very angry tonight after the indictment. WTF? The Feds couldn't have brought this case last March? Give me a friggin break. All the evidence in this matter is like five years old. Instead they jerked around until Bonds broke the Aaron record making this situation much more painful for the entire nation. I just don't get that. Does anybody? Does anybody get anything the Feds ever do about anything in the past 6 years?
I didn't think so.

This indictment effectively ends Bond's career. It should have ended before this season ever started.

In more ways than one...

I hope Aaron finally comes out about how pissed he is and puts bonds in his place.

I hope Aaron finally comes out about how pissed he is and puts bonds in his place.

nah, Aaron has stayed classy throughout this whole disgrace, possibly too much so. I hope the MLB strips bond's tittle so the real legend can stay above this muck where he belongs.

i'm over pro sports

Remember, he was indicted for lying to the grand jury under oath not for taking PEDs. This will have no impact on his baseball records.

Remember, he was indicted for lying to the grand jury under oath not for taking PEDs. This will have no impact on his baseball records.

It already has. The collectible ball for his record breaking HR was sent to Cooperstown with an asterisk emblazoned on it after fans voted to do so on the Internet and the owner of the ball complied. You bet it will have an impact on his baseball records. Stay tuned.

Barry Bonds ... is he that candy armed left fielder that choked in the playoffs year after year, couldnt throw out a crippled Sid Bream at the plate from deep short, on a hard hit ground ball, when Sid was trying to score from 2nd?

Barry Bonds ... is he that candy armed left fielder that choked in the playoffs year after year, couldnt throw out a crippled Sid Bream at the plate from deep short, on a hard hit ground ball, when Sid was trying to score from 2nd?

The same. Mr. April is what we called him Pittsburgh.

Remember, he was indicted for lying to the grand jury under oath not for taking PEDs. This will have no impact on his baseball records.

He lied about saying he did not knowing take PEDs and Gary Anderson didn't inject him. ESPN reported that there is evidence from the BALCO investigation that Barry did failure a BALCO test for PEDs. Barry this whole time has been saying he has never failed a Baseball test, but that is only part of the truth.

Remember, he was indicted for lying to the grand jury under oath not for taking PEDs. This will have no impact on his baseball records.
I'll bet that it eventually does.

i'm over pro sports

+1

Pro sports has gotten so ridiculous, and it's our fault.

About time. The dude would have been an automatic Hall of Fame shoo-in without roids too. Great player. Massive head case.

I was very angry tonight after the indictment. WTF? The Feds couldn't have brought this case last March? Give me a friggin break. All the evidence in this matter is like five years old. Instead they jerked around until Bonds broke the Aaron record making this situation much more painful for the entire nation. I just don't get that. Does anybody? Does anybody get anything the Feds ever do about anything in the past 6 years?
I didn't think so.

This indictment effectively ends Bond's career. It should have ended before this season ever started.

What, no forgiveness? doping in sports? ridiculous. Barry was framed by the French and Canadians, with Dick Pound. The lab that tested Bonds needs to be investigated, as well as anyone who accused Bonds who was molested. Barry should write a book, start a defense fund and get working on his appeal. I'm going to donate to Free Barry. While he's at it, he should play the race card and blame everything in is life on that testing lab.

Innocent until enough money is paid to prove innocent.

I hope they ship him off to FPMITAP (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fpmitap) before long. Don't drop the soap, Barroid!

What, no forgiveness? doping in sports? ridiculous. Barry was framed by the French and Canadians, with Dick Pound. The lab that tested Bonds needs to be investigated, as well as anyone who accused Bonds who was molested. Barry should write a book, start a defense fund and get working on his appeal. I'm going to donate to Free Barry. While he's at it, he should play the race card and blame everything in is life on that testing lab.

Innocent until enough money is paid to prove innocent.


Where's the positive dope test on Armstrong? Right. There aren't any. They have those on Bonds. Did Armstrong lie to a Grand Jury? No.

Forgiveness has its place. Bonds isn't it.

i'm over pro sports

Yep, same here. In fact, I consider pro sports a silly phrase. If it is pro, it is no longer the sport, but just entertainment business.

After all, the concept of a sport is where rules are followed to make it fair for all so that a contest can be engaged in. With the professionals, the goal is to win at whatever cost so that you can increase your earnings.

Sounds like business to me, not sports.

finally

That is all

Who's Barry Bonds?

Who's Barry Bonds?

I'm not sure...did he used to ride for TMO? I'm gonna take a wild guess and predict that Slipstream/Chipotle will not be interested in him.

Wait...he does race bikes, right?

Who's Barry Bonds?

Just some dude that could hit a baseball. Then realized the harder he hit the ball the more we paid him. The more he got paid the more he hit. His best friend Greg said take this magic gel and rub it on yourself and you will hit more home runs and people will pay you more. Well now he has hit too many home runs and we want our money back so we can pay another dude named A-Rod to hit more.

Where's the positive dope test on Armstrong? Right. There aren't any. They have those on Bonds. Did Armstrong lie to a Grand Jury? No.


There is sworn court testimony from four different people that Armstrong was doping prior to his cancer, and sworn admission from a US Postal coach of an active US Postal doping program.
Armstrong's lawyers had these tidbits sealed at the conclusion of the case. His lawyers also threatened to sue several US news agencies who have seen the leaked testimony. Only the CBC and BBC have done stories because Lance's goons have no legal power in those countries. Not quite the actions of someone with nothing to hide.

Regardless, America will still be the 'World Champions' of baseball.

There is sworn court testimony from four different people that Armstrong was doping prior to his cancer, and sworn admission from a US Postal coach of an active US Postal doping program.
Armstrong's lawyers had these tidbits sealed at the conclusion of the case. His lawyers also threatened to sue several US news agencies who have seen the leaked testimony. Only the CBC and BBC have done stories because Lance's goons have no legal power in those countries. Not quite the actions of someone with nothing to hide.

Regardless, America will still be the 'World Champions' of baseball.

Sworn court testimony has both been untrue and lied about throughout history...and what better lie can you tell but something that the person you are accusing can not prove? It is a win win for the lier....

Not to say you are wrong BUT that sworn court testimony in this case means about NOTHING in my book....

What does this have to do with road bike racing? FOO!


i'm over pro sports
+ 1 million

There is sworn court testimony from four different people that Armstrong was doping prior to his cancer, and sworn admission from a US Postal coach of an active US Postal doping program.


He said She said dude. That won't stand up in a U.S. Court, one without the kangaroos. Show me the EVIDENCE. If you don't have any, that's show biz. And that's the part you'll never get about pro sports. It's ALL show biz. Emphasis on the biz.

Does anyone care if a few people declare that they're DONE WITH PRO SPORTS!? Oh no. Will the NFL, MLB, or any other pro sport survive?

Yes. Sports are more entertaining than 99% of the crap coming out of Hollywood.

About time. The dude would have been an automatic Hall of Fame shoo-in without roids too. Great player. Massive head case.

I was very angry tonight after the indictment. WTF? The Feds couldn't have brought this case last March? Give me a friggin break. All the evidence in this matter is like five years old. Instead they jerked around until Bonds broke the Aaron record making this situation much more painful for the entire nation. I just don't get that. Does anybody? Does anybody get anything the Feds ever do about anything in the past 6 years?
I didn't think so.

This indictment effectively ends Bond's career. It should have ended before this season ever started.


i wouldnt say the "entire" nation. some of us couldnt give a flying cr@p about baseball.

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i wouldnt say the "entire" nation. some of us couldnt give a flying cr@p about baseball.

The 99% of the nation not walking around with a wedgie and Birkenstocks.

Just some dude that could hit a baseball. Then realized the harder he hit the ball the more we paid him. The more he got paid the more he hit. His best friend Greg said take this magic gel and rub it on yourself and you will hit more home runs and people will pay you more. Well now he has hit too many home runs and we want our money back so we can pay another dude named A-Rod to hit more.

Nail on head ................. nail on head. Nicely done.

... Brad

There is sworn court testimony from four different people that Armstrong was doping prior to his cancer, and sworn admission from a US Postal coach of an active US Postal doping program.
Armstrong's lawyers had these tidbits sealed at the conclusion of the case. His lawyers also threatened to sue several US news agencies who have seen the leaked testimony. Only the CBC and BBC have done stories because Lance's goons have no legal power in those countries. Not quite the actions of someone with nothing to hide.

Regardless, America will still be the 'World Champions' of baseball.

Isn't LA retired? Time to move on from that subject.

Nail on head ................. nail on head. Nicely done.

... Brad

If you think that insipid oversimplification is 'hitting the nail on the head' you must be a big fan of the George Bush/Neoconservative Cliff's Note View of U.S. Foreign Policy.

It already has. The collectible ball for his record breaking HR was sent to Cooperstown with an asterisk emblazoned on it after fans voted to do so on the Internet and the owner of the ball complied. You bet it will have an impact on his baseball records. Stay tuned.

That action was decided long before the indictment, therefor the indictment didn't cause it. Which are you saying is causal? Additionally, this symbolic and stupid qimmick could result in absolutely nothing depending on how Cooperstown reacts? Just because the get the marked ball doesn't mean they'll display it or even acknowledge it. Bonds has promised to never grace them with his ego if they show off the marked ball- a mild and egocentric threat but why risk it. MLB hasn't made an official comment. What a stupid and meaningless gesture.


I'll bet that it eventually does.

You'll bet that a indictment (not a verdict but an indictment) will eventually effect his baseball records? In a sport where there weren't rules against his doping during the time when he admits to having unknowingly (his claim not mine) taken BALCO products? Under what circumstances and under what rules will the MLB take action?

If Pete Rose still holds his records and MLB couldn't be more angry at him then Bonds certainly won't receive more wrath.


Isn't LA retired? Time to move on from that subject.
Truer words have rarely been spoken.

I was referring to the entire Bonds doping scandal. The indictment was a foregone conclusion already factored into the stock price dude. The tainted Bonds legacy makes the asterisk next to Maris' HR record seem rather microscopic. Does anybody outside of SF care if Barry doesn't ever show up at Cooperstown?

No.

You'll bet that a indictment (not a verdict but an indictment) will eventually effect his baseball records? In a sport where there weren't rules against his doping during the time when he admits to having unknowingly (his claim not mine) taken BALCO products? Under what circumstances and under what rules will the MLB take action? If Pete Rose still holds his records and MLB couldn't be more angry at him then Bonds certainly won't receive more wrath.
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I meant that I believe (ala Marion Jones) the perjury indictment will eventually lead to a conviction and confession. Call me crazy but, that's what I believe.

Regardless, America will still be the 'World Champions' of baseball.

What the hell are you talking about, the winning American pro team becomes the World Series Champion, the World Baseball Classisc that they played in April determined Japan to be the World Champs.

Besides name a professional baseball team based outside of the United States that could win the World Series.

About time. The dude would have been an automatic Hall of Fame shoo-in without roids too. Great player. Massive head case.

I was very angry tonight after the indictment. WTF? The Feds couldn't have brought this case last March? Give me a friggin break. All the evidence in this matter is like five years old. Instead they jerked around until Bonds broke the Aaron record making this situation much more painful for the entire nation. I just don't get that. Does anybody? Does anybody get anything the Feds ever do about anything in the past 6 years?
I didn't think so.

This indictment effectively ends Bond's career. It should have ended before this season ever started.Think new attorney general looking for high profile, slam dunk cases that will consume lots of media bandwidth and divert attention away from other sporting controversies, like waterboarding. The old attorney general was to busy pursuing the current buffon brigade's personal vendettas to bother with this kind of stuff.

'Waterboarding' does sound like a cool beach sport, not like the simulated near-drowning torture method that it is. It is astonishing to me that anyone considers this technique a 'debatable' form of torture. I get the sense that being personally exposed to this practice would quickly convince anyone who doubts that.

You waterboard Pcad and you could get me to say 'DocRay is the MAN' within 3 minutes.

Hmmm, not taking the time to research, but waterboardings sounds almost like the dunking that they would give suspected witches. Witch hunts for suspected Islamic terrorist - yep, I can see that. You have the right to torture someone to prove that they are guilty.

Nothing new, and unfortunately it isn't new for us.

Now, back to Bonds - or frankly, who cares? I long time ago decided he could hit a million homeruns and I wouldn't be impressed with him - just with the science. After all, I might be able to create a bionic arm that could beat him.

Hmmm, that is a possiblity - chop off an arm and insert a bionic one. Win lots of money for tampering with my body. After all, lots of people lose their arm, in this way you would be a millionaire. Anyone complains and I will invoke the Disabilities Act. ;)

That is the reasoning here - sacrifice your body, your health, and perhaps your sanity to make a few million. It isn't only sports figures who do that.

Hmmm, not taking the time to research, but waterboardings sounds almost like the dunking that they would give suspected witches. Witch hunts for suspected Islamic terrorist - yep, I can see that. You have the right to torture someone to prove that they are guilty.

Nothing new, and unfortunately it isn't new for us.

Now, back to Bonds - or frankly, who cares? I long time ago decided he could hit a million homeruns and I wouldn't be impressed with him - just with the science. After all, I might be able to create a bionic arm that could beat him.

Hmmm, that is a possiblity - chop off an arm and insert a bionic one. Win lots of money for tampering with my body. After all, lots of people lose their arm, in this way you would be a millionaire. Anyone complains and I will invoke the Disabilities Act.

That is the reasoning here - sacrifice your body, your health, and perhaps your sanity to make a few million. It isn't only sports figures who do that.

Millions of avid baseball fans in the USA and I'd daresay worldwide. I realize this will make the cycling nerds here spit out their morning latte, but that's a fact.

The 'frankly who cares' comment applies to cycling (pro and amateur) for 99% of the world. As evidenced by the complete lack of concern over cycling deaths on the roadways of America. Read it and weep. I may be one of you cycling morons, but at least I understand my place at the bottom of society's food chain.

PCad Cycling Zen students: please note the Self-Loathing in the post above. Embrace the disdain of self, refocus that on a hatred of Fredosity, and approach Cycling Nirvana on Earth.

i wouldnt say the "entire" nation. some of us couldnt give a flying cr@p about baseball.


+1

'Waterboarding' does sound like a cool beach sport, not like the simulated near-drowning torture method that it is. It is astonishing to me that anyone considers this technique a 'debatable' form of torture. I get the sense that being personally exposed to this practice would quickly convince anyone who doubts that.

You waterboard Pcad and you could get me to say 'DocRay is the MAN' within 3 minutes.

I've been through Navy SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape school). It would not take 3 minutes and you would be saying that Doc Ray is God. In fact you would say anything to get them to stop. The fun part is that after they waterboard you you get to spend a LOT of time in a tiger cage. That is also a b**ch.

If you think that insipid oversimplification is 'hitting the nail on the head' you must be a big fan of the George Bush/Neoconservative Cliff's Note View of U.S. Foreign Policy.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but, not every conservative supports Bush. I don't trust him as far as I could throw Michael Moore. Also, I don't have a simplified, watered-down view on anything. If I don't understand something, I read until I do. I especially don't want to take someone's view as my own just because he/she said so.

Your globalizing statement kinda sucks, man.

'Waterboarding' does sound like a cool beach sport, not like the simulated near-drowning torture method that it is. It is astonishing to me that anyone considers this technique a 'debatable' form of torture. I get the sense that being personally exposed to this practice would quickly convince anyone who doubts that.

You waterboard Pcad and you could get me to say 'DocRay is the MAN' within 3 minutes.

Alberto Gonzalez is giving a speech on campus here tonight. Supposedly, the student run organization which brings speakers here is paying him $40k to speak.

I think I'm going to protest with my wife. She's going to dress me up and "waterboard" me.

Your globalizing statement kinda sucks, man.

But this is BF. Boneheaded oversimplification/globalization does not suck here, it totally RULES. If you hadn't noticed.

No offense sub, just busting balls. That's part of Pcad Cycling Zen too. You just need some cycling endorphins to feel better. Me too. I'm going for a post-snowstorm ride now. And it is quite heartening to learn that there are some on the Right who don't drink all the Bush/Cheney Kool Aid.

What is the biggest fall out from the 'War on Terror' and the subsequent debate? The apparent failure to recognize that we're all on the same side here. What a concept. Maybe Talk Radio is a concoction of Al Queda's Intelligence Agency designed to divide the American people. It's working.

Just keeping it real man. Keeping it real. ;)

Just keeping it real man. Keeping it real. ;)

Sorry again ss. And as always Semper Foo.

By the way, for anybody who thinks 'nobody cares' about the Barry Bonds indictment, when's the last time a cycling doping scandal illicited a comment from the President of the USA?

Millions of avid baseball fans in the USA and I'd daresay worldwide. I realize this will make the cycling nerds here spit out their morning latte, but that's a fact.

The 'frankly who cares' comment applies to cycling (pro and amateur) for 99% of the world. As evidenced by the complete lack of concern over cycling deaths on the roadways of America. Read it and weep. I may be one of you cycling morons, but at least I understand my place at the bottom of society's food chain.

PCad Cycling Zen students: please note the Self-Loathing in the post above. Embrace the disdain of self, refocus that on a hatred of Fredosity, and approach Cycling Nirvana on Earth.

Ah, but Patencad - the Barry Bonds of the world - and the dopers of cycling fans are doing their utmost to make it true in the not too distant future - I am just ahead of the times. :D

Sure PCad you are not trying to imply I have disdain of self, and never would I have a hatred of Fred's - now that would be disdain of self to be sure.

I am a mere bike commuter, when I am not using a horse instead.

Sorry again ss. And as always Semper Foo.

No problem at all, my man.

Sure PCad you are not trying to imply I have disdain of self, and never would I have a hatred of Fred's - now that would be disdain of self to be sure.



Your impressive obfuscatory rhetoric makes a student of the Master weeniesan. You have grabbed Pcad's consciousness for a deepwater dive into the Marianas Trench of BF bullsiht. The strange creatures we may encounter there could entrance us both...
http://www.dribl.com.au/pics/Nemo%20Fish.JPG
(Once you get down there you'll typically run into Cypress or botto)

More reasons why Baseball still sucks.

More reasons why Baseball still sucks.

as opposed to college football? :rolleyes: