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Charles Ramsey
 
The police stop cyclist who are not breaking the law more often than they stop drunk drivers per mile and per hour. Keep a log of your stops so this can be proved to a judge.


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eubi
 
Interesting post.

I've NEVER been stopped by the police while on my bicycle...and we're talking over about 43 years of cycling.


rwp
 
Interesting post.

I've NEVER been stopped by the police while on my bicycle...and we're talking over about 43 years of cycling.

Neither have I. Although I've only been at it for 35 year, so there's still time!


Pajaro
 
I ride an easy 7500 miles per year and have never had a "roadside chat" with a police officer while on my bicycle.


Little Darwin
 
Interesting hypothesis, but how do you expect to get a statistically relevant results?

What numbers will you use for number of hours and miles driven by drunk drivers compared to number stopped?

How will you ensure that your input from here is random and/or accurate?

For your statistical usage... I have not been stopped by police while riding a bicycle. approximately 3,000 miles ridden on the road, over the course of 3 years, in multiple states. primarily California and Pennsylvania.


kendall
 
Realy wish I could say I've never been stopped on a bike, various reasons:

why are you riding fast, where are you going, why are you on the road/sidewalk, various reasons. Only one was realy 'valid' for no light, but it was on a very well lighted street, one where you could DRIVE all night and not notice if you didn't have your headlights on.

Ken.


LetterRider
 
I was stopped twice in one week. Never before or after that, however. I rarely see this happen.


Keith99
 
I ride an easy 7500 miles per year and have never had a "roadside chat" with a police officer while on my bicycle.

Never been stopped either. Can't say hte same about roadside chats. I've had at least one or 2 depending on what roadside means. I stopped and initiated one once on the road and at last once alongside the Santa Monica Beach bikepath.


Mr. Underbridge
 
Interesting hypothesis, but how do you expect to get a statistically relevant results?

What numbers will you use for number of hours and miles driven by drunk drivers compared to number stopped?

How will you ensure that your input from here is random and/or accurate?

For your statistical usage... I have not been stopped by police while riding a bicycle. approximately 3,000 miles ridden on the road, over the course of 3 years, in multiple states. primarily California and Pennsylvania.

Well, obviously he'll have to spend as much time driving drunk as he does cycling if he's going to properly measure this. Duh. ;)


DCCommuter
 
Believe him. Charles Ramsey is the former DC police chief and incoming chief for Philadelphia.


dr. nate
 
I was kind of stopped, a sheriff's deputy stopped me and Chevy42083 to tell us to watch out for wild hogs that have been running around the area we were riding.

-Nate


ralph12
 
Never been stopped by a cop before. I used to ride very stupidly (of course bike riders here almost always ride illegally just like the drivers don't pay attention to the traffic laws while they're driving) when I first got my bike, but after a few months my traffic skills improved dramatically.

Even when I was riding like a dummy the cops didn't pay much attention.


MrCjolsen
 
I almost rear ended a cop once. I think it was because I was trying to draft behind him. I was succeeding, too, until he made a sudden stop to pull a u-turn in pursuit of a speeder going the other way.


Blue Order
 
Remind me again why a Judge would care?


Scot_Gore
 
Interesting post.

I've NEVER been stopped by the police while on my bicycle...and we're talking over about 43 years of cycling.

I've been talked to twice by the police while out riding my bike, same conversation both times.

"everything OK, do you need any help"

Once while looking lost, once while fixing a flat.

Me thinks...troll at work. Best to ignore from this point forward.


dmac49
 
More than 50 years of biking and never even once. Hmmm am I missing something ? And keeping a record of how many times you get stopped could come back to bite you on your seat. I did talk with a cop once about my bike, but I wasn't riding at the time. In fact he wanted to know where a good LBS was.


dobber
 
The police stop cyclist who are not breaking the law more often than they stop drunk drivers per mile and per hour. Keep a log of your stops so this can be proved to a judge.

You're mixing your units

Cyclists <> Drunk Drivers / Mile / Hour


rubic
 
I have never been stopped by the police while cycling. I do know several people that have been stopped and given tickets for running stop signs or red lights, all legitimate. One of my cycling goals is to be stopped and given a ticket for speeding!!


rubic
 
I was stopped by a CHP officer for riding on a freeway shoulder. She claimed I was riding illegally despite various signage which indicates otherwise (she couldn't be bothered to actually go and look at the signs; gee officer, why the 'All Bikes Must Exit' sign on the offramp that I'm taking if I'm not allowed here).

I was threatened with, "I'd better not see you out here again."

An email to Internal Affairs and a call to the local field office resulted in assurances that they would speak to, and remind, the officer that I was cycling legally.

I continue to cycle this portion of the freeway and haven't been stopped since.

This is one of those "tell it to the judge" situations where the judge would side with you.


Charles Ramsey
 
I have been stopped 300 times in 60000 miles. This is generally a local problem the bad spots are Oregon California and Florida. The police will pull up behind a driver and run the licence plate this is legal. Since cyclist have no licence plates the police will pull a cyclist over to find out who he is. This is illegal. Typically I refuse to show my ID then they will threaten me with deadly force. This is also illegal.


edzo
 
I have been stopped 300 times in 60000 miles. This is generally a local problem the bad spots are Oregon California and Florida. The police will pull up behind a driver and run the licence plate this is legal. Since cyclist have no licence plates the police will pull a cyclist over to find out who he is. This is illegal. Typically I refuse to show my ID then they will threaten me with deadly force. This is also illegal.

U R doing it wrong


why2not
 
FL person myself. Never stopped. I do get waves & occasional flashes of fingers showing me my speed though. Got one today going up hill in fact. 9 mph.


Blue Order
 
I have been stopped 300 times in 60000 miles. This is generally a local problem the bad spots are Oregon California and Florida. The police will pull up behind a driver and run the licence plate this is legal. Since cyclist have no licence plates the police will pull a cyclist over to find out who he is. This is illegal. Typically I refuse to show my ID then they will threaten me with deadly force. This is also illegal.Are you saying law enforcement officers have told you they will shoot you unless you show them your ID?


twahl
 
This has to be the most bizarre thread I've seen in a while. First of all, you won't be proving anything to a judge unless you are charged with something. In this case you are presumably proving that you are innocent of some charge of cycling in a manner that is inconsistent with the law.

Now I'll type this part real slow so the words will sink in. If you are trying to prove that you were in compliance with the law, showing him your log of 300 stops while cycling is probably not going to help your case.

Beyond that, I have never known a police officer who was obsessive about knowing who everyone is. I know a lot of police officers, and I know of none that just run plates on every car they happen to be behind so they can identify the driver. I think you're paranoid.

You typically refuse to show ID on these 300 stops, they then threaten you with deadly force, and you're here telling us about it. I think you're full of beans.


Artkansas
 
The police stop cyclist who are not breaking the law more often than they stop drunk drivers per mile and per hour. Keep a log of your stops so this can be proved to a judge.


I've gotten stopped by the CHP a number of times. All in the same spot. I was riding on the I-5 between Genesee and Sorrento Valley Dr. on my way to work. The officer would pull me over. I'd explain that it was legal for me to be riding there and quote CA law about why this was so. I would also tell them that there was a sign saying that "Bicycles must exit" at the next offramp. The officer would somewhat skeptically offer to escort me off the freeway and I would ride to the exit and happily point to the sign and wave to them as I went down the exit and they pulled back into traffic. That was almost two decades ago.

In Arkansas I have only had one encounter with the police. An officer ordered me onto the sidewalk and threatened me with calling in other officers if I did not comply. I complied, but after the officer refused to give me their badge number, I took down their license plate number. Once I got to work, I called the police and managed to find a sympathetic Sargent who looked into the situation and called me back to tell me that he had given the officer in question a good chewing out specifically because riding on the sidewalk where I was, was illegal by city ordinance.

The only other encounter with a peace officer while cycling that I can remember, was telling an officer to close their door as they were pulled to the side of the road because they were impeding the flow of traffic. They apologized and closed their door. :)


syn0n
 
I've had one. An officer stopped me at a stop sign and told me to get on the sidewalks. Is was 14 or thereabouts, so I didn't tell him he was wrong or anything, but I ignored him. After he pulled away, I followed suit, on the road. I knew sidewalk riding was illegal, but mainly I prefered the road because it was smoother.

The other thing was different. I had some guy yell at a friend and I as we again were riding down the streets, in no dangerous manner, in the middle of the day. He slowed, identified himself as an off-duty policeman, and told us to "get off the ****ing street" or he'd "give us a ticket". We flipped him off and rode into some alleys where he couldn't follow us with his stupid SUV. I think I was 14 at the time, though this happened before the first police incident, and it was in the same neighborhood.

Not really sure what to make of that last one, really.


DPN
 
I have been stopped 300 times in 60000 miles. This is generally a local problem the bad spots are Oregon California and Florida. The police will pull up behind a driver and run the licence plate this is legal. Since cyclist have no licence plates the police will pull a cyclist over to find out who he is. This is illegal. Typically I refuse to show my ID then they will threaten me with deadly force. This is also illegal.

Man, I have never gotten STOPPED, but I have had lots of nice conversations, inquiries if I needed help, etc.

I have been seriously riding for 35 years...

Do you have any ideas about WHY you're getting stopped so much? 300 times?

Is there some reason you don't just whip out an I.D.? That way they know you are who you say you are, and that you're not some transient criminal up to no good...

I must lead a charmed life because I've never had anything remotely like any of that happen to me...

DPN


Keith99
 
Man, I have never gotten STOPPED, but I have had lots of nice conversations, inquiries if I needed help, etc.

I have been seriously riding for 35 years...

Do you have any ideas about WHY you're getting stopped so much? 300 times?

Is there some reason you don't just whip out an I.D.? That way they know you are who you say you are, and that you're not some transient criminal up to no good...

I must lead a charmed life because I've never had anything remotely like any of that happen to me...

DPN

Nah, you are typical. I've already posted that I've never been stopped. I should mention that for me this includes several years where my beard was in the Grizzly Adams mode, at least one thing more apt to get me stopped. I was also almost always in Lycra with a bright jersey just to complete the picture.

I also go past quite a few areas with large bike for transport populations. These guys often ride against traffic, sometimes carrying loads that are clearly unsafe. Never recall seeing one stopped.


StephenH
 
"Keep a log of your stops so this can be proved to a judge."

I fail to see how a log would necessarily prove anything, nor do I see why you'd need to prove anything to anybody.

And I've got to wonder, was that 300 random stops by 300 different patrolmen? Or did the same one stop him 300 times in a row? Or is maybe TV getting confused with reality here?


StrangeWill
 
FL person myself. Never stopped. I do get waves & occasional flashes of fingers showing me my speed though. Got one today going up hill in fact. 9 mph.

haha as in he tagged you with radar and told you your speed? Thats awesome!


supcom
 
The police stop cyclist who are not breaking the law more often than they stop drunk drivers per mile and per hour. Keep a log of your stops so this can be proved to a judge.

You make an interesting claim. What significance is there to your assertion relating the number of cycling stops vs. drunk driver stops? I fail to see any connection between the two.

What evidence do you have for this claim? How many drink drivers are stopped by police per mile and per year? How many non-violating cyclists? Do you have any study results from national data, a single state, city, etc? I see in a separate post that you have kept a count of your own stops. Congratulations on attaining your 300th stop but I'm sure you understand that your anecdotal evidence is not good evidence for your general claim. You may be able to sustain a claim that you are stopped more often than drunk drivers, but you'll still need more evidence regarding the rate that drunks are stopped.

How would keeping a log of when I am stopped prove to a judge that cyclists are stopped more per mile and per day than drunk drivers? And why would a judge allow me to make such an argument? Would this proof, if proven, absolve me from guilt in a legal proceeding against me? Would it cause the police to stop more drunks per mile and per year than is currently done.

I'm all for stopping drunk drivers, so maybe I should keep a log? So far, after many years of cycling, I have a total of zero entries. I'm afraid I'm going to have a weak case to present to a judge.

Please help us out and provide some additional detail. How has keeping a log of your 300 stops benefitted you? Has it gotten a citation dismissed? Has it gotten more drunk drivers pulled over?

I am very curious to know more.


CommuterRun
 
I got stopped once, a while back. Routine ID check. A legitimate reason to stop anybody. Took longer than a typical routine ID check probably normally takes because of the roadside chit-chat. I like talking to LEOs. Probably my military background.


rubic
 
haha as in he tagged you with radar and told you your speed? Thats awesome!

This once actually happened to me. I was riding down a slight grade and up ahead I saw a motor officer with a radar gun. As I approached him I noticed that he had the gun aimed right at me. Just before I passed him I yelled out, "How Fast?" He yelled back in a friendly and amused tone, "25 mph!"


genec
 
I've been stopped twice, and in both cases I was violating the law.

The first stop occurred after I ran three stop signs. The officer pulled me over and mentioned that the first stop sign didn't bother him much, the second rather upset him and the third was the limit. I was preparing for a tour and was fully loaded... and after a bit of conversation I was told to simply be careful.

The second stop was by an AZ hiway patrol. I was riding on the interstate. He informed me that there was a frontage road and I should be using that. He was quite impressed by the fact that I was just outside Tucson after having left San Diego only 3 days prior. He also let me go.


CB HI
 
I have been stopped more than 4,000 times on a bicycle by DOD Police, MPs or sentries and had to show ID.
But I guess that is the price one must pay if they want to ride onto a military base.

I think I will skip the log though.


OH306
 
I have been stopped more than 4,000 times on a bicycle by DOD Police, MPs or sentries and had to show ID.
But I guess that is the price one must pay if they want to ride onto a military base.

I think I will skip the log though.

That's almost like stopping at a traffic light with one exception. You won't be shot if you run a traffic light.


ghettocruiser
 
You won't be shot if you run a traffic light.

Is that a guarantee?


StrangeWill
 
That's almost like stopping at a traffic light with one exception. You won't be shot if you run a traffic light.

A bullet only weighs a few grams, a car weighs 2000+lbs.


darksmaster923
 
my friend has. hes like 13


darksmaster923
 
I have been stopped more than 4,000 times on a bicycle by DOD Police, MPs or sentries and had to show ID.
But I guess that is the price one must pay if they want to ride onto a military base.

I think I will skip the log though.

MPs?


CommuterRun
 
MPs?

Military Police.

I didn't think to count the stops at base gates, but wouldn't have anyway.


unkchunk
 
I've never been pulled over while riding, and there were several times where maybe I should have been. However I've been "pulled over" a dozen times while walking. I had broken my tailbone and since I couldn't sit down I would go for some long 2 to 3 hours walks. It seemed like every other day a cop was stopping me and asking for an ID. Sometimes a police car would speed up to me with the lights flashing, stop, shine a light at my face. Then I would hear, "Oh, it's you." and they would drive away.

After a month or two of this I had an opportunity at a convenience store to ask one of the cops what was going on. Ready for the answer? Someone called me in. It seems that unless you are obviously doing something wrong, cops don't do anything. However if someone calls the police and reports on you, the police respond to the call and check it out. If you are polite and cooperative during the first encounter, the next time the cops come they say, "Oh, it's you" and then leave you alone. But if, on the first encounter, you choose to be a d*ckhead... well, let's just say you didn't make any friends that day. And the next time the cops drive up to you they won't say "Oh, it's you" and then leave you alone. They will be thinking, "Oh, it's that d*ckhead again". And they won't be leaving you alone.

So if you are getting pulled over 300 times by the cops, then someone has been reporting you to the cops. You've probably compounded the situation by being impolite and uncooperative.

Here's a link to an informative video that may help you. It's by Chris Rock and is entitled "How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zXlytv01c&feature=related)


CB HI
 
... well, let's just say you didn't make any friends that day. And the next time the cops drive up to you they won't say "Oh, it's you" and then leave you alone. They will be thinking, "Oh, it's that d*ckhead again". And they won't be leaving you alone...So the cops admitted to harassing citizens who have done nothing wrong. Sad.


gosmsgo
 
The police here do not stop bicyclists for any reason.....even when I really wished they would.


Artkansas
 
I have been stopped 300 times in 60000 miles.

300 times in 60000 miles is amazing. That's roughly about once every 200 miles. I can't speak for Oregon, but I've put a fair number of miles in in both California and Florida, and with the exception of my aforementioned stops on the freeway, I have never had a problem with the police of either state.

So, can I ask you, what were you doing when you got stopped, or what was the situation?


banerjek
 
300 times in 60000 miles is amazing. That's roughly about once every 200 miles. I can't speak for Oregon, but I've put a fair number of miles in in both California and Florida, and with the exception of my aforementioned stops on the freeway, I have never had a problem with the police of either state.

So, can I ask you, what were you doing when you got stopped, or what was the situation?
We don't have that many cops in Oregon and there simply aren't enough resources for them to be constantly harassing people for nothing. You need to do something to get that sort of treatment.

When I first moved to this state 12 years ago, my initial impression was that we have the whiniest cyclists in the nation. People gripe about the motorists, the cops, and the weather. All are very tame compared to other areas.

I've been stopped twice on my bike for minor infractions which I was guilty of. In both cases, I received a warning. My wife was stopped once on her bike and ticketed for rolling through a stop sign about 8 years ago.


Blue Order
 
I got stopped once, a while back. Routine ID check. A legitimate reason to stop anybody.Legitimate? It's unconstitutional for the police to stop you for an ID check unless they have probable cause.


syn0n
 
Semi-related, I guess: Today, for the first time ever, I saw a police officer pull over a cyclist for running a sign. It looked like he just yelled at her from inside his car.


maddyfish
 
Log started;
Police stops 0
Years on road cycling 18


James827
 
If you are getting stopped by the police a lot there must be some reason for it. Police officers are human beings too and they have one of the hardest jobs in the world. They have to deal with the criminals and the dope heads and basicaly the worst people out there. If you treat them with respect they will treat you with respect.


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