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John E
09-01-03, 01:31 PM
Dr. Arnie Baker has just released the results of his bicycle safety survey of San Diego CycloVets. With his kind permission, I hereby provide the link for anyone who wants to read and comment:

http://arniebakercycling.com/handouts/hm_fa_traumatic_injuries.htm


Moose
09-01-03, 07:53 PM
Members of the Cyclo-Vets bicycle club, a San Diego based masters group were surveyed about their experience and opinions concerning traumatic bicycle injuries.

The club is one of the best established and most successful racing clubs in the United States. Riders are of varied fitness and skill levels. Many have joined as non-racers, trained within the club, and have become National Champions. About half of its members race; about 10% of its members race more than 15 races per year.

Key Points

Response rate was 90%.

71% of riders sustained at least one disabling injury, for a total of 1.8 disabling injuries per rider.

The disabling injury rate was 1 per 64,000 miles ridden.

The average rider has missed 17 days of work due to bicycling injuries.

There were 1.4 broken helmets per person.

At least 43% of riders sustained a concussion. Only one rider was not wearing a helmet at the time of injury.

There were more than 2.5 incidents per rider requiring physician consultation, including more than 1 broken bone per rider.

Road rash, or abrasions, occurred approximately 5.7 times per rider studied.

Motor vehicle accidents accounted for 35% of road riding injuries.

The serious injury rate for mountain biking was twice that of road riding.

36% of riders feel that they have had a life-threatening injury.

There have been three bicycling-related deaths in the club since it was formed in 1983.



I find this survey interesting, however it isn't exactly revealing about bicycling collectively, since it appears he only surveyed a select group of cyclists.

Also, the hefty percentage of club members that are avid racers probably skew the results a little.

Pete Clark
09-01-03, 10:42 PM
I remember one point: these racing cyclists were asked about what kinds of accidents they had. Some included being cut off by passing vehicles or vehicles turning in front of them.

These are avoidable accidents, but not uncommon to all cyclists. I have to ask the question: are these racing cyclists more prone to accidents than others? Were they more focused on going fast than on traffic safety?

Does this survey really indicate that cycling, in general, is dangerous?

The survey asked the opinions of these cyclists. Is that really science?


don d.
09-01-03, 11:05 PM
Arnie Baker is a Physician. He states that his study is about Traumatic Injuries. In that it is a study of phenomena, I would call it science. In that it is a study of those that are most likely to experience traumatic injuries due to the activity, cyclists, I would say the study is fairly well focused.

At the start of his study, Baker says it is about traumatic injuries. In reading the study, Baker basically collects info on the types of injuries experienced and then in his summary concludes that because of the info he has gathered and the attached opinions, cycling is a dangerous sport, which is a different summary than you might expect based on his opening.

In the questionaire he sent out, he states that his purpose is to get a better idea of the incidence of certain injuries. He does not state that it is his purpose to determine whether or not cycling is a dangerous sport. Also in the questionaire, there is only one question directly addressing the issue of danger, and that question invites a completely subjective response. In fact, the response may be biased because it may be conditioned by the previous questions asking for info about injuries.

He may have been more correct to say that competitive cycling is a dangerous sport. He may also have been more correct to state at the outset that his study was really about whether or not cycling is a dangerous sport from the perspective of the competitive cyclist.

The info in the study seems most relevant to say, the USCF for the purpose of determining what type of physicians they need on staff or perhaps for orthopedic surgeons who are focusing on sports medicine. The issue of safety and danger is obvious but doesn't really seem to be the focus.

So while I think it is science, I need some convincing to call it good science or a sound study.

Most of you probably know, but some may not, that Arnie Baker is a hard core competitive cyclist, a former World Champion, and an author of books relating specifically to competitive cycling.

DanFromDetroit
09-02-03, 06:39 AM
The figures cited don't suprise me, considering that the group polled was entirely made up of competitive (or would-be) athletes.

Given my own limited exeperience with runners, judoka, and racquetball players some amount of injury is to be expected for anyone participating in any physical sport. I don't think it is safe to draw conclusions about cycling in general from this survey and I think that the fact that "half the members race" means that the figures might be slightly skewed (higher) due to "weekend warriors".

Dan

Ebbtide
09-02-03, 08:45 AM
Could not get past the "20 riders surveyed".

20 subjects does not a study good make.

I'll still wear a helmet, though.

ehenz

Chris L
09-02-03, 09:36 PM
As has been said above, I'll wait until there are more subjects from a wider cross-section than what is presented here. I know that I've never had a disabling injury or major concussion in over 100,000km of riding - nor have I had a serious injury caused by a car. I wonder what the results would be if 20 commuters had been polled, or 20 tourers or...

Pete Clark
09-03-03, 06:41 AM
I want to look honestly at this survey. I must conclude that the survey provided valuable information for anyone who is open to facts.

The purpose of the survey is not to discourage bicycling, obviously. The purpose is to weigh the real danger of potential injuries resulting from crashes, so that we, as cyclists, can be intelligently prepared.

Some of the figures, as posted before by Moose, are interesting:

71% of riders sustained at least one disabling injury, for a total of 1.8 disabling injuries per rider.

The disabling injury rate was 1 per 64,000 miles ridden.

The average rider has missed 17 days of work due to bicycling injuries.

There were 1.4 broken helmets per person.

At least 43% of riders sustained a concussion. Only one rider was not wearing a helmet at the time of injury.

There were more than 2.5 incidents per rider requiring physician consultation, including more than 1 broken bone per rider.

Road rash, or abrasions, occurred approximately 5.7 times per rider studied.

Motor vehicle accidents accounted for 35% of road riding injuries.

The serious injury rate for mountain biking was twice that of road riding.

There have been three bicycling-related deaths in the club since it was formed in 1983.

All of the above information is valuable. We should be grateful that Dr. Arnie Baker has taken the initiative in assessing actual injuries sustained by this cycling club's members, as a test group. We can learn only by having an open mind.

Looking at our responses to this thread (including my previous post,) we cyclists seem to have a knee-jerk reaction whenever somebody suggests that cycling is dangerous. This might be because the dangers of cycling are so often magnified out of proportion by non-cyclists and we are used to debunking the myth that "cycling is dangerous."

But on reexamination of this survey, I have to say that the results presented are not suprising. We should keep an open mind and ask questions, such as, "What kind of injuries do cyclists sustain, and why?" in order to protect ourselves.

Having said that, I would like to offer another source of information for all to read:

http://www.massbikeboston.org/resources/stats.htm

Whenever honestly seeking for truth, one should always remain open to all the facts and weigh both sides of every question.

dougc
09-03-03, 11:16 AM
The thing that jumps out for me is that 73% of the injuries occurred while riding alone. Despite the fact that most of the surveyed riders are racers, most of the accidents did not happen in races, but while training or riding to and from races. Some of this probably comes from the simple fact that a racer spends much more time training than actually racing. Unfortunately, that is not quantified in this survey.

It would be interesting to see a similar survey of recreational riders and/or commuters to see whether we really face different dangers than racers.

John E
09-05-03, 01:23 PM
Thanks for your responses, everyone. Several excellent points were raised. I shall invite Dr. Baker to read this thread.

Ebbtide
09-05-03, 01:34 PM
John,

That would be most excellent!

Perhaps he would like to tap into all of us for a more comprehensive study and put a lot of this to rest. I'll be a willing participant.

John E
09-05-03, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by ehenz
John,

That would be most excellent!

Done. I'll let you know how he responds.

closetbiker
09-07-03, 04:07 AM
I guess the most obvious point being missed here is what would be the risk to ones health if he/she did not participate in daily, cardio workouts?

We can have problems from accidents, but in the larger pitchure, the risk from accidents are much, much smaller than the risk from not exercising our bodies.

John E
09-09-03, 07:38 PM
Here is a follow-up email I received from Dr. Baker:

"John,

I appreciate the feedback. Please thank your group.

I’ve looked at the comments you referenced. I agree with most of them.

Here’s some information that may prove helpful to your group. Feel free to pass this along.

The riders in Cyclo-Vets are more safety conscious than any other racing-club group I’ve ridden with; I’ve ridden with about 100 clubs and groups.

The median age of the respondents is over 50 years of age. Many in the club are long-time friends. The club is composed of working or retired folks who are aware that they are mortal and are not eager to take chances and crash.

Riders stop at stop signs and traffic lights scrupulously on almost every ride. The exception is the Saturday ride where riders may occasionally roll right-hand turns or T-intersections. Rides regroup frequently so that riders don’t feel that have to run signs or lights to keep up.

Most of the Cyclo-Vet group rides are relatively small. Almost all rides are split into groups immediately, generally of 15 or fewer riders. Again the exception is the Saturday club ride, the club’s most dangerous ride.. The Saturday ride may attract up to 50 people. After about an hour, this group splits into smaller groups, generally 15 or fewer.

This study is of a defined group and the response rate was high. The final report, to be published in a few weeks, will have at least a 95% response rate. This is an important strength of the study. Unlike studies of emergency-room visits or police reports, there is no ascertainment bias in this group—the numerators and denominators are known.

That is one reason why I did not publish a report of riders who were not in this defined group, such as yourself—there would be no way to know if responders had more or fewer injuries than non-responders.

The injury rates reported reflect only on this group, and as some of your list members have noted, may not be applicable to cycling groups or individuals in general, or to similar riders in other parts of the country or in other countries.

Addressing this issue of applicability informally, rather than on a scientific basis:

There is a racing adage that the cat 4/5s (beginning racers) crash by accident and that the Cat 1/2s (top-level racers) crash on purpose. Finger-pointing, perhaps. I don’t have a study to show this, but my impression is that all levels of racers crash about in equal numbers.

1. One of your list-members referred to http://www.massbikeboston.org/resources/stats.htm. This review of bicycle-crash statistics indicates that club riders may be safer or less prone to crashes than general recreational riders. (Racing is more dangerous per mile for club riders than general riding). The Massachusetts Bicycle Coalition quotes figures of one crash per 10,000 miles for the safest group—club riders.

The Cyclo-Vet crash rate is higher than disabling rate, though still lower than the one crash per 10,000 miles quoted in the Mass Bike Coalition report. There were about 2.5 ER or MD visits per rider vs. 1.8 disabling injuries per rider. Most riders take care of road rash on their own; there were almost three times as many crashes resulting in road rash as in disability.

2. As some of your list members have noted, almost 75% of the injuries were riders riding alone.

3. I don’t have a study to show this, but my impression is that the disabling injury rate for recreation riders in Team in Training is about the same, namely very roughly about 1 in 50,000 miles. (Team in Training is the world’s largest endurance training program. The cycling program trains riders to complete a century. There are about 5,000 riders a year in the cycling program. I am the National Coach for this program.)

<< The survey asked the opinions of these cyclists. Is that really science? >>

Opinions aren’t science. But polls or surveys of opinions are. The subjective responses of riders to their perception of cycling risk does not provide a basis for establishing that risk. Rather it allows the reader to assess the congruence of riders’ perception, the readers’ perception, and the results of the study.

<<Could not get past the "20 riders surveyed. >>

The survey was of 76 riders, out of a possible 84. The final report will include at least 80 riders. These 80 riders ride about 500,000 miles a year, and have ridden about 8 million miles. The referred to 20 riders were a smaller sample. I discussed the study with these riders before publication. They were astonished at the degree of risk. I apologize if that was confusing. Those 20 were not part of any formal study. Their surprise was meant to grab interest. Their opinions have no place in the study. I have removed that paragraph.

Perhaps what makes the numbers appear high to some readers is that the average rider in the group has ridden over 100,000 miles over 14 years. The odds catch up.

Here are some ways the risks add up for me:

1. The average rider going to a century rider doesn’t think they are going to crash. More than 99% will have no problem. Team in Training brings 1,000 out of the 2,500 riders who ride the 112 mile El Tour de Tucson. I have attended this event the last 8 years.

For those 2,500 riders I figure: About 300,000 miles. Based on my experience, I am not going to be surprised if there are 8 crashes needed an ER visit, and that 4 riders will miss a day or more of work or riding. If there are only 1 or 2 disabling injuries, it might be called a good day.

2. I conduct a 3-day coaching camp at a ski resort to prepare riders for the Markleeville Death Ride, a popular ACE (altitude-climbing-endurance) event. We ride 200 miles over 3 days. I have 75 riders. 15,000 miles collectively. I talk about safety every ride. I have riders wear helmets, instruct them to obey the rules of the road, ask them to avoid riding in large groups. I figure: Every few year someone will crash and have a disabling injury.

The odds add up.

<<I know that I've never had a disabling injury or major concussion in over 100,000km of riding. >>

The reason for some studies is to learn about the collective, rather than individual, experience.

<<It isn't exactly revealing about bicycling collectively, since it appears he only surveyed a select group of cyclists. >>

That’s right. On the other hand almost every one in the group responded. There is no ascertainment bias, a common problem of almost every other study.

<<Are these racing cyclists more prone to accidents than others? Were they more focused on going fast than on traffic safety? >>

Perhaps. As discussed above, the group may be less prone to injuries.

<<The hefty percentage of club members that are avid racers probably skew the results a little. >>

If you define an avid racer as racing more than 15 races a year, about 10% qualify. I don’t consider that a hefty percentage.

<<Does this survey really indicate that cycling, in general, is dangerous? >>

Depends, in part, how you define danger.

<<We cyclists seem to have a knee-jerk reaction whenever somebody suggests that cycling is dangerous. >>

This quote reflects on the five above it.

In some ways I think the message of many of responses above is similar to what I have often observed as a physician in myself, my patients, and my friends. Something that happens when a family member or friend has cancer or other disease. We try to find a reason for the problem.

We try to find some reason to say “It won’t happen to me.”

“Oh, they smoked. I don’t.” “They had diabetes, I don’t.” “They had a family history of problems, I don’t.” “I smoke, but I’m fine, and George Bernard Shaw lived to be 90 years old.”

The study showed greater than 40% of respondents had concussions; the majority had one or more disabling injuries.

“Well, they were racers.” “They must be a dangerous group.” “They take unnecessary risks, I don’t, and I’m safe.”

Whatever works to help us cope; hope; say nope that it won’t happen to me.

I myself enjoy riding, racing, and coaching. I’ve also taken care of hundreds, if not thousands, of injured cyclists over many years in a medical practice devoted to cyclists.

The risks are there. Like the first step of an alcoholic who must first acknowledge that there is a problem in order to quit, I’m trying to elucidate those risks for all of us to see, so we can work to reduce those risks.

Of course, your list members are all about bicycle safety and advocacy. For many of your list members, I’m addressing the choir.

Thank you again for your comments,

Best wishes,

Arnie

arniebaker@arniebakercycling.com (Arnie Baker, MD)
Bicycle Racing, Coaching, Sports Science, Medicine & Writing
The Argo Clinic
1820 Washington Place, San Diego, CA 92103
619 295-3024 (voice) 619 295-7632 (fax)
website:arniebakercycling.com

Pete Clark
09-09-03, 09:11 PM
A quote by Dr. Arnie Baker:

I myself enjoy riding, racing, and coaching. I’ve also taken care of hundreds, if not thousands, of injured cyclists over many years in a medical practice devoted to cyclists.

The study seems to show that cyclists underestimate the risk of injury involved. It also seems to show that cyclists can expect a predicatable rate of injury. We can all learn from that.

But cycling is often a substitute for other modes of transport, such as driving, walking, or taking a bus. How do the risks of these things compare to cycling? What are the risks of physical inactivity?

If Dr. Baker enjoys riding, racing and coaching, in spite of the risks, he must believe the benefits outweigh them.

closetbiker
09-10-03, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by Pete Clark
cycling is often a substitute for other modes of transport, such as driving, walking, or taking a bus. How do the risks of these things compare to cycling? What are the risks of physical inactivity?

If Dr. Baker enjoys riding, racing and coaching, in spite of the risks, he must believe the benefits outweigh them.

This was my point earlier. Everything has risks, but what, on balance, has more risks?

Cyclepath
09-11-03, 05:19 AM
Pete echoes the question i was going to ask: how does the death & injury rate in cycling compare to that of motor vehicles (excluding motorized 2-wheel vehicles)?

Some 50,000 Americans die every year in gasburner accidents, yet this heavy casualty rate is not of any great concern to most. Seems just passively accepted as a part of life in the greatest nation on earth...

I've read that the US motor vehicle death & injury rate has declined significantly over the past few decades, but 50,000 dead a year is not negligable.

A US war with that casualty rate would soon lead to nationwide demands for peace. Three years like that equal all the Americans who died in twenty years of war in Vietnam.

closetbiker
09-11-03, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by Ebro38
Some 50,000 Americans die every year in gasburner accidents, yet this heavy casualty rate is not of any great concern to most.

In Canada about 3000 die each year in cars (vs. about 70 on bicycles), but about 80,000 die each year from cardio-vascular disease.

I'm not saying by riding we're going to stop death, but I think if more cycled (safely), the greatest benefit to the country would not nessasarily be from reduced death on the roads, but maybe reduced death of everyone from improved health.

Cyclepath
09-11-03, 06:55 AM
I hear you, cb. I raised the point because road cycling (as opposed to driving) is perceived by many as particularly dangerous, but i'm wondering if it's proportionately more dangerous than driving a motor vehicle or not.

closetbiker
09-11-03, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Ebro38
i'm wondering if it's proportionately more dangerous than driving a motor vehicle or not.

Well I've previously posted,

"The British Medical Association has said the benefits of riding a bike outweigh the risks by a ratio of 20 to 1.

The American Medical Association concluded: "Even after adjustment for other risk factors,including leisure time physical activity, those who did not cycle to work experienced a 39% higher mortality rate than those who did."

The Harvard Center for Risk Analysis says the risk of death for heart disease is 1 in 397, a motor
vehicle accident is 1 in 6745, and for a bicycle acident is 1 in 376,165."

I've posted fatality stats by Failure Analysis Associates, Inc. found on the Bicycle helmet safety Institute website (http://www.bhsi.org/stats.htm)where they show cycling is safer than living and compared to cars, per exposure hour, that cycling has half the fatalities! A good explanation for this can be found at http://kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm where Ken says, "Based on these figures,bicycling is nearly six times as safe as living! What does that mean? It means that the risk of dying from some other cause (more about these other risks later) is six times as great as the risk from bicycling on an hourly basis, even though we face these other risks 24 hours a day, not just the one or two hours that a regular cyclist would spend on a bicycle."


but if you ride or drive poorly, your chances of survival are poor.

Cyclepath
09-11-03, 12:54 PM
Thanks, cb.:->

Of course the NeoCons tell us all we need is eight MORE lanes of shimmering asphalt.... And if we pave the entire country, it'll make it much easier to detect & kill suspected terrorists & anti-highway fanatics.

closetbiker
09-11-03, 03:58 PM
also,
from: The book of risks by Larry Laudan,

If you are an “average American” the following risks you run each year,

You will have a heart attack 1 in 77
you will die in an automobile accident 1 in 5,000
you will be killed by a car while walking 1 in 40,000
you will die riding your bicycle 1 in 130,000