I am training to run very fast behind my friends bike with my bow and wanted to know how many mph she should pedal. I am trying to get in shape for bow hunting season so when she rides her bike I run behind her (sort of chasing) her with my bow (not in the drawn position). She wants to know if she is in "2" and "6" and pedaling as fast as she can how fast is she going? This speed is frustrating to me though because I can not keep up (regardless of how many arrows I am carrying). Any thoughts?

You should find out how fast you can run and get your friend a computer for her bike so she can find the right gear to match your speed and then you can work from there.

I was looking to find out how fast the average human can run but since we're all different I got a wide range of results... I know that when I was a serious runner I could cover a 10 km route (6.3 miles) in 36 minutes which I think is is an average of roughly 10 mph / 16 kmh. This was considered to be quite good.

Your friend is probably running too high a gear as that relates well to the gearing I have on my fixed gear mtb (38 and 16) and when I'm taking it easy I can roll along at 25 kmh which is the speed of Olympic runners.

Running is EVIL!http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/teufel/devil-smiley-021.gif

Not sure I understand, but this sounds like a very athletic way to hunt. Why bother with the bow at all? Just get on a bike, find a deer, crank it up to 400 watts and drop it, and then skin it when it collapses of shame?

I guess this a serious post, but do you have to run WITH our bow? No offense, but you running behind someone on a bike holding a bow sounds kind of weird to me.

I am trying to increase my speed while running with the bow. I like riding bikes but it is very hard to ride a bike and shoot a bow (I have tried it) not more than two times (despite what you may hear). I dont think I am running 10mph though as that would be very hard to do carrying a bow, arrows, knives, hatchet, firewood and other misc camping supplies. I wonder if I could rig up a bike trailer to pull my gear behind me as I run behind my friends bike? I would still carry the bow and arrows (maybe 3 arrows) but all of the rest could be towed behind me in the trailer. Any body know where I could get a harness?

Honey, call 911! There's some guy with a bow chasing some poor lady on a bike!

"No offense, but you running behind someone on a bike holding a bow sounds kind of weird to me. "

Ditto. Why the bike? Just go run.

Leg speed is so variable there's no way to deduce how fast she's going from just the gears she's using. If she doesn't ride bikes much, she probably won't top 22 or 23 miles an hour, maybe not that fast.

trying to duplicate the chase. Running alone is boring. We are trying to duplicate the chase but on a flat smooth surface.

If she is moving too fast, tell her to slow down. If she is moving too slow, tell her to speed up. If you want to know what speed you are doing, use Sheldon's gear calculator.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/

Use Gmap-pedometer.com to measure a stretch of road, say 1000 m or if you like 880 yds, then time yourself running it.

Or, count how many cycles per minute she is pedalling (one full cycle is the downstroke of both left and right foot) and then count the teeth on the '2' and '6' gears.
Then compute your mph as follows:
((Front cog teeth/rear cog teeth) * wheel diameter (eg. 26" for a mountain bike) * cycles per minute * 60)/(12 * 5280)

which can be simplified to

((Front cog teeth/rear cog teeth) * cycles per minute)/40.6 for a mountain bike, or

((Front cog teeth/rear cog teeth) * cycles per minute)/39.1 for a road bike

Someone should double check my math.

Since bike wheels aren't exactly 26" or 27" in diameter these calculations give only an approximate result.

"No offense, but you running behind someone on a bike holding a bow sounds kind of weird to me. "

Ditto. Why the bike? Just go run.

Leg speed is so variable there's no way to deduce how fast she's going from just the gears she's using. If she doesn't ride bikes much, she probably won't top 22 or 23 miles an hour, maybe not that fast.

Not likely he can run faster than about 12 mph for any distance, or sprint at maybe 18. Oops, already covered by Sixty Fiver.

trying to duplicate the chase. Running alone is boring. We are trying to duplicate the chase but on a flat smooth surface.

What kind of critter would a human have a chance at chasing down? And if you really were fast enough to chase it down, you would just need a knife, not a bow.

Seems like the only chase you are training for is chasing down slow bike riders on a MUP.

Sounds like you are doing two things - getting in shape - and practising running with a bow.

Fo getting in shape, a mix of distance and interval running is usually recommended. So if you want to do it with the friend, have her intermittently pick up the pace and drop you, while you try to keep up as long as you can, then slow down and let you catch up.

For running with the bow, you should reallly practise that in the woods you hunt in, to get used to watching where you step, watching the prey, and dealing with irregular terrain.

You really carry fire wood with you? I've never had a problem sourcing dead wood. I think it would be more realistic to carry a pack with weight aproximating what you carry while you run. Bows are really not that heavy but a pack full of wood could be.

I wonder if I could rig up a bike trailer to pull my gear behind me as I run behind my friends bike? I would still carry the bow and arrows (maybe 3 arrows) but all of the rest could be towed behind me in the trailer. Any body know where I could get a harness?

I just saw this rig in the paper the other day:

http://www.rei.com/product/705794?cm_sp=prod*desc_rel_item*element

They sell skids you can replace the wheels on the trailer with also, if it is snowy. At that point you're not too far from just using 2 poles to make a travois though.

Perfect rig! This is exactly what I had in mind to carry the other needed supplies and yes...I normally carry my own fire wood. I carry alot of gear (some might say too much gear). I love to run with the bow and arrows (normally 3 arrows) and this rig would likely attach to my trailer. I will go take a look in person and see if they will let me try it out in the store or parking lot. I would take my own trailer and hook this on and run (without bow and arrows).

Perfect rig! This is exactly what I had in mind to carry the other needed supplies and yes...I normally carry my own fire wood. I carry alot of gear (some might say too much gear). I love to run with the bow and arrows (normally 3 arrows) and this rig would likely attach to my trailer. I will go take a look in person and see if they will let me try it out in the store or parking lot. I would take my own trailer and hook this on and run (without bow and arrows).

For sure try it out first. Make sure there is enough heel clearance for running, not just walking.

I'm not sure if you are looking for a trailer that you can harness to yourself or if you were looking for something else.

If you are looking for a trailer that is made to harness to a person, the Chariot (http://www.chariotcarriers.com/english/html/conversion_kits.php?conID=4)is the only bike trailer I have seen that has a conversion kit for human pulling.

I was really looking for something I could pull behind me while running with the bow and 3 arrows. I will go to REI this weekend and see if they will let me run with it. I will also need to make sure it will not be in the way of my arrow holder (as it also rides on my back). Thanks for the good replies I think I am almost there regarding the hauling of my gear. I am still confused though about the speed of my friends bike compared to how fast I can run (but the calculators have been helpful).

What kind of critter would a human have a chance at chasing down? And if you really were fast enough to chase it down, you would just need a knife, not a bow.

Seems like the only chase you are training for is chasing down slow bike riders on a MUP.

Sorry, Phantoj, but as a country boy who doesn't necessarily hunt, but has grown up with it and has hunter friends, this is the best thread ever!:roflmao:

Well, I went to REI to try the harness and it did not work well (at all). I took my existing trailer, 3 bundles of firewood, 2 hatchets, 2 knives, water, food, sleeping bag, tent, grill (small smokey joes), matches, a change of clothes and some extra arrows into REI carrying my bow and wearing my arrow holder (with only 3 arrows). I was stopped at the front counter probably because I was pulling an old trailer in. Anyway, once I explained what I wanted to do they said I could try out the carrier. I could not figure out how to attach it to my existing trailer so needless to say I did not get to run around the store or the parking lot with my bow, 3 arrows (on my back) or the trailer full of gear. It was a real waste of time taking all of that there (especially the 3 bundles of firewood. But I am glad I went because I needed a new tube for my mountain bike and while there I also bought a granola trail bar (it was very good). Tomorrow my friend and I start training again so we will head back to the park her on her bike and me running behind her carrying my bow, 3 arrows, firewood, knives and hatchets. I will continue to look for a way to carry the other necesity items such as my tent, sleeping bag, smokey joes grill (small one), water and extra clothes. Without the trailer it is just too much to carry while running behind my friends bike. Thanks for the good suggestions though....I appreciate the help.

Grill... firewood.... two hatchets... extra clothes? What the hell? This has nothing to do with riding bikes really and you sound completely insane. Anyway, if you hit your target animal in its kill-zone like you're supposed to, then you shouldn't have to chase it. If you aren't confident you can hit its kill-zone then you should not take the shot at all.

Thanks for the reply lung. I take all of that stuff because I normally stay out there all day and sometimes into the night (once overnight). I like to take all of that gear to stay prepared in case I see any action. I have never actually had the chance to fire the bow at a deer because I can not run fast enough with all of my stuff. That is why I intially posted asking how fast my friend should pedal with me chasing (training to increase overall foot speed) so that I can get close enough to the target. One time I thought I saw a deer out of the corner of my eye but when I looked long enough I realized it was a bird. It was a large bird though in a tree and from where I stood it looked much larger than a hummingbird more like the size of a small dove. Anyway, clearly it was not a deer. The reason I like to chase the deer is because I do not like to sit and wait like some do. I like the action of the chase. I once tried to ride with my bow and 3 arrows but that did not go well at all. I don't care what anyone suggests....it can't be done. It is also hard to carry the supplies mentioned above on a bike. My friend and I did not get to start the training today as I could only find 2 arrows (misplaced after trip to REI) I suppose. As soon as I find the 3rd arrow we will hit the trails again. I enjoy riding my mountain bike and my hybrid bike much better than running.

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you need almost nothing to spend the night in the woods.

one question, why not setup all of your stuff in one spot and then go chase after deer.

and why wood, are you not going to be hunting in a forest. I can think of any forest that would not have some dry firewood from fallen trees.

Tent and grill are not needed either. Get a tarp or sleep under the stars (why hunt in the rain) and get a metal grate and alu. foil for cooking over a wood fire.

deer can run faster than humans, have better stamina than humans, and are more adept at dodging through trees. You are not going to run down a deer unless you injure it first.

~.::love: u should give up on hunting and pursue love, the most dangerous game of all :love::.~

deer can run faster than humans, have better stamina than humans, and are more adept at dodging through trees. You are not going to run down a deer unless you injure it first.

Hence the bow.

So you are going to sit and wait for a deer and then when you shoot him you're gonna run him down? Sounds like you should work on being able to kill the deer with the first shot instead of running.



If you are planning on running through the woods untill you come across a deer, you need to rethink the whole thing. The deer are going to hear you and be long gone before you see them.

Please tell us where you hunt so that we can avoid that area. On the other hand, I'm sure that you are quite entertaining to watch. I'm sure that the successful bowhunters in your area would get a chuckle out of your spectacle, right before they shot you in the name of the greater good.

I LOVE checking up on this thread, the whole idea just makes me smile. Go getm', and remember people usta laughed at MT. Bikers :)

Do-able!

Sorry it has been a while since my last post. I have not had access to a computer (been training). There are several things I would like to have the opportunity to address.
1st-I do need to take a lot to spend the night in the woods (although I have only done it once) regardless of what Backpacker says. A tent is absolutely needed due to the high concentration of ticks, mosquitoes, grasshoppers (the large green ones-not the small brown ones) and fire ants. I could not imagine sleeping or even sitting out without a tent. Normally I like to pitch the tent and start a fire even if I am only going to be out there an hour or so. I feel safer in the tent. Backpacker may know what is needed to survive but they cant know what is needed to make a person feel safe without talking to that person (which they didn’t).
2nd-I like to take the small grill (smokey Joes) to cook hot dogs and steaks on (not new york strip). I don’t see how a sleeve of aluminum foil and a grate would work at all for this. Maybe with a detailed explanation I could visualize it. If I can visualize it and it makes sense to me then maybe I will give it a try (but I am not making any promises). One time I told someone I would try something and then changed my mind and I had trouble sleeping for 3 nights. On the 4th night I decided to flip my pillow over and try it again and it worked. I fell asleep fast.
3rd-All of my time in the woods I have never seen another bow hunter (though most wear camouflage). The places I go are mainly crowded with families and people hiking/jogging on trails. One time though I did see a bushy red-headed man eating a large chocolate chip cookie. He did not have a bow though (maybe an arrow or two). I wondered where he got that large cookie because it sure looked good.
4th-The reason I don’t put everything down then run/hunt is because I would be afraid that someone would steal my gear. The places I go are very crowded and you know how kids are. No, I would rather carry all of my small grill (smokey Joes), bundles of firewood (like to take my own), 2 hatchets, knives, tent, lighter fluid, matches, hot dogs, steak, bow, 3 arrows, etc… than to take the chance of someone stealing it. I would like to hear more about the aluminum foil and grate though as those may be lighter than the small smokey Joes I am currently running with. The literature said it only weighs 8 pounds but it feels much heavier (more like 9 pounds). Do you have more information about the grate? The foil?
Finally, thank you Squirl for the encouraging words. Your words make me want to grab my gear and hit the trails. I have not been able to ride my bike now for a few days although I did move it yesterday and sat on it for a minute or two. I love riding bikes and I love running behind my friend when she is riding hers with my bow and 3 arrows.

By the way the man in the picture above is not me but it is a great picture. That would take some balance to pull that off.

You can't be for real....
1. You can't even sit in the woods without a tent and a fire? You're scared of creepy crawlies. Have you ever dressed out a deer?

3.You hunt in places that are crowded with families hiking and jogging?

4. You lug all your camping crap including grill and firewood, while you're running around with your bow hunting?

This has my vote "Most Entertaining Thread". As someone who hunted dear for years, I get a real kick out of this dude running one down! Especially in an area crowded with hikers and joggers! :)

You can't be for real....
1. You can't even sit in the woods without a tent and a fire? You're scared of creepy crawlies. Have you ever dressed out a deer?

3.You hunt in places that are crowded with families hiking and jogging?

4. You lug all your camping crap including grill and firewood, while you're running around with your bow hunting?


I think (hope?) we've ALL been had!:p

I like to have my tent and fire for comfort. When I head into the woods I am not yet sure if I am going to stay a while or overnight so I would rather be prepared. I do hunt where it is crowded (maybe that is why I have never seen a deer). I need to try to find a more secluded spot it sounds like. Yes, I lug all of my camping crap while running in the woods that is why I would like to find something to harness onto my existing bike trailer. I have enjoyed all of the posts to my initial question of how fast to tell my friend to pedal. I think in the end I will tell her to pedal as fast as she can for as long as she can and I will run with all of my gear behind her as fast as I can for as long as I can. I still wonder where the bushy red-headed man got that great big cookie and why he would take it into the woods to eat it. I wish I had a good cookie now to eat. I would eat it on my back porch or maybe in my truck (I would not drive to the woods to eat it). Still find it funny that everyone has so many questions about why I would lug firewood with me on my hunting trips. I do not want the hassle of finding my own wood once there. I would rather sit by the fire and think about what went well on the trip and what I could have done better on the trip that scurrie around in the woods looking for firewood. besides, most trips I take alone so there would not be anyone to watch my tent, grill, clothes, lighter fluid, matches, hatchets, knives, bow or 3 arrows if I were out looking for wood. Sure carrying the wood slows me down to a near crawl but I just feel more secure not having to look for it once there. The only thing I think I could reduce would be the small 9 pound grill if I could get more information on the grate and aluminum foil (mentioned previously). I love hunting and love setting up camp even if only for an hour or so... Thanks for the encouragement and the ideas. Keep em coming...

What does "dressed out a deer" mean?

You shouldn't be surprised at the firewood discussion. YOU ARE IN THE WOODS. There is wood all around you. You only need to pack an axe or brush saw. Carrying firewood, running in full gear behind a bike, sounds like a poseur or city boy playing at hunting. I haven't even read all of this thread, because it just sounds like someone is having a joke.
If you want conditioning for running through the woods, and think that you must carry all your stuff while training, why don't you also actually run through the woods while "training"? Can you understand how odd all of this sounds? Just leave your bow at home, and run carrying your water bottle. Do some weight training and cross country running, and you'd be good to go. If you must dress up and play hunter with your bow and firewood, run on a treadmill and save yourself and your friend the embarrassment.
vickie

darn

Anyone ever read 'Confederacy of Dunces' ? I believe you are being led on by a man in a funny hat with ear flaps and of course 3 arrows, but its entertaining none the less.
Cheers LVW

What kind of critter would a human have a chance at chasing down? A really fit human...most critters...in the long run (pun intended). Humans have a not-so-secret weapon for long chases: We sweat, and that lets us keep going where other, non-sweating animals (most critters) would collapse from overheating.

:roflmao:

This thread is useless with out video

:D

Thanks for the reply lung. I take all of that stuff because I normally stay out there all day and sometimes into the night (once overnight). I like to take all of that gear to stay prepared in case I see any action. I have never actually had the chance to fire the bow at a deer because I can not run fast enough with all of my stuff. That is why I intially posted asking how fast my friend should pedal with me chasing (training to increase overall foot speed) so that I can get close enough to the target. One time I thought I saw a deer out of the corner of my eye but when I looked long enough I realized it was a bird. It was a large bird though in a tree and from where I stood it looked much larger than a hummingbird more like the size of a small dove. Anyway, clearly it was not a deer. The reason I like to chase the deer is because I do not like to sit and wait like some do. I like the action of the chase. I once tried to ride with my bow and 3 arrows but that did not go well at all. I don't care what anyone suggests....it can't be done. It is also hard to carry the supplies mentioned above on a bike. My friend and I did not get to start the training today as I could only find 2 arrows (misplaced after trip to REI) I suppose. As soon as I find the 3rd arrow we will hit the trails again. I enjoy riding my mountain bike and my hybrid bike much better than running.

Ummm...most people build a tree stand or camo stand of some sort and wait to get a good shot at a deer. They do that because it works. A deer can generally hear and/or smell you coming long before you see/hear them. If you really want to get a deer then you should probably learn how to do it. You chasing one tripping your way through the woods with a trailer strapped on your back might make a funny youtube video, but I don't think it will get you a deer. It might get you run through with one of your own arrows though.

The only "movement" type hunting for deer that I have ever heard of is when one group "drives" the deer toward another stationary group who ambush the deer fleeing from the "drivers". Although based on your posts above, I'm afraid you'd kill someone if you tried this method.

You sound dangeous. I hope you don't ever decide to hunt with a gun. Hey, if all you are after is the chase. Keep training and go out in the woods with a camera. They are lighter, easier to carry and less dangerous for all involved.

What I really hope is that this is a big joke. It sure sounds like it to me. And I found it very amusing.

I recommend using a full sized gas grill and 4 arrows for your training! Then when you hunt using the Smoky Joe and 3 arrows, you'll be deadly fast!!!!

LVW's posts actually had me laughing out loud, which isn't good since I'm at work! LVW, if you're not one of those striking television writers, you should go be a scab television writer. Brilliant stuff.

I recommend using a full sized gas grill and 4 arrows for your training! Then when you hunt using the Smoky Joe and 3 arrows, you'll be deadly fast!!!!


Best advice so far! I looove this!:D

Bow hunters sit and wait for the deer to come to them.

Sorry it has been a while since my last post. I have been busy training. On my last outing I tried to run with fewer items but it just wasnt the same. This time instead of carrying a tent I carried a tarp (6x8 blue one) and a green sleeping bag (no pillows). After all of the great suggestions I decided to not take ANY firewood (tried to gather while on the trail). The tarp did not work well at all. I forgot to take rope so I could not tie it to anything. Also, I really needed pillows. Laying on the ground on my green sleeping bag with no pillows was not a good idea. It was not comfortable. I will never again go to the woods without firewood (at least one bundle). The wood I gathered was not the same size and was very hard to run with. I spent the majority of my day gathering and busing the wood to fit into my bag (tied onto my belt) and very little time hunting.

Also, I understand the deer stand concept but that does not seem like fun to me. Just sitting in a tree waiting for the deer to come along is not my style of hunting. As far as the video goes I do not have one because I do not have anyone willing to go hunting with me. My friend I train with likes to ride her bike fast while I chase her. I do not know her well enough though and would not feel comfortable asking her to film me running with all of my gear.

I do like the idea of the larger grill with the larger cooking surface but I dont think I could carry any more than I am already carrying. Why would I need 4 arrows? With gas grills dont you also need some type of propane tank? Those weigh too much to run with...thanks for the suggestion though. It might work if I found a really flat surface. My bike trailer says it will only hold 100 pounds but today my friend Eddie (200+ pounds) sat in it while eating his peanut butter cookie and the trailer held up fine. I dont know that I could run with him in it though...I have never tried.

Today while training I saw 5 other people running (though none had any gear). Maybe they are training for something else?

Sorry for the short post. It has been a long day and I would like to go eat an apple and maybe some candy. Yesterday I bought a large bag of candy at the store and would like to eat some in a minute. Maybe tomorrow I can ride my bike and my friend can chase me (though not with my bow---that would not be safe). My friend has never shot a bow and does not know how to hold it.

I would still like information on the grate and foil that sounds like it could really save some weight.

:roflmao: