Classic & Vintage - Campy RD ID

Am I correct in assuming that the RD'S in the upper left and right of the attached pic are 980 and victory? If so......where do they land in the lineup? Are they junk (If thats even possible with Campy)?
Thanks,
Kelly D

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let me try to help you:

Picture is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21162852@N07/2057219435/

let me try to help you:

Picture is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21162852@N07/2057219435/

Thanks, now if I could figure out why the linky didn't work..........

you have a triomphe or victory in the upper left and a 980 on the upper right. The bottom 2 are way cooler and more valuable! Flip over the victory/triomphe does it have an adjustable stop insert at the upper pivot or is it a cast stop? Either way both were notorious for breaking. I think both derailleurs work about as good as a nuovo record but are far more poorly finished. They has about zero collector value I'm afraid, a nice NOS victory might fetch $15 on ebay, 980... I don't even think any would bid.

yep. Victory and 980. 980 was close to the bottom, but the victory stuff was considered and priced near the top when it was released by Campy. it was very largely a styling exercise on top of the same technology that powered Nuovo Record, though, and wasn't very well received by the consumer. I think that it all works at least as well as the NR stuff, and you can run smaller inner chainrings (if you can find any, I think campy was the only one to use 116, and I've never seen anything smaller than 42 teeth). The brakes are a cross between the triangular arms of the new Record and the quick release of the nuovo gran sports...wierd, but they worked better than the gran sports...

Thanks, now if I could figure out why the linky didn't work..........You have to link directly to the picture. I'm not sure how Flickr works, but you should link to the jpg file itself, not img tags around the page.

you have a triomphe or victory in the upper left and a 980 on the upper right. The bottom 2 are way cooler and more valuable! Flip over the victory/triomphe does it have an adjustable stop insert at the upper pivot or is it a cast stop? Either way both were notorious for breaking. I think both derailleurs work about as good as a nuovo record but are far more poorly finished. They has about zero collector value I'm afraid, a nice NOS victory might fetch $15 on ebay, 980... I don't even think any would bid.

Speaking of the bottom two (the Huret specifically). Is it true it will only fit on a specific dropout? If so is there a kit to make it go on something else without damage to the derailer (why is that word so damn hard to spell?)or frame?

Speaking of the bottom two (the Huret specifically). Is it true it will only fit on a specific dropout? If so is there a kit to make it go on something else without damage to the derailer (why is that word so damn hard to spell?)or frame?

Afraid I can't tell you, we need CV-6 in here to tell us about the french. Don't worry derailleur gets real easy once you'd typed it 1000 times.

Speaking of the bottom two (the Huret specifically). Is it true it will only fit on a specific dropout? If so is there a kit to make it go on something else without damage to the derailer (why is that word so damn hard to spell?)or frame?

AFAIK, the Mavic should take a standard d/o. I do not know about the Huret...never had one to play with.

The 980 is a good winter/beater/bar-bike derailleur if you want campy on your ride, works fine, finish is gulag style.

The Mavic is a great derailleur! One of my bigger regrets is selling my complete SSC (YES COMPLETE!!) Zinn. Even bigger regret was getting REALLY fat while bikeless for 15 years.

Sorry, Luker doesn't have it right.

Cyclotine hit it on the nose with Triomphe and 980 (990 had a restyled pulley cage), respectively.

Neither work well with corncobs unless the derailer hanger stop sits particularly forward (for some reason, Campag designed both parallelograms to sit perfectly vertical - bad idea), and they don't work too well with wide-range either.

-Kurt

AFAIK, the Mavic should take a standard d/o. I do not know about the Huret...never had one to play with.

it looks like you are missing the vital, and rare, and very expensive washer that adjusts the angle of the Mavic derailleur (it goes between the dropout and the derailleur, and no, I ain't kidding). I have one on a vitus that I jimmied to work by hand crafting a replacement washer, but it was not easy and it doesn't hold up to close looks. works good though. I cut a washer and bent a flap up to hold the derailleur, and bent a flap down to rest on the dropout stop. Like I said, it doesn't hold up to close looks.

works good, though.

Sorry, Luker doesn't have it right.

Cyclotine hit it on the nose with Triomphe and 980 (990 had a restyled pulley cage), respectively.

Neither work well with corncobs unless the derailer hanger stop sits particularly forward (for some reason, Campag designed both parallelograms to sit perfectly vertical - bad idea), and they don't work too well with wide-range either.

-Kurt

yep. fooled again. The victory has thicker cage plates and hex head fasteners; the triomphe has thinner plates and the jockey wheels are held in with bolts and nuts. Victory has shaped pivot bolt heads; triomphe are flat...victory jockey wheels are white.

For shame, for shame...I blush crimson (this is the second time I've made this mistake!)

AFAIK, the Mavic should take a standard d/o. I do not know about the Huret...never had one to play with.

Huret made different versions of the Jubilee, one for their own dropout, one for Campagnolo (and its dimension clones) And runor had it, a third.

Long ago there was an adapter washer marketed, good luck in locating it. It had offset and opposing stops to make up the difference in stop placement of Huret and Campagnolo.

Many, but not all "take off" Huret Jubilee's are from Raleigh Competitions, and were mated to Huret dropouts (to confuse things Huret also made a dropout with Campagnolo form factors)

Been a while since I had one in the hand to provide more info, the Huret forward stop (it uses two, fore and aft) is more forward and therefore up compared to Campagnolo.

The Jubilee is a good unit, and light about 133 grams. my problem aside from fitment, is that it needs more cable displacement to effect a gear change than most others, and the Huret shifters (with a larger diameter spool) needed for this came band on or designed for the often single sided braze on as seen on many French frames, never seen a version to adapt to Campagnolo brazeons, I am sure it can be done, with a mill and or lathe.

The front mechanisms are by reputation fragile, but they came in two clamp sizes, 28 and 28.6 and should not be interchanged, and that is the root of the bad reputation.

yep. fooled again. The victory has thicker cage plates and hex head fasteners; the triomphe has thinner plates and the jockey wheels are held in with bolts and nuts. Victory has shaped pivot bolt heads; triomphe are flat...victory jockey wheels are white.

For shame, for shame...I blush crimson (this is the second time I've made this mistake!)

Wrong again! Both Victory and Triomphe use hex-head fasteners, although you are correct that the fasteners are flat on the Triomphe, and domed + recessed on the Victory RDs.

The Triomphe's plates do not differ in thickness, rather, the inner plate is steel VS. the Victory's aluminum, and the outer plate is sculpted more smoothly. Probably the largest difference between the two is the Victory's adjustable parallelogram stop, which allows the parallelogram to be pivoted forward considerably - even at it's steepest setting, the Victory parallelogram sits considerably farther forward then the Triomphe.

Triomphe:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/campagnolo_TRI_VIC_5.jpg

Victory:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/campagnolo_TRI_VIC_4.jpg


A small but notable revision came in '86, revising the original Triomphe and Victory RD designs with a small nylon slot-style washer to better retain the limit screws in place:

'85:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/TH_campag_RD_victory_85var.jpg

'86:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/TH_campag_RD_victory_87var.jpg


However, when the Victory and Triomphe groups became Victory S3 and Triomphe S3 in 1987, the two derailer designs were melded into a single design, based on a re-styled Victory; top and cage bolts gained "Brev. Campagnolo" lettering, limit stop screws were enlarged with springs to keep them in adjustment, as opposed to a nylon washer, and the pulley cage was redesigned once again. The adjustable stop was retained for both groups, which used the exact same derailer at this point. The new look is a bit too chunky in appearance for my tastes:

Triomphe S3/Victory S3:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/campagnolo_TRI_VIC_6.jpg

The design shown above recieved a further revision in 1988, wherein the classy, engraved Campagnolo shield logo was dumped in favor of the silkscreened Campagnolo cursive lettering:

1988 Victory S3/Triomphe S3:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/TH_campag_RD_victory2.jpg

That pretty much sums it up.

-Kurt

Wow! Lots of info! I haven't really decided what to do with any of this stuff. It came in a big box of parts. I would mostly be interested in getting the Huret and the Mavic on something if I ever get something worthy and get a group of parts to compliment them. I'll have to see about that washer for the Mavic. There were alot of loose odds and ends in there. Thanks guys! Your the greatest!

Kelly D.

The 980 is a good winter/beater/bar-bike derailleur if you want campy on your ride, works fine, finish is gulag style. ... True. I suppose I really should put something nicer-looking on the Capo, but I bought the 980 for $5 at a yard sale, and it works better than the original worn out Gran Sport.

Wrong again!
Triomphe:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/campagnolo_TRI_VIC_5.jpg

Victory:
http://www.jaysmarine.com/campagnolo_TRI_VIC_4.jpg


A-Kurt

whew...we got details...no. I was right. Read it again. The bolts that hold the jockey wheels on - with Triomphe they are nutted, and with Victory they are hex head fasteners...

whew...we got details...no. I was right. Read it again. The bolts that hold the jockey wheels on - with Triomphe they are nutted, and with Victory they are hex head fasteners...

My mistake - thought you meant the pivot bolts. As for the jockey wheel bolts, you've got it pegged right. The Triomphe, incidentally, has Phillips-screw heads on the other side of the nutted fasteners.

-Kurt

it looks like you are missing the vital, and rare, and very expensive washer that adjusts the angle of the Mavic derailleur (it goes between the dropout and the derailleur, and no, I ain't kidding). I have one on a vitus that I jimmied to work by hand crafting a replacement washer, but it was not easy and it doesn't hold up to close looks. works good though. I cut a washer and bent a flap up to hold the derailleur, and bent a flap down to rest on the dropout stop. Like I said, it doesn't hold up to close looks.

works good, though.
eBay to the rescue!

http://cgi.ebay.com/MAVIC-SSC-AND-PROFESSIONAL-REAR-GEAR-PLATE-FITTING-NOS_W0QQitemZ140182933965QQihZ004QQcategoryZ420QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

eBay to the rescue!

http://cgi.ebay.com/MAVIC-SSC-AND-PROFESSIONAL-REAR-GEAR-PLATE-FITTING-NOS_W0QQitemZ140182933965QQihZ004QQcategoryZ420QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Dang!!!!!!! It just ended! I need to pay better attention! Oh well, at least I know what I am looking for now!

thanks,
Kelly D

Long ago there was an adapter washer marketed, good luck in locating it. It had offset and opposing stops to make up the difference in stop placement of Huret and Campagnolo.



Is that the same as the one used on the Duopars? It might be possible to source a used steel Duopar Eco for that washer, if they're the same.

Is that the same as the one used on the Duopars? It might be possible to source a used steel Duopar Eco for that washer, if they're the same.

That would be cool 'cause I happen to know someone with one.