Luis Ocana 1973
11-30-07, 06:32 AM
How does super vitus 980 compare against reynolds 531? Is it good tubing?
Classic & Vintage - Super Vitus 980
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miamijim
11-30-07, 06:57 AM
Yes, it is good tubing.
How does it compare to 531? I have feeling that arguement will be long and drawn out. By the mid-80's 531 was on its way out.
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/Vitus_history.htm
How does it compare to 531? I have feeling that arguement will be long and drawn out. By the mid-80's 531 was on its way out.
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/Vitus_history.htm
Luis Ocana 1973
11-30-07, 10:27 AM
Have you ridden a 980 frame? It seems a lot of people say 980 is flexy- true?
miamijim
11-30-07, 10:31 AM
Have you ridden a 980 frame? It seems a lot of people say 980 is flexy- true?
Back in the day I rode alot of them. The larger frames, from what I have read as well, may be flexy but they are light.
Back in the day I rode alot of them. The larger frames, from what I have read as well, may be flexy but they are light.
Luis Ocana 1973
11-30-07, 11:16 AM
My 980 frame is a 56cm. Would you expect the flex to be minimal on this size of frame?
miamijim
11-30-07, 11:42 AM
A 56 should ride exceptionaly well.
Luis Ocana 1973
11-30-07, 01:19 PM
Thanks for the reassurance. Could you tell me what a PSV10 cost new back in the day ('82)?
Luis Ocana 1973
11-30-07, 01:25 PM
On an '82 PSV10, in addition to the 'Brase a la Main' on the top tube, what does it read on the drive side of the tt? My PKN says 'Competition' and i know that PX10s are 'Super Competition'. 'Course'?
miamijim
11-30-07, 05:43 PM
No idea on the cost. It says 'Made in France'.
just for kicks:
PXN10 22.7 lbs The 'N' means it has clinchers rather than tubulars
Pro 10 (1982 version of the PY10) 21lbs
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/jim2527/bikes/1982PSV10-1.jpg
just for kicks:
PXN10 22.7 lbs The 'N' means it has clinchers rather than tubulars
Pro 10 (1982 version of the PY10) 21lbs
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/jim2527/bikes/1982PSV10-1.jpg
retyred
11-30-07, 07:03 PM
Have you ridden a 980 frame? It seems a lot of people say 980 is flexy- true?
I have a 1984 Peugeot made with 980 tubing, 60cm, clinchers. First time I rode it I really noticed the 'lively' feel of the frame especially when compared to my long tlme ride, a 1972 PX10. Paid $250 for it on ebay last year. I have seen the same model sell for as much as $450 on ebay.
I have a 1984 Peugeot made with 980 tubing, 60cm, clinchers. First time I rode it I really noticed the 'lively' feel of the frame especially when compared to my long tlme ride, a 1972 PX10. Paid $250 for it on ebay last year. I have seen the same model sell for as much as $450 on ebay.
Luis Ocana 1973
11-30-07, 07:49 PM
Are you saying that it rode better than your PX10? I paid $398 with shipping for my PSV10 on ebay.
cudak888
11-30-07, 09:21 PM
Probably one of the lightest, traditional diameter tubesets ever made. I had 980 on my '83 PSV-10 - identical to the catalog photo.
Now, it is also true that it is extremely whippy (at least it was so on my 60cm), but the 980s are also unusually lively. The frame will flex considerably under load, but on the PSV-10, the power transfer feels instant. Perhaps even springlike.
The steep front fork rake of the PSV-10 works against itself at slow speeds, being quite twitchy, but it balances out well once you're up to a fast cruising pace.
The PSV-10 itself is a machine that feels ideal for mostly straight, high-speed settings; mostly uncomfortable or unsuitable for easier riding.
-Kurt
Now, it is also true that it is extremely whippy (at least it was so on my 60cm), but the 980s are also unusually lively. The frame will flex considerably under load, but on the PSV-10, the power transfer feels instant. Perhaps even springlike.
The steep front fork rake of the PSV-10 works against itself at slow speeds, being quite twitchy, but it balances out well once you're up to a fast cruising pace.
The PSV-10 itself is a machine that feels ideal for mostly straight, high-speed settings; mostly uncomfortable or unsuitable for easier riding.
-Kurt
retyred
11-30-07, 10:26 PM
Are you saying that it rode better than your PX10? I paid $398 with shipping for my PSV10 on ebay.
No, not better, just different. My PX10 is a 64cm with heavy Weinmann concave 27" rims and a 120mm stem while my PSV10 is much lighter and a more compact bike. Cudak888 nailed it with his description of the ride on his '83.
No, not better, just different. My PX10 is a 64cm with heavy Weinmann concave 27" rims and a 120mm stem while my PSV10 is much lighter and a more compact bike. Cudak888 nailed it with his description of the ride on his '83.
miamijim
12-01-07, 05:10 AM
A Kurt pointed out the PSV is straight up race machine. Peugeot didnt typicaly list frame geometries but they do have them listed in the 1985 ctalog.
Geometries for the PZ10 (butted 531) PSN10 (Vitus 980) and PGN10 (501) are identical. (1985 catalog)
Headtube: 72
Seattube: 74 30
Trail?: 40 mm
Chainstays: 412mm
Wheelbase: 39 1/4"* *First time you'll see imperial dimensions in a Peugeot catalog (1986)!!!!
In comparison to a PH501 or PH10LE which have different geometry a PSV (PZ10 and PRN10) would have primarily longer chainstays, taller headtubes and longer top tubes while having the same head/seat tube angles. Its tough to get and exact comaprison because the same sizes werent offered in both categories.
(similar to reynolds tubing does not pertain to the chart)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/jim2527/bikes/1985Geometries.jpg
Geometries for the PZ10 (butted 531) PSN10 (Vitus 980) and PGN10 (501) are identical. (1985 catalog)
Headtube: 72
Seattube: 74 30
Trail?: 40 mm
Chainstays: 412mm
Wheelbase: 39 1/4"* *First time you'll see imperial dimensions in a Peugeot catalog (1986)!!!!
In comparison to a PH501 or PH10LE which have different geometry a PSV (PZ10 and PRN10) would have primarily longer chainstays, taller headtubes and longer top tubes while having the same head/seat tube angles. Its tough to get and exact comaprison because the same sizes werent offered in both categories.
(similar to reynolds tubing does not pertain to the chart)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/jim2527/bikes/1985Geometries.jpg