"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Pcad puts his $ where his mouth is

http://cgi.ebay.com/POWER-TAP-SL-complete-syetem-w-ZIPP-404-disc-cover_W0QQitemZ120190006049QQihZ002QQcategoryZ58098QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That is all.

Wait that's not all. You've heard of 'Fitness Made Simple'?

I view this as 'Fitness Made Unfathomable'. Looking forward to it. Sort of.

Oh dear. I can only imagine the questions that will come out of this purchase.

Let's trade info... You teach me how to glue tubies, I teach you how to use PowerTap.

Deal?

http://cgi.ebay.com/POWER-TAP-SL-complete-syetem-w-ZIPP-404-disc-cover_W0QQitemZ120190006049QQihZ002QQcategoryZ58098QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That is all.

Wait that's not all. You've heard of 'Fitness Made Simple'?

I view this as 'Fitness Made Unfathomable'. Looking forward to it. Sort of.

about time you stopped blowing your wad on schwag, and started spending it on something useful.

well done. :beer:

Oh dear. I can only imagine the questions that will come out of this purchase.

Let's trade info... You teach me how to glue tubies, I teach you how to use PowerTap.

Deal?

'Glue Tubies'?

Young man, you have confused me for some poor pauper college boy racer. That's what Piermont Bicycle Connection is for. Great Ceasar's Ghost man, get a grip.

Glue? It's called TUFO extreme tape. You don't want glue all over three nice zipps!!!

PCad gets FAST!!!

Congrats. I was watching that one.

Congrats. I was watching that one.

Pcad may be a slug in the sprint, but when it comes to eBay sniping, nobody beats him to the line.

http://www1.sport1.nl/images/thumbs/466x347/files/Uploads/1179158606.jpg

Best price at my LBS for the identical item: $2050 + $160+ in NY sales tax. Half price for a wheel/PT that's 2 years old. That works.

Very cool. I've been enjoying the hell out of my PT.

There's not enough money on the planet to stuff your pie-hole PCaddy.

'Course now your actually going to have to show us these numbers. *giggles like schoolgirl*

Best price at my LBS for the identical item: $2050 + $160+ in NY sales tax. Half price for a wheel/PT that's 2 years old. That works.



http://www.all3sports.com/product_info.php?pName=zipp-powertap-sl-wheel

$1,700

http://www.all3sports.com/product_info.php?pName=zipp-powertap-sl-wheel

$1,700

Electronics extra $350 ;)

Electronics extra $350 ;)


WOW - when I ordered my 808 w/powertap from them it cost $1,300. If I wanted to add the electronics it was $350, but I already had all that from another PT I own.

Glad I ordered mine when I did (September)!!!

http://www.all3sports.com/product_info.php?pName=zipp-powertap-sl-wheel

$1,700

Incorrect. Read more closely. $1700 PLUS $350 for electronics package (head unit, etc.). My LBS matched that very price. That Zipp crap is some priceyass schwag. Hence my procurement of eBay Sloppy 2nds.

Glue? It's called TUFO extreme tape. You don't want glue all over three nice zipps!!!

PCad gets FAST!!!

Tape slows you down :mad:

Tape slows you down :mad:

Put it on the inside of the tire, not the outside. Proof that high FTP and brains do not mix.

Even my lunchtime ride on rollers (snowing today) is fun with a Powertap. Best schwag ever.

Congrats. I was watching that one.

ha, me too. Good thing work got in the way.

Nice deal, I put a bid in on that auction (and feel accomplished for indirectly causing you to spend more).

Have fun with it (or at least posting a lot about it) :)

and feel accomplished for indirectly causing you to spend more

:roflmao:

Nice deal, I put a bid in on that auction (and feel accomplished for indirectly causing you to spend more).


Oh yeah, I need your help, I'd be incapable of overspending without you. Actually I'm very happy with the price/value equation on this type of stuff on eBay. Can't beat it.

Put it on the inside of the tire, not the outside. Proof that high FTP and brains do not mix.

Do you have to take the valve stem off to get it inside the tire?

How would one thread it through the inside, kind of like a drawstring on some old sweatpants?

Zipp 404 + Wheel Cover = Raw Nasty Bad@$$ Speed

I bid on stuff I have no intention of buying, just to jack up the prices. Usually on items I already own but don't want others to own or to get a good deal on.

Incorrect. Read more closely. $1700 PLUS $350 for electronics package (head unit, etc.). My LBS matched that very price. That Zipp crap is some priceyass schwag. Hence my procurement of eBay Sloppy 2nds.

http://edinabike.com/page.cfm?PageID=62&action=details&sku=WE7023

Good price for others looking into something like this.

That's a good deal. I got a pair of dimpled Zipp 404s with the PT SL hub on the rear wheel and all electronics on eBay for $1700 but I think you got the better deal.

--Steve

I bid on stuff I have no intention of buying, just to jack up the prices. Usually on items I already own but don't want others to own or to get a good deal on.

When I lived in Denver there used to be stuff to do that was more fun than that. It's really gone downhill.

I dont understand powermeters. They tell you how much power you can put out and then you can look at it on a neat little graph, is this all they do or am i missing something? Also, i can see how it can help you train smarter but really cant a simple cyclocomputer do the same thing with speed? Im sure im missing something as so many pros use it and people swear by it, but for that much money all i can think about is all the food that i would be able to buy instead.

Pcad+Power...The theads will be endless and I look forward to everyone. Now I can relate the effort in Nyac to power...Can't wait!

I dont understand powermeters. They tell you how much power you can put out and then you can look at it on a neat little graph, is this all they do or am i missing something? Also, i can see how it can help you train smarter but really cant a simple cyclocomputer do the same thing with speed? Im sure im missing something as so many pros use it and people swear by it, but for that much money all i can think about is all the food that i would be able to buy instead.

you don't want to get into this. not here. probably not ever.

you don't want to get into this. not here. probably not ever.

Its too late, ive passed the line. Now i want an explanation.

Its too late, ive passed the line. Now i want an explanation.

A computer plus a heart rate monitor can do a lot. However, to measure exercise intensities above OBLA/LT you need a power meter or ergometer.

Glue? It's called TUFO extreme tape. You don't want glue all over three nice zipps!!!

PCad gets FAST!!!


havnet you heard you can lose 5-6 watts of power from rolling resistance using tufo tape.

That's a good deal. I got a pair of dimpled Zipp 404s with the PT SL hub on the rear wheel and all electronics on eBay for $1700 but I think you got the better deal.

--Steve

I looked at a pair of identical auctions like you describe above for a pair of 2005 Zipp 404 clinchers with a PT SL rear hub/electronics, passed on it a few months ago, maybe that was the auction you won, I thought I'd see these things much more frequently, but they turned out to be pretty few and far between.

havnet you heard you can lose 5-6 watts of power from rolling resistance using tufo tape.

That's the rumor. Guess I have to gain it back with Ceramic BB (my tubies are glued...but really, if I was going for maximum watt savings, shouldn't I be using clinchers?)

That's the rumor. Guess I have to gain it back with Ceramic BB (my tubies are glued...but really, if I was going for maximum watt savings, shouldn't I be using clinchers?)

On a perfectly smooth road surface, yes ;) Tufo anything == the sux. (except their valve extenders)

Now I am going to have to go out and brave this whole Nyack thing just so I can compare my measly wattage to that of the PCaddy. Oh, DrWJ is in for a world of hurt.

Now I am going to have to go out and brave this whole Nyack thing just so I can compare my measly wattage to that of the PCaddy. Oh, DrWJ is in for a world of hurt.

Oh I don't think so. Dr. W. will be dishing the pain. Pcad will bring his spoon and drool bucket.

Its too late, ive passed the line. Now i want an explanation.

To answer your question with a question:

How does your speedometer distinguish between your effort level at 25mph on the flats vs. 13mph up a hill?

If you're just using a speedometer, you'd think you were going super hard at some point during the ride, and just loafing around for another part, when in fact you could be putting forth the same amount of effort. A power meter helps show you the amount of power you're producing. It is completely independent of HR (which lags behind power spikes, and stays elevated after decreases in power) and will never lie about the effort you're producing. 330 watts is 330 watts, whether you're going 35mph with a tailwind or going 12mph up the side of a mountain.

330 watts is 330 watts, whether you're going 35mph with a tailwind or going 12mph up the side of a mountain.

Yeah, I realized this on my first ride with the PT. Never again in my life will I look at a downhill false flat or a tailwind the same again. 30mph doesn't feel nearly as good with 170W in my face.

Oh I don't think so. Dr. W. will be dishing the pain. Pcad will bring his spoon and drool bucket.

Eehh... kind of off hand, but don't you have a normal set of 404's Pcad?

To answer your question with a question:

How does your speedometer distinguish between your effort level at 25mph on the flats vs. 13mph up a hill?

If you're just using a speedometer, you'd think you were going super hard at some point during the ride, and just loafing around for another part, when in fact you could be putting forth the same amount of effort. A power meter helps show you the amount of power you're producing. It is completely independent of HR (which lags behind power spikes, and stays elevated after decreases in power) and will never lie about the effort you're producing. 330 watts is 330 watts, whether you're going 35mph with a tailwind or going 12mph up the side of a mountain.

Ok, so i realize that a powertap is much more accurate, universal, and precise. But i still don't see the reason for dishing out $1000+ for it. A simple cyclomputer might not help to distinguish your effort level on flat vs. incline, but if you do them seperately it seems a computer would work the same way, especially if youve ridden the road before.

For example you could just time yourself on a climb starting from a given spot at the base to a given spot at the top. Then just try to improve your time. Surly a faster time in this case would indicate an increase in performance. But i guess some people just need to have their gadgets.

Ok, so i realize that a powertap is much more accurate, universal, and precise. But i still don't see the reason for dishing out $1000+ for it. A simple cyclomputer might not help to distinguish your effort level on flat vs. incline, but if you do them seperately it seems a computer would work the same way, especially if youve ridden the road before.

For example you could just time yourself on a climb starting from a given spot at the base to a given spot at the top. Then just try to improve your time. Surly a faster time in this case would indicate an increase in performance. But i guess some people just need to have their gadgets.

week one the wind is in your face at 20mph. the 2nd week you have a tailwind of 15 mph. if your time up the hill on the second week was faster than first week, did you improve your fitness between week one and two?

When I lived in Denver there used to be stuff to do that was more fun than that. It's really gone downhill.

Well done...:beer::roflmao:

week one the wind is in your face at 20mph. the 2nd week you have a tailwind of 15 mph. if your time up the hill on the second week was faster than first week, did you improve your fitness between week one and two?

This is why you took algebra in the 9th grade...

If Johnny rides his bike up the big hill in the park....;)

PCaddy,

Obviously I live too close to you! I must have been channeling your affinity for pimp recently :) New PTap schwag arrived for me this week;

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh273/KayJam/PC061026.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh273/KayJam/PC061025.jpg

PCaddy,

Obviously I live too close to you! I must have been channeling your affinity for pimp recently :) New PTap swag arrived for me this week;

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh273/KayJam/PC061026.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh273/KayJam/PC061025.jpg

Reed: Clincher or Tubular? How much $? Inquiring Bike Schwag Addicts want to know. Where in the Hudson Valley are you Reed? We could hook up for a ride and you could humiliate me in person.

The Hudson Valley sucks. I was about to ride this morning, but at 6AM it was TWELVE DEGREES here. That I could handle but the friggin roads were also coated with JUST enough snow to dump you on your bike weenie ass. I'll ride later. On the plus side, they're blowing snow @ Mt. Peter. Soon I'll be doing my 34 second summit to base runs. Pcad can out-ski all of you pathetic bike weenie snow bunnies. Volkls RULE.

Let's see: Tubular, 2k, New Windsor near Vails Gate. Let me know when you might be going out during DAYLIGHT hours, I'll meet you. If you remember we rode together in Warwick earlier this year. The Fred World RR Champs I believe you called it!

I just took the Sheltie out and it's still ONLY 15 degrees outside!!

In case there was any doubt, pcad is truly an insufferable weenie.

But...he's a weenie with stats.

Ok, so i realize that a powertap is much more accurate, universal, and precise. But i still don't see the reason for dishing out $1000+ for it.

Our resident schwag-meister got the SL version laced to a 404.

If you're willing to accept an older, heavier, uglier version, with a non-aero rim, you can get it cheaper.