Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Brooklyn Machine Works Gangsta, opinions?

Anyone ever ridden one of these suckers. I dig the chunky aesthetic they've got going on, and I think they'd make a mean street bike. Way heavy as well I'm guessing.

I'd be keen to hear if anyone's ridden one? How's the weight? Is the geometry aggressive enough, or does it have that relaxed feel to it? Are they stiff (4130 Cro-Mo? I don't know anything about materials)?

So yeah, who owns or has ridden one?

I've ridden one. They are pretty nice. Relatively light. I'd say the weight is comparable to any other mid-range steel frame (bareknuckle, etc) Talked with one of the guys who builds them, they are straight-gauge 4130, but it is a thinner tubing than the straight-gauge BMX/MTB stuff. It's pretty difficult to weld that thin stuff properly. They tweak the design a little bit all the time.

Geometry is nice. It's just really nice. I was lucky and the one I test rode was just about exactly my size, but it was very responsive fun. Stiffer than a fuji track... I've never really ridden an AL tarck bike, so I coldn't compare it to that.

If you like that look, save yourself a couple of hundred dollars and get a Langster.

If you like that look, save yourself a couple of hundred dollars and get a Langster.

AL.

i own one. got the frame a few weeks ago and it is all built except for the cranks. (waiting on a set of Paul cranks). I had it painted olive green and all my components are black. When it gets finished, I'll post pics. If you like it, buy it. there are those that will say it is not worth the money but you should ride what you like, not what everyone says you should like.
I'm sure I'll get ranked on by a few when I post pics, but that's okay. I liked it, I wanted one so I bought one. It is sweet.

These things are just ugly.
End of story.
They cant even make it look good then why buy it? Seriously.
That's the easy part of making a bike frame, right?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zCYJ7BDNESk

If you like that look, save yourself a couple of hundred dollars and get a Langster.Aside from the sloping top-tube, what does it visually have in common with a langster?

absolutely nil.

Aside from the sloping top-tube, what does it visually have in common with a langster?


It's ugly.

It's ugly.

i don't think Sect asked if you thought is was ugly, he just asked some questions on weight and geometry. I think from previous posts we all know that some think the BMW frame is ugly. If you think is ugly fine. If you've got some personal knowledge of the frames weight and geometry to answer the question then give it, otherwise, pipe down.

i had a dream last night i bought one. i've been harassing luke at bmw to give me a frame and he says as soon as i'm good at tricks like tom its mine. uggg, i am just going to save up for one

i don't think Sect asked if you thought is was ugly, he just asked some questions on weight and geometry. I think from previous posts we all know that some think the BMW frame is ugly. If you think is ugly fine. If you've got some personal knowledge of the frames weight and geometry to answer the question then give it, otherwise, pipe down.

Huh? No one asked him that.

i don't think Sect asked if you thought is was ugly, he just asked some questions on weight and geometry. I think from previous posts we all know that some think the BMW frame is ugly. If you think is ugly fine. If you've got some personal knowledge of the frames weight and geometry to answer the question then give it, otherwise, pipe down.

No YOU pipe down.
Did you even read the topic of the thread? The operative word is "OPINIONS".
You fail.

they're dope. the reason why they're "ugly" is because there are only two sizes and the upward sloping TT compensates for a large number of size ranges.

I know 3 people that have them and one dude that has the fork on his Sword. They all love them. My boy Tom from Cadence abuses the **** out of his and it's bulletproof.

i thought they were ugly too, but after talking to luke and austin, i fell in love with it. even the sloping top tube. they cut up austin's old bmw to look at the welds and they held up just fine. if u want to abuse a bike and aren't a big ***** about looks, bmw is def. a great options.
what makes a bike hot anyway.

No YOU pipe down.
Did you even read the topic of the thread? The operative word is "OPINIONS".
You fail.

did you even read his questions that he asked? he didn't ask about if anyone thought it was ugly.

you fail.

buy the F-ing think and bunny hop on the HATERS F-ing HEADS.
they are kinda ugly but dope at the same time if you are going to ride track with it I wouldn't buy it if you are going to do barspins and street mash on it grab one.
I need on for my stable for sure

buy the F-ing think and bunny hop on the HATERS F-ing HEADS.
they are kinda ugly but dope at the same time if you are going to ride track with it I wouldn't buy it if you are going to do barspins and street mash on it grab one.
I need on for my stable for sure

+1

ok everybody, quit bickerin' over here. its not even noon!

i've seen these frames raced rather competitively on the track, in alleycats, doing messenger work and doing the craziest street ride tricks and bmx type stuff ever between three people i know who own them. they're much lighter than they look, but honestly they're about what's to be expected from a steel frame. i wouldn't call them heavy, but they make up for it by being extremely stiff and really responsive. i've ridden austin's and even with his high gearing it moves really nicely. i've also watched him straight up devour people during an australian pursuit at kissena on it. ...then there's that whole taking first in every alleycat in the last year thing...

i don't mind the look of the compact geometry, but they aren't really pretty bikes. that's fine by me though. i'd rock the hell out of one.

I picked up somebody's BMW at MT and it wasn't heavy at all, probably lighter than my Rob Roy.

did you even read his questions that he asked? he didn't ask about if anyone thought it was ugly.

you fail.

Um, I don't think we can go any slower, you're going to have to keep up.

I was asked...

Aside from the sloping top-tube, what does it visually have in common with a langster?

And I responded...


It's ugly.

F- for you.

Um, I don't think we can go any slower, you're going to have to keep up.

I was asked...


And I responded...



F- for you.

uuuummmmmmmm...................whatever.......******.

ok everybody, quit bickerin' over here. its not even noon!

i've seen these frames raced rather competitively on the track, in alleycats, doing messenger work and doing the craziest street ride tricks and bmx type stuff ever between three people i know who own them. they're much lighter than they look, but honestly they're about what's to be expected from a steel frame. i wouldn't call them heavy, but they make up for it by being extremely stiff and really responsive. i've ridden austin's and even with his high gearing it moves really nicely. i've also watched him straight up devour people during an australian pursuit at kissena on it. ...then there's that whole taking first in every alleycat in the last year thing...

i don't mind the look of the compact geometry, but they aren't really pretty bikes. that's fine by me though. i'd rock the hell out of one.

for real. theyre a bit goofy looking but ive seen them used on both the street and track to excellent results. everyone ive met whos owned one has been happy with it. i am a fan, and i normally hate **** like that.

They only come in 55 and 57cm top tubes. If those fit you, great. If you're small or huge, don't buy one. Fit is what matters!

I personally think they are overpriced, but I'm not a trick rider. If I was, they'd be a better value for me.

Also remember that a lot of NY people are friends with the BMW guys and people sponsored by BMW, so keep that in mind when reading these opinions.

I like the look a lot but it definitely seems quite niche-oriented within a niche market.

http://ctothejl.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bmwg1.jpg

Also remember that a lot of NY people are friends with the BMW guys and people sponsored by BMW, so keep that in mind when reading these opinions.
Also remember that a lot of NY people have actually ridden them, not just looked at pictures on the internet, so keep that in mind when reading these opinions.

I've ridden one very briefly - not long enough to really form an opinion on how it rides. What I can tell you is that it's heavy, it can take a beating and it has lots of clearance (for wide tires, doing barspins, whatever).

F- for you.

Well to be honest, I wouldn't really say that "it's ugly" is a constructive or even proper way to compare the two frames.

What makes BMW frame similar to the Langster?

It's ugly? ... I could see that being mildly amusing but it is not helpful. A serious question was asked. A faux answer was given.

Less meanie more friendly.

that's funny, luke told me there were three sizes. a 46 cm and something else

Well to be honest, I wouldn't really say that "it's ugly" is a constructive or even proper way to compare the two frames.

What makes BMW frame similar to the Langster?

It's ugly? ... I could see that being mildly amusing but it is not helpful. A serious question was asked. A faux answer was given.

Less meanie more friendly.

I was not being mean. I was asked a direct question and I responded with my opinion.


"I wouldn't really say that "it's ugly" is a constructive or even proper way to compare the two frames."

Good for you, but sadly for most, it's the only way.

that's funny, luke told me there were three sizes. a 46 cm and something else

they're making a larger one. With a 62!?!? tt...

If I didn't buy my recent bike, I was going to get a Gansta track.

No option to run a brake so it's off the list for me. I don't think they're especially ugly though.

I was not being mean. I was asked a direct question and I responded with my opinion.


If you think you answered that question then you have a lot of learning to do...

So maybe i can't offer a "review" of these, but I've seen them in person now.

Orange 20 just got a gang of them in. About 4 different colors too.

I think they look good, although they do have more of a "BMX-ish" aesthetic to them. Which I kind of like...

No option to run a brake so it's off the list for me. I don't think they're especially ugly though.

there is a brake hole. who told u otherwise

my frame and fork came without holes for a front brake. with the large gap between the fork crown and the tire, running a brake wouldn't work. for the kind of riding i do, running brakeless is fine.

ugly, $$$$$$$$$$$$$, could easily be better steel, but I'm not the builder so I wouldn't go by that alone.

If you think you answered that question then you have a lot of learning to do...

Look at post #8 and then my response #10. How can you possibly argue that? Are you denying me my opinion?

they're making a larger one. With a 62!?!? tt...

If I didn't buy my recent bike, I was going to get a Gansta track.

No way, really? Damn, I might have to look into that. I think the Gangstas are sexy as hell, can't understand why people think they're ugly quite honestly...

Look at post #8 and then my response #10. How can you possibly argue that? Are you denying me my opinion?

No I am just saying it is no more constructive then "I just don't like it". Why is it ugly? What about it do you not like.

There is nothing more annoying then hanging out with someone and this conversation goes on

guy 1> "Man I love <insert randon **** here>"
guy 2> "I think its stupid"
guy 1> "well why good sir do you find it stupid?"
guy 2> "I don't know, I just think its stupid"

You have to admit, that's not too intelligent sounding.

Look at post #8 and then my response #10. How can you possibly argue that? Are you denying me my opinion?

i don't think anyone is denying you your opion, just ignoring it.

there is a brake hole. who told u otherwise

I'm not seeing a brake hole. Are you?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1282/1203329689_d6fb7d4cc8_o.jpg

Besides, even if it were drilled what kind of brake is going to reach?

ugly, $$$$$$$$$$$$$, could easily be better steel, but I'm not the builder so I wouldn't go by that alone.


WHOA!!! Where do you get off commenting on a bikes aesthetics, price and perceived quality?

No I am just saying it is no more constructive then "I just don't like it". Why is it ugly? What about it do you not like.

There is nothing more annoying then hanging out with someone and this conversation goes on

guy 1> "Man I love <insert randon **** here>"
guy 2> "I think its stupid"
guy 1>
guy 2> "I don't know, I just think its stupid"

You have to admit, that's not too intelligent sounding.


We are talking about OPINIONS. If you have a problem with OPINIONS then don't ask for any - or work on your insecurities.

Yes I admit that your example does not sound intelligent. You cant use random $hit as an analogy. It makes no sense. In your example, what if guy 1 likes to bang sheep? Does guy 2 have to have a reason to think it's stupid?

i don't think anyone is denying you your opion, just ignoring it.



Still trying to keep up eh? Look at post 29, 34 and 41. If my opinion was being ignored, they would not exist.

vinny gallo's got a gangster.

We are talking about OPINIONS.

actually, we were talking about the BMW Gangsta Track, but you had to go off on an argument that very few people care to read.

actually, we were talking about the BMW Gangsta Track, but you had to go off on an argument that very few people care to read.


"We?" When did you contribute? Did you delete you're posts on this thread?

Did you delete you're posts on this thread?
your

ZING! You just got grammared!

I bet no one saw that coming!

Up up and away!!

We learn in elementary school to form opinions like this: "I think banging sheep is disgusting because ... <insert one of millions of reasons why you should feel this way>"