Happy LOLidays, and I wish you a safe and prosperous new year of flirting with paunchy old married guys on the Net.

You realize that after all that hard work of defending your character (virtual, granted), you had to blow it up and hand ME the victory by insulting both her and your fellow male BFers. I'm neither old, paunchy or married, but I could feel the sting of those words. That's a lot like what Cool Hand Luke did by continuing to run and eventually get himself killed by the man. Ol' Luke went through all that effort and pain just to end up dead.

I resent the implication that I defended my character. Prepare for a lengthy lawsuit.

I resent the implication that I defended my character. Prepare for a lengthy lawsuit.

But I mentioned you and Cool Hand Luke in the same sentence. That goes a long way in certain legal circles.

We'll settle, then.

Incidentally, let me just get the house rules straight. Judgmental remarks about character and blanket generalizations about social groups are permissible here, but only when ME is doing it. Otherwise, I may have to fight my way through a bunch of paunchy old married guys just to get out of the door in one piece. Have I got it right? I want to drink in this saloon; I just don't want to die in it.

We'll settle, then.

Incidentally, let me just get the ground rules straight. Judgmental remarks about character and blanket generalizations about social groups are permissible here, but only when ME is doing it. Otherwise, I may have to fight my way through a bunch of paunchy old married guys just to get out of the door in one piece. Have I got it right? I want to drink in this saloon; I just don't want to die in it.

Paunchy old married guys who have fought their way out a door or two, lived to tell about it and earned the right to set the rules while having a laugh at the young buck's expense. That's why it's called the wild west.

More like "fought their way into an undersized lycra jersey or two," if you ask me, but OK.

I sense a Cuckoo's Nest vs. Zubie's situation developing here.

More like "fought their way into an undersized lycra jersey or two," if you ask me, but OK.

I sense a Cuckoo's Nest vs. Zubie's situation developing here.

OK, that... was funny. You appear to be thin as a rail, so you have the right to proudly point that out, even if it hurts feelings. In your own way you're helping the fitness cause by inspiring those with a few to lose.

Paunchy old married guys who have fought their way out a door or two, lived to tell about it and earned the right to set the rules while having a laugh at the young buck's expense. That's why it's called the wild west.


New around here ain't ya, Dollface?

Annie Oakley here.

Sharpshooter...at your service.

Maybe...:)

We'll settle, then.

Incidentally, let me just get the house rules straight. Judgmental remarks about character and blanket generalizations about social groups are permissible here, but only when ME is doing it. Otherwise, I may have to fight my way through a bunch of paunchy old married guys just to get out of the door in one piece. Have I got it right? I want to drink in this saloon; I just don't want to die in it.


Placid, do you feel I've judged you? I'm surprised. I actually pointed out that we both acted in similar ways (two years apart, of course, but similar nonetheless). I can't be judging you unless I judge myself, now can I? No sir, I merely disagreed with what you were doing after having done it myself. I don't think you like others disagreeing with you - which is my opinion based on your continued jabs at me. As for my making blanket generalizations about social groups, that is very definitely untrue. I've done no such thing. Nor have I attacked anyone’s character, yours included (but yet, you have attacked mine in your post below by now suggesting that I’m hitting on married men – truly a very low blow). Not agreeing with a group's tactics, social activities, time they gather, etc. and, thus, not joining them, is not in any way an effort on my part to judge or generalize anyone or a group as a whole. Again, it's a disagreement and my choosing to not join. I don't try to rally to get that group in trouble or have their activities impeded. I don't crash their gathering and try to change it to suit my own egocentric views.

In fact, I say, "live and let live." I also welcome all people from any social group on any ride I organize (I don't discriminate). Perhaps, someday even you'll come out and join on one even though, based on your behavior online on this forum, I’m not so sure I’d want to invite you at this point. You haven’t been nice or truthful, and I’m not being passive aggressive. That’s a simple observation and clear fact.

You realize that after all that hard work of defending your character (virtual, granted), you had to blow it up and hand ME the victory by insulting both her and your fellow male BFers. I'm neither old, paunchy or married, but I could feel the sting of those words. That's a lot like what Cool Hand Luke did by continuing to run and eventually get himself killed by the man. Ol' Luke went through all that effort and pain just to end up dead.

Thank you, Kidd. :)

Interesting talk/take from John Burke, CEO of Trek. The benefits of the business of cycling partnering with advocacy...

http://www.calbike.org/industry.htm

Placid, do you feel I've judged you? I'm surprised. I actually pointed out that we both acted in similar ways (two years apart, of course, but similar nonetheless). I can't be judging you unless I judge myself, now can I? No sir, I merely disagreed with what you were doing after having done it myself. I don't think you like others disagreeing with you - which is my opinion based on your continued jabs at me. As for my making blanket generalizations about social groups, that is very definitely untrue. I've done no such thing. Nor have I attacked anyone’s character, yours included (but yet, you have attacked mine in your post below by now suggesting that I’m hitting on married men – truly a very low blow).

I know, ME, I know. I'm a big old meanypants, aren't I?

You take your jabs at people in ways that allow you to deny that they were jabs. This way you also get to play the victim when somebody takes a poke back at you. It's quite a nice racket, actually, if Internet drama is what gets you off.

Likewise, I offer my apology for being a PITA to you. No trick here, either. Have a great evening and Christmas eve dinner. :)

Delovely...

Now can we talk about Bikes in the News? :D:)

Now can we talk about Bikes in the News? :D:)

Sure, Alice, I'll start. :)

I really enjoyed the John Burke interview. The obesity issue is the one I find so potentially compelling (as I was a fat child after I stopped riding a bike and took up other hobbies). Putting kids on bikes as early as possible would not only advance bike awareness and acceptance but serve as a tool to help them from becoming obese adults.

Also, I think I should move to Denmark. When I visited in 1999, I rode a bike all over, through small towns to Copenhagan. Very bike friendly and they have gotten it right. And who knew that Louisville, KY was bike friendly! A lot was accomplished in three years. Of course, they elected a mayor who envisioned it.

Anyway, very informative.

Delovely...

Now can we talk about Bikes in the News? :D:)

3000 wooden loaner bikes in NY! (http://www.amny.com/news/local/am-bike1226,0,3339802.story)

be interviewed by Metro...

http://www.metro.net/news_info/press/metro_215.htm

"He's full of crap." Such strong language from an adorable pink kittycat riding a tricycle! :D
You should let him know those poopie bike paths are unacceptable.

Kitty was mad because she was riding through, not dog crap, but human crap. :mad: And yes kitty wrote Councilperson Reyes directly with her concerns about his bike paths. She also suggested that he get on a bike and ride through some of the crap (no exactly that word) like she has. I'm sure one of his staff will respond with a "Thank you for your concern..." form letter.:rolleyes:

Kitty was mad because she was riding through, not dog crap, but human crap. :mad: And yes kitty wrote Councilperson Reyes directly with her concerns about his bike paths. She also suggested that he get on a bike and ride through some of the crap (no exactly that word) like she has. I'm sure one of his staff will respond with a "Thank you for your concern..." form letter.:rolleyes:

Yes, but at least Kitty wrote councilperson Reyes directly and put her money where her mouth is. I like that Kitty is proactive - an example for all of us to follow who want those trails/paths improved.:)

Some hikers and mountain bikers that I know actually go out themselves and maintain the trails that they prefer to use. Pick up trash, cut back growth...

Jus sayin'...No No Not want to make Kitty mad..no no please....;):D:)

Some hikers and mountain bikers that I know actually go out themselves and maintain the trails that they prefer to use. Pick up trash, cut back growth...

Jus sayin'...No No Not want to make Kitty mad..no no please....;):D:)

Well, that's certainly comendable. But we cyclists can't repair cracks and holes in the pavement, broken lights, or weeds growing up through the cement! Nor can we finish the bike path through the valley so that one can actually commute via the path from Woodland Hills all the way to downtown LA! At least, this one can't.

Some hikers and mountain bikers that I know actually go out themselves and maintain the trails that they prefer to use. Pick up trash, cut back growth...

Jus sayin'...No No Not want to make Kitty mad..no no please....;):D:)

Sorry, Kitty's not down with cleaning up human feces.:eek: She pays taxes for that.

One day a rain will come and wash all the scum off the bike path.

So I was speaking to a woman named Monica Valencia. She works for Ed Reyes.
They are interested in setting up a dialogue with local cyclists to talk about ways to improve their district. Here's your chance to speak up. The meeting will probably be held in Highland Park or some other Northeast location. If you are interested in attending her email is monica.valencia@lacity.org

So I was speaking to a woman named Monica Valencia. She works for Ed Reyes.
They are interested in setting up a dialogue with local cyclists to talk about ways to improve their district. Here's your chance to speak up. The meeting will probably be held in Highland Park or some other Northeast location. If you are interested in attending her email is monica.valencia@lacity.org

That is big news Alice. I hope people in the area take advantage of this opportunity.

So I was speaking to a woman named Monica Valencia. She works for Ed Reyes.
They are interested in setting up a dialogue with local cyclists to talk about ways to improve their district. Here's your chance to speak up. The meeting will probably be held in Highland Park or some other Northeast location. If you are interested in attending her email is monica.valencia@lacity.org

Hi Alice,

I was just going to write my response from Reyes office when you posted yours. Here's what was emailed to me:

Good afternoon Ms. Gray, I hope this email finds you well.

Thank you for writing Councilmember Reyes. As his Elysian Park Deputy, he has asked me to respond on his behalf.

Councilmember Reyes is extremely excited about the bike path proposal and are trying to locate specific trails/streets that we would be able to have these paths. He appreciates all input on this proposal and we will be looking into these issues at Radio Hill.

Councilmember Reyes is aware that there are issues on Radio Hill but we have been pro-actively working to clean up this once blighted area. In October, our office coordinated a three day clean up that included multiple agencies (Recreation and Park, Sanitation Department, Los Angeles Homeless Service Authority, CalTrans, CHP, LAPD, Park Rangers and Office of Public Safety). We were successful in cleaning up 10 homeless encampments on the hill, as well as trash and debris that had been dumped on the hill. Both the department of Recreation and Parks and the Office of Public Safety have been closely monitoring the hill to ensure that we do not have the same issues as in October.

We are committed to solving the issues up on Radio Hill and appreciate your commitment to your community.

May you please provide a phone number? I would like to set-up a meeting with you and Councilmember Reyes, so we can tour the hill to look at this issues you addressed in your email.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank You,

Suzanne Jimenez
Councilmember Ed P. Reyes
Lincoln Heights Field Office
163 South Avenue 24, Suite 202
Los Angeles, CA 90031

I'm definitely going to give them my phone # and invited Ed Reyes and staff for a tour of not only Radio Hill but that disgusting path that runs parallel to the 110. It's a few 100 feet from Radio Hill's entrance.

Hi Alice,

I was just going to write my response from Reyes office when you posted yours. Here's what was emailed to me:

Good afternoon Ms. Gray, I hope this email finds you well.

Thank you for writing Councilmember Reyes. As his Elysian Park Deputy, he has asked me to respond on his behalf.

Councilmember Reyes is extremely excited about the bike path proposal and are trying to locate specific trails/streets that we would be able to have these paths. He appreciates all input on this proposal and we will be looking into these issues at Radio Hill.

Councilmember Reyes is aware that there are issues on Radio Hill but we have been pro-actively working to clean up this once blighted area. In October, our office coordinated a three day clean up that included multiple agencies (Recreation and Park, Sanitation Department, Los Angeles Homeless Service Authority, CalTrans, CHP, LAPD, Park Rangers and Office of Public Safety). We were successful in cleaning up 10 homeless encampments on the hill, as well as trash and debris that had been dumped on the hill. Both the department of Recreation and Parks and the Office of Public Safety have been closely monitoring the hill to ensure that we do not have the same issues as in October.

We are committed to solving the issues up on Radio Hill and appreciate your commitment to your community.

May you please provide a phone number? I would like to set-up a meeting with you and Councilmember Reyes, so we can tour the hill to look at this issues you addressed in your email.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank You,

Suzanne Jimenez
Councilmember Ed P. Reyes
Lincoln Heights Field Office
163 South Avenue 24, Suite 202
Los Angeles, CA 90031

I'm definitely going to give them my phone # and invited Ed Reyes and staff for a tour of not only Radio Hill but that disgusting path that runs parallel to the 110. It's a few 100 feet from Radio Hill's entrance.

Fantastic Ms. Gray. I really like when city leaders are willing to hear a bicyclist point of view. Good job.

Combined with what Ms Grey heard back from them it sounds very hopeful!

Fantastic Ms. Gray. I really like when city leaders are willing to hear a bicyclist point of view. Good job.

+1 I'll go. I'd love to provide input on the LA river trail and on SGRT. Maybe if enough people speak up...???

This is great news. I haven't been up on that hill in at least a dozen years but would definitely ride up there within the next few days.

You should also make sure to copy Monica Howe @ the LA Bike Coalition on this...monica@labike.org (this...monica@labike.org)

You should also make sure to copy Monica Howe @ the LA Bike Coalition on this...monica@labike.org (this...monica@labike.org)


you read my mind. :) I'll take care of that.

This is great news. I haven't been up on that hill in at least a dozen years but would definitely ride up there within the next few days.

Take pictures George! If you have time could you take some of the path that runs along side of the 110? I have pictures, but none of the human poo.

Take pictures George! If you have time could you take some of the path that runs along side of the 110? I have pictures, but none of the human poo.I've never been on that path which runs alongside the 110. Is that the new path which they recently erected?
I've never taken pictures of poo before. How can I tell if they're human or not?

+1 I'll go. I'd love to provide input on the LA river trail and on SGRT. Maybe if enough people speak up...???

Mary, be careful when you go up there. I must of been high on crack going up there alone. There alot of tents and men stumbling around on the path. It would be ideal if you could go up with George. No one's gonna mess with him and those calves!;)

I've never been on that path which runs alongside the 110. Is that the new path which they recently erected?
I've never taken pictures of poo before. How can I tell if they're human or not?


There's nothing new about this path! :eek: It has a cage around it. And when you come down off radio hill on the Amador side, look up to your left, next to the 110 and you'll see the path.

The poo I saw had a trail of paper towels with...well I won't be graphic.

Mary, be careful when you go up there. I must of been high on crack going up there alone. There alot of tents and men stumbling around on the path. It would be ideal if you could go up with George. No one's gonna mess with him and those calves!;)

Good idea! But I should go take pics of it (and myself in dorky poses - that will get there attention! :p)

There's nothing new about this path! :eek: It has a cage around it. And when you come down off radio hill on the Amador side, look up to your left, next to the 110 and you'll see the path.
Oops....I guess there are places in my back yard in which I haven't explored yet! :p
I definitely need to get out there on the other side of the 110. Is there a Starbucks on that side?

Posing with poo is never a good idea. Never.

Hey...one man's pile of poo is another man's art.

For the love of all things good and decent, don't do it. Just don't do it. I beg you...

*sigh*

By "it" - I meant the path, not the poo. :rolleyes::p

Oops....I guess there are places in my back yard in which I haven't explored yet! :p
I definitely need to get out there on the other side of the 110. Is there a Starbucks on that side?

Sorry no patio tables with a steaming cup of cappuccino. Only posin you'll be doing is with a pile of poo.

Good idea! But I should go take pics of it (and myself in dorky poses - that will get there attention! )

Oh great. I can see us at the meeting now. Reyes rolling his eyes and I turning orange with embarrassment. :lol:

Sorry no patio tables with a steaming cup of cappuccino. Only posin you'll be doing is with a pile of poo.

Well I can at least sculpt a pile of poo to make it look like City Hall. It has a distinct, recognizable shape to it that should be easy to sculpt. That'll get their attention and get the ball rolling immediately...:p

Start sculpting George!:lol:

Start sculpting George!:lol:Give me a couple of days while I increase my fiber intake.

Give me a couple of days while I increase my fiber intake.

Eat corn or peanuts and you'll have more to play with artistically.

Kidd I'm here trying to help but this thread has just gone to s***... :mad:


:D
;)

Kidd I'm here trying to help but this thread has just gone to s***... :mad:


:D
;)

I bet someone said that to Warhol at some point in his life too. :p

ha ha ha ha ha

I cc'd Monica Howe at labike.org and I received a response from Reyes office to voice my concerns. It would be great if anyone else would like to come and talk. Is there a time that would be good for most people? The more that show up, the more Reyes will take us seriously. There's strength in numbers!

Ms. Gray,
Thank you for your concerns.

We will work with the appropriate departments to clean-up the bike/pedestrian path along the 110 fwy. I have notified Recreation and Parks that there are more encampments up on Radio Hill. We work with them to have them cleaned before it gets too bad.

I would definitely like to set up a tour with you and the Councilmember. Are their specific days that are best for you?

Thank You,

Suzanne Jimenez
Councilmember Ed P. Reyes
Lincoln Heights Field Office

I would be down for this although I'm really more interested in the other meeting I posted since there are already people I know involved.

But I would do this, also.

My schedule is flexible...throw out some times...

Alice, since it's with the same office can we have one meeting. Maybe I should tell Suzanne to come to yours. Have you set a time? I work at home and I'm pretty flexible.