Classic & Vintage - What constitutes a Classic/Vintage?

I recently had a large frame Peugeot dropped in my lap from a co-worker, this bike has a sticker on the frame saying it's "Hand Brazed and a name that sort've looks like La monde or something like that. On the Group it has what appears to be an "S" in a starburst or perhaps hollow sun? (suntour?). The shifters have the same casting on them. The front derailleur is bolted to the frametube with a bracket that is only half way round the tube...(never saw that before) it has aluminum toe clips with what appear to be early Shimano pedals. The rims are Mavic clinchers, and the fork is chromed. Other than two flats this ride looks like NEW. Oh yeah, it also has an old cateye with two sensors, one on the rear wheel, the other on the crank.
I'm hoping someone can tell me if this is of value to someone or what, it's too tall for me plus I'm looking for something a little lighter and with the convenience of indexed shifting.
The guy who owned it was 6'1", I'm only 5'10"
Help!
billydiego

The "S" groupo is probably Simplex. The easiest way to estimate the age of a Peugeot is to compare your decal and paint pattern with those in the classicrendezvous.com PX-10 gallery. (My 1980 PKN-10 has a "hand brazed" sticker on the top tube and a B0xxxx serial number.)

As to "what constitutes classic/vintage," I think my Capo qualifies nicely. I am not so sure about the others, although I think my mountain bike is rare enough to get there in a few more years.

I also asked this question when i first joined & i don't think it was answered then. For cars the terms classic & vintage or antique have specific definitions, but for bikes...?

If you use vintage and bicycle in the same sentence according to Classic Rendezvous, it defines a bike manufactured before 1980.

Billy: Check the bottom of the bottom bracket shell. I think you've got a late 70's (79) to mid eighties peugeot. On the bottom of the bottoom bracket, there is usually a serial and model number. If this info is there, I can tell you more. John E. is correct, the "s" stands for simplex.

In car terms, a classic is a car manufactured at least 25 years ago. That'll qualify you for vintage plates in my state, and is the cutoff for the classic car show in Hershey each year. However, we bike sorts are neither as orgainized or as numerous as our car counterparts.

Great, John, my Puch is vintage.:-> Now maybe somebody can pin down the year for me.

Currently the cut off at Classic Rendezvous is 1983.
There has been much discussion of the rolling 20 year
cut off.
For me, it depends. I have an 18 year old Trek, full campy
Nuovo Record, I'd say its classic. I also have a 13 year old
Serotta frame, running campy Chorus which is NOT classic
(for me its partly the components).
I've seen a new Gios (this years production) that is classic
but not vintage, but is a replica of their 1978 model, complete
with lugs etc.

now, isn't that confusing?
John E. I think that all your bikes qualify.

Marty

Ok guys,
Check it out, this Peugeot has a Super Vitus double butted frame, chromed Super Vitus fork, Weinmann 605 brakes, a Spidel headset, and Mavic tubular/sew-up hoops. Both deraileurs are Simplex with a six speed gearset. There are two sets of #s on the bottom bracket, B3066294 and 097360710. The paint is pearl white with orange lettering.
Believe it or not, the Vittoria Formula 1s still hold 80 lbs! My desire is to use this to help finance a new road bike, any takers? I have good photos. As I have said already this bike looks like new.
Help get an old man on a New Light Ride!
B. :beer:

I think you've got a mid-to-late eighties Peugeot road bike. In particular, a 1983-- the first number following the "b" on the serial number indicates the year of manufacture. The vitus tubing was generally used on more mid-line bikes, like the PFN10E "Course" model or the Deauville model (though some of these have 531, apparently). The fully chromed fork is a giveaway for dating; these don't show up until I think 1979 on the "Super Competition" model (a step up from the PKN10E's John E. and I own).

You have a nice to midling bike, it'd probably net between one and two hundred bucks on ebay. It's likely my size, but I have enough Peugeots so that only a really nice PX10 could rouse me from my stupor.

Proviso: without actually seeing the darn thing, I can't say much more.

Just get rid of those awful Vittorias!

The Vintage Bicycle Association nominally classifies pre-indexed mid-to-high end road bikes as "vintage," i.e., approximately pre-1984. Non-indexed barcons or downtube levers help differentiate them from STI, Ergo, etc.

OldRoads.com declares most pre-1990 mountain bikes (chainstay brakes, thumb shifters, long brake levers, lugged steel frames, 110-74mm BCD spiders, 6- or 7-speed freewheels, non-suspension) as "old school." My Schwinn certainly fits this category!

Well, sounds like my old cannondale only partially qualifies, although this peugeot is def a classic...I would like to post a photo but my page of the post isn't showing the browse button....i took it up the road today, it really has a quality about it. I can't imagine that I used to use toe clips. the pedals on it are 600s.

To post a photo, don't use the "quick reply" box at the bottom of the page. Instead, click on the "post reply" links at top ansd bottom of thread. You can post a photo off your hard drive there.

Everyone deserves a big shout-out for the replies to my peugeot posting. I've learned a great deal from you guys. I measured the frame last nite, it's a 60cm. the old vittorias are still holding 80 lbs!
Rode the cannondog after work today(17mi) I swear the wind was in my face out and in! I will probably only get one more ride in before the Misses and I take the Tracker down to Fla to hook some big bass next week!
BD:beer: