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So Sad.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5403903.html
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So Sad.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5403903.html
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barndoor
This just makes me sick....
You just have to wonder where the parents were.....
You just have to wonder where the parents were.....
UmneyDurak
This just makes me sick....
You just have to wonder where the parents were.....
I probably going to get stoned for this here but, actually one has to wonder where the children common sense is these days.
You just have to wonder where the parents were.....
I probably going to get stoned for this here but, actually one has to wonder where the children common sense is these days.
kjmillig
A 7 year olds common sense says, "Hey, I have a new bike. I wonder how fast it will go." They have neither the life experience nor foresight to think about a car in the roadway that might hit them as they ride out. That's like wondering where the one year olds common sense was when they touched the stove.:eek:
UmneyDurak
A 7 year olds common sense says, "Hey, I have a new bike. I wonder how fast it will go." They have neither the life experience nor foresight to think about a car in the roadway that might hit them as they ride out. That's like wondering where the one year olds common sense was when they touched the stove.:eek:
Wow very low expectations. Where I grew up kids were out by themselves playing all day. Never heard of anyone being run over by a car because they rode in front of it. I think there is something fundamentally wrong with expectations that kids shouldn't have some basic common sense, and yes knowing how to interact with traffic is a basic common sense.
I think parents are partly responsible. Not for "not being there", but for not teaching the kid some basic "street smarts".
Wow very low expectations. Where I grew up kids were out by themselves playing all day. Never heard of anyone being run over by a car because they rode in front of it. I think there is something fundamentally wrong with expectations that kids shouldn't have some basic common sense, and yes knowing how to interact with traffic is a basic common sense.
I think parents are partly responsible. Not for "not being there", but for not teaching the kid some basic "street smarts".
maximan1
R.I.P, but where are the adults, and that wasn't too smart of the kid either.
JeanCoutu
Sad yes, and no doubt the driver will feel like crap about it for a long time to come, but the news story really isn't giving much details about the whole interaction.
Xrisnothing
http://www.ksat.com/news/14922390/detail.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA122607.02B.killed.257be56.html
Her brother is probably going to hate Christmas and bicycles for the rest of his life... He'll probably blame himself for leaving her alone too. I know I would feel guilty for it. If this was the girls' first bike, the parents really should have been outside with her. At her age though, I was riding to school and all through the neighborhood without a helmet.
The article says that the driver was accelerating from a stop sign when he hit her. Her brother was inside. It was Christmas morning. The neighbors were inside opening presents and such. I'm sure no one saw the accident, because the article does not mention any witnesses. It seems to me like the guy didn't stop. I find it hard to believe that a person could come to a complete stop at an intersection and proceed to gas the vehicle straight into a seven year old on a bike.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA122607.02B.killed.257be56.html
Her brother is probably going to hate Christmas and bicycles for the rest of his life... He'll probably blame himself for leaving her alone too. I know I would feel guilty for it. If this was the girls' first bike, the parents really should have been outside with her. At her age though, I was riding to school and all through the neighborhood without a helmet.
The article says that the driver was accelerating from a stop sign when he hit her. Her brother was inside. It was Christmas morning. The neighbors were inside opening presents and such. I'm sure no one saw the accident, because the article does not mention any witnesses. It seems to me like the guy didn't stop. I find it hard to believe that a person could come to a complete stop at an intersection and proceed to gas the vehicle straight into a seven year old on a bike.
uciflylow
The "happening on Christmas" is in our own mind. I work in a hospital, and I assure you LIFE and DEATH doesn't take a day off on Christmas!
May God bring peace to all involved in this terrible accident!
May God bring peace to all involved in this terrible accident!
StrangeWill
Wow very low expectations. Where I grew up kids were out by themselves playing all day. Never heard of anyone being run over by a car because they rode in front of it. I think there is something fundamentally wrong with expectations that kids shouldn't have some basic common sense, and yes knowing how to interact with traffic is a basic common sense.
I think parents are partly responsible. Not for "not being there", but for not teaching the kid some basic "street smarts".
Doesn't anyone else remember as a kid yelling "car" and everyone gathering up whatever they were doing and splitting for the sides of the road, only to come back out once the coast was clear. ;) Apparently my neighborhood had an understanding of traffic existing.
I think parents are partly responsible. Not for "not being there", but for not teaching the kid some basic "street smarts".
Doesn't anyone else remember as a kid yelling "car" and everyone gathering up whatever they were doing and splitting for the sides of the road, only to come back out once the coast was clear. ;) Apparently my neighborhood had an understanding of traffic existing.
why2not
Wow very low expectations. Where I grew up kids were out by themselves playing all day. Never heard of anyone being run over by a car because they rode in front of it. I think there is something fundamentally wrong with expectations that kids shouldn't have some basic common sense, and yes knowing how to interact with traffic is a basic common sense.
I think parents are partly responsible. Not for "not being there", but for not teaching the kid some basic "street smarts".
Perhaps the reason you never heard of a child being run over by a car when you were growing up was because:
A) You weren't on the internet exposed stories that can make the nation seem awfully small
B) You weren't very intrested in the news when you were a child, especially about someplace far away
Unless you can find statistics that back up your claim that kids are being run over more now than they were 30 years ago, I think your conclusion that kids have less common sense than they did 30 years ago is based upon flawed assumptions.
I think parents are partly responsible. Not for "not being there", but for not teaching the kid some basic "street smarts".
Perhaps the reason you never heard of a child being run over by a car when you were growing up was because:
A) You weren't on the internet exposed stories that can make the nation seem awfully small
B) You weren't very intrested in the news when you were a child, especially about someplace far away
Unless you can find statistics that back up your claim that kids are being run over more now than they were 30 years ago, I think your conclusion that kids have less common sense than they did 30 years ago is based upon flawed assumptions.
Hickeydog
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
Walter
A 7 year old on her first bike will make mistakes. That is true today and was true 36 years ago when I was that age. Why2not makes a good point about such news getting wider dissemination nowadays but I can assure you kids (and adults) got hit by cars "back in the day" as well.
While I agree that her parents should have been out with her I cannot bring myself to openly criticize them. They are enduring unbearable grief right now and they have my deepest condolences. I wish them God's Peace as they try to move forward.
While I agree that her parents should have been out with her I cannot bring myself to openly criticize them. They are enduring unbearable grief right now and they have my deepest condolences. I wish them God's Peace as they try to move forward.
AndrewP
This hit the news becuase it is so rare. The hundreds of motorists killed over the holidays doesnt excite any interest.
UmneyDurak
Perhaps the reason you never heard of a child being run over by a car when you were growing up was because:
A) You weren't on the internet exposed stories that can make the nation seem awfully small
B) You weren't very intrested in the news when you were a child, especially about someplace far away
Unless you can find statistics that back up your claim that kids are being run over more now than they were 30 years ago, I think your conclusion that kids have less common sense than they did 30 years ago is based upon flawed assumptions.
Well by similar logic do you have statistics that show accident rates are the same?
A) You weren't on the internet exposed stories that can make the nation seem awfully small
B) You weren't very intrested in the news when you were a child, especially about someplace far away
Unless you can find statistics that back up your claim that kids are being run over more now than they were 30 years ago, I think your conclusion that kids have less common sense than they did 30 years ago is based upon flawed assumptions.
Well by similar logic do you have statistics that show accident rates are the same?
StephenH
I don't know that news like that got broadcast the same back then as it does today, either. The media has changed a lot through the years as to what does and doesn't get reported. It would surely make the local papers, but whether it made papers across the country is a different matter.
A childhood friend of mine had a scar on his lip from running out in front of a car- it wasn't bike-related, though.
A childhood friend of mine had a scar on his lip from running out in front of a car- it wasn't bike-related, though.
AlmostTrick
My thoughts go out to the family of this little girl as they struggle with their pain.
This happened in a residential area were drivers should be more aware of the possibility of playing kids entering the streets unexpectedly. As a driver it is hard for me to accept that running down a kid in these conditions (no matter what they did) is unavoidable. In my neighborhood I see many drivers going too fast, giving little or no thought to the possibility of a kid popping out in front of them. Try as it sometimes seems they may, no kid will ever get me to hit him/her while I'm driving. So yes, no matter how it happened, the driver is at least partially to blame, and could have avoided hitting her.
This happened in a residential area were drivers should be more aware of the possibility of playing kids entering the streets unexpectedly. As a driver it is hard for me to accept that running down a kid in these conditions (no matter what they did) is unavoidable. In my neighborhood I see many drivers going too fast, giving little or no thought to the possibility of a kid popping out in front of them. Try as it sometimes seems they may, no kid will ever get me to hit him/her while I'm driving. So yes, no matter how it happened, the driver is at least partially to blame, and could have avoided hitting her.
Walter
Kids riding their new bikes on Christmas Day is as close to an ubiquitous experience as there is so yes the driver should have been more aware of what was going on.
He may not have technically been at fault but I agree with AlmostTrick; he probably could have done more. Without knowing him at all I'll assume that he's as grief stricken as anybody else in this sad story and I won't pile on him any more.
He may not have technically been at fault but I agree with AlmostTrick; he probably could have done more. Without knowing him at all I'll assume that he's as grief stricken as anybody else in this sad story and I won't pile on him any more.
maximan1
Doesn't anyone else remember as a kid yelling "car" and everyone gathering up whatever they were doing and splitting for the sides of the road, only to come back out once the coast was clear. ;) Apparently my neighborhood had an understanding of traffic existing.
One time me and my friends had this idea to pretend we fell over a speed bump and see if people would get out of cars to help us.
Boy was that a mistake.
One time me and my friends had this idea to pretend we fell over a speed bump and see if people would get out of cars to help us.
Boy was that a mistake.
fthomas
My prayers for the parents and the driver.
How tragic.
How tragic.
closetbiker
A 7 year old on her first bike will make mistakes. That is true today and was true 36 years ago when I was that age. Why2not makes a good point about such news getting wider dissemination nowadays but I can assure you kids (and adults) got hit by cars "back in the day" as well.
While I agree that her parents should have been out with her I cannot bring myself to openly criticize them. They are enduring unbearable grief right now and they have my deepest condolences. I wish them God's Peace as they try to move forward.
It's pretty sad but it has and will happen again. Children are over represented in cycling accidents
on this page
http://www.helmets.org/bcstudy.htm
it shows that over a 10 year period close to half the fatalities were to children and/or involved drunks (on the bike or in a car)
It also says,
It is one thing for a child to ride a bicycle in a cul de sac. It is another to ride it in thoroughfares busy with myriad types of motor vehicles, varying road conditions (including those under repair) and where there are a variety of signs and signals that are confusing to most of us. When do children's psychomotor skills develop to the extent that they can ride safely in busy traffic? Some researchers indicate that a child's poor comprehension of safety rules may limit the effectiveness of safety education programs because young children do not perceive the traffic environment as do adults. Findings of a study into these matters could have a profound impact on bicycle safety education as well as providing guidelines as to the time when children may 'graduate' to riding on shared roadways.
and recommends,
to conduct a study to determine at what age children become sufficiently mature to understand and follow the rules of the road and, at the same time have the requisite psychomotor skills to do so.
In a different study of all collisions between MV's and cyclists it shows the number of collisions by age
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1384/857977241_f164fd1341.jpg
and in this graph it shows some riding behavior by age that may lead to collisions
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/578296000_d26917eeca.jpg
While I agree that her parents should have been out with her I cannot bring myself to openly criticize them. They are enduring unbearable grief right now and they have my deepest condolences. I wish them God's Peace as they try to move forward.
It's pretty sad but it has and will happen again. Children are over represented in cycling accidents
on this page
http://www.helmets.org/bcstudy.htm
it shows that over a 10 year period close to half the fatalities were to children and/or involved drunks (on the bike or in a car)
It also says,
It is one thing for a child to ride a bicycle in a cul de sac. It is another to ride it in thoroughfares busy with myriad types of motor vehicles, varying road conditions (including those under repair) and where there are a variety of signs and signals that are confusing to most of us. When do children's psychomotor skills develop to the extent that they can ride safely in busy traffic? Some researchers indicate that a child's poor comprehension of safety rules may limit the effectiveness of safety education programs because young children do not perceive the traffic environment as do adults. Findings of a study into these matters could have a profound impact on bicycle safety education as well as providing guidelines as to the time when children may 'graduate' to riding on shared roadways.
and recommends,
to conduct a study to determine at what age children become sufficiently mature to understand and follow the rules of the road and, at the same time have the requisite psychomotor skills to do so.
In a different study of all collisions between MV's and cyclists it shows the number of collisions by age
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1384/857977241_f164fd1341.jpg
and in this graph it shows some riding behavior by age that may lead to collisions
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/578296000_d26917eeca.jpg
randomgear
My thoughts go out to the family of the little girl.
Anyone who drives in a residential area must be aware of the possibility of kids running/riding into the road.
I saw a safety message on the back of a tractor trailer a few days ago "behind rolling ball comes running child". At first I thought it very quaint, but I remembered back about 15 years ago, driving down my street a kid came running out of a tall hedge, I hit the brakes, turned the wheel hard, and then repeated it. I remember asking my sister, who was sitting beside me if we hit anything, I couldn't believe that I didn't hit the kid or the oncoming truck. I looked back in the rearview mirror, the kid was still standing, but looking a bit shocked. Several people were very fortunate that day.
Anyone who drives in a residential area must be aware of the possibility of kids running/riding into the road.
I saw a safety message on the back of a tractor trailer a few days ago "behind rolling ball comes running child". At first I thought it very quaint, but I remembered back about 15 years ago, driving down my street a kid came running out of a tall hedge, I hit the brakes, turned the wheel hard, and then repeated it. I remember asking my sister, who was sitting beside me if we hit anything, I couldn't believe that I didn't hit the kid or the oncoming truck. I looked back in the rearview mirror, the kid was still standing, but looking a bit shocked. Several people were very fortunate that day.
Gus Riley
Some drivers are absolute idiots. I have not read the article yet before writing this. Judging by how some people drive around neighborhoods here I think I can imagine what the basic story will say. "She came out of no where; I just didn't see her...ETC ETC"
In town we pick up our kids from school. On most days I pick mine up (and the neighbor's) on our Triplet with piccollo attached, but some days in the car. While in single file we wait to move up to the child pick up point. The road is narrow, barely enough room for any traffic to get around the waiting cars. Yet there are several idiots that drive by at a speed that makes it impossible for them to see any child running out from between cars in time to avoid them. This pick up point is NOT along a busy section, but practically an alleyway behind the school.
Some people drive with no foresight ability. I have seen these people speed up to the school to the drop off their own kids with no thought for the safety of anyone else’s children. They are in a huge hurry to delivery their own kids while they put everyone else’s children at great risk. I can see the news now... "He came out of no where I just didn't see him...Oh I'm sick over this, I'll never be the same!!!"
I can vouch for that if they run one of mine down!!
In town we pick up our kids from school. On most days I pick mine up (and the neighbor's) on our Triplet with piccollo attached, but some days in the car. While in single file we wait to move up to the child pick up point. The road is narrow, barely enough room for any traffic to get around the waiting cars. Yet there are several idiots that drive by at a speed that makes it impossible for them to see any child running out from between cars in time to avoid them. This pick up point is NOT along a busy section, but practically an alleyway behind the school.
Some people drive with no foresight ability. I have seen these people speed up to the school to the drop off their own kids with no thought for the safety of anyone else’s children. They are in a huge hurry to delivery their own kids while they put everyone else’s children at great risk. I can see the news now... "He came out of no where I just didn't see him...Oh I'm sick over this, I'll never be the same!!!"
I can vouch for that if they run one of mine down!!
slagjumper
I learned on a dirt road with no cars. Cant really blame the driver. It takes a while for kids to get the hang of braking and all of the other skills involved in riding. I saw a kid crash into a water foutain at the park because he forgot how to stop. Good sense is not common.
syn0n
Some drivers are absolute idiots. I have not read the article yet before writing this. Judging by how some people drive around neighborhoods here I think I can imagine what the basic story will say. "She came out of no where; I just didn't see her...ETC ETC"
Some people drive with no foresight ability. I can see the news now... "He came out of no where I just didn't see him...Oh I'm sick over this, I'll never be the same!!!"
It is in fact possible for kids to "come out of nowhere". It almost happened to me about a month ago. Cruising at 25mph on a residential road. I approached a driveway hidden by a fairly tall wall, and just barely saw the top of what I immediately recognized to be a helmet. A helmet rapidly approaching the street, no more than 50 feet from me. Stepped hard on the brakes. I got some tire chirp because I don't have ABS, and I basically stopped at the performance limit of the brakes and tires. The nose of the car stopped less than ten feet from the kid who flew down the driveway.
Had he been shorter, I wouldn't have been able to see him, and I probably would've hit him. If he hadn't been wearing I helmet, I probably wouldn't have been able to see him, and probably would've hit him. If his seat had been lower, or the wall had been taller, etc, he would've been invisible until he got to the last two feet of the driveway, a point at which I would not have possibly been able to stop.
Sure, they're kids. But even when a driver is paying close attention, it's entirely possible not to be able to see a kid who's doing something stupid, like riding full-speed down a hidden drive. I know my parents warned me as a child on his bicycle that getting hit by a car could kill me. I don't know if parents don't like to talk about things like death to children, but it might keep them from dying on the road.
Condolences to the family of the child.
Some people drive with no foresight ability. I can see the news now... "He came out of no where I just didn't see him...Oh I'm sick over this, I'll never be the same!!!"
It is in fact possible for kids to "come out of nowhere". It almost happened to me about a month ago. Cruising at 25mph on a residential road. I approached a driveway hidden by a fairly tall wall, and just barely saw the top of what I immediately recognized to be a helmet. A helmet rapidly approaching the street, no more than 50 feet from me. Stepped hard on the brakes. I got some tire chirp because I don't have ABS, and I basically stopped at the performance limit of the brakes and tires. The nose of the car stopped less than ten feet from the kid who flew down the driveway.
Had he been shorter, I wouldn't have been able to see him, and I probably would've hit him. If he hadn't been wearing I helmet, I probably wouldn't have been able to see him, and probably would've hit him. If his seat had been lower, or the wall had been taller, etc, he would've been invisible until he got to the last two feet of the driveway, a point at which I would not have possibly been able to stop.
Sure, they're kids. But even when a driver is paying close attention, it's entirely possible not to be able to see a kid who's doing something stupid, like riding full-speed down a hidden drive. I know my parents warned me as a child on his bicycle that getting hit by a car could kill me. I don't know if parents don't like to talk about things like death to children, but it might keep them from dying on the road.
Condolences to the family of the child.
bmclaughlin807
I probably going to get stoned for this here but, actually one has to wonder where the children common sense is these days.
I saw a little girl (about 8?) get on the bus today... as the bus is approaching (On icy/wet roads) she turns around and waves to her family while walking BACKWARDS towards the bus... the bus driver chews her out (pretty nicely) then she rides to her stop. She gets off the bus, waits for it to pull away, then runs across a 6 lane (7 if you count the turn lane) BUSY street... less than 100 feet from a stop light/crosswalk.
What the F$%# are parents teaching their kids today???
I saw a little girl (about 8?) get on the bus today... as the bus is approaching (On icy/wet roads) she turns around and waves to her family while walking BACKWARDS towards the bus... the bus driver chews her out (pretty nicely) then she rides to her stop. She gets off the bus, waits for it to pull away, then runs across a 6 lane (7 if you count the turn lane) BUSY street... less than 100 feet from a stop light/crosswalk.
What the F$%# are parents teaching their kids today???
closetbiker
Cycling injury and deaths often include an abundance of children.
They're just kids. They can't be blamed for acting like a kid.
Parents should be watching and be close at hand and hope the advice they give them is absorbed. Sometimes it takes a while for this to happen.
I couldn't imagine greater pain for parent, than their child dying before them.
They're just kids. They can't be blamed for acting like a kid.
Parents should be watching and be close at hand and hope the advice they give them is absorbed. Sometimes it takes a while for this to happen.
I couldn't imagine greater pain for parent, than their child dying before them.
AlmostTrick
Too many drivers propel their cars on the premise that if they can't see a kid there must not be one there. Things like parked cars and tall hedges that can hide a kid, are taken into consideration by the safest drivers, and they adjust and prepare for the possibility of a kid (or anything else) "popping out of nowhere". By observation I can tell you that many drivers do not do this. If you're yapping on the phone at 35 mph while passing these potential dangers with barely one hand on the wheel, yeah, a kid that makes a stupid move will be hit. Yet I see drivers do this all the time, way more often in fact than I see a kid make a stupid move.
No one wants to hit a kid, yet many fall to take the necessary precautions to avoid it. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but "He just popped out of nowhere" seldom is a good enough excuse for me.
No one wants to hit a kid, yet many fall to take the necessary precautions to avoid it. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but "He just popped out of nowhere" seldom is a good enough excuse for me.
Artkansas
A 7 year old on her first bike will make mistakes. That is true today and was true 36 years ago when I was that age. Why2not makes a good point about such news getting wider dissemination nowadays but I can assure you kids got hit by cars "back in the day" as well.
Yup. My aunt got hit by a car when she ran out in the street. And that was in the 1920's.
Yup. My aunt got hit by a car when she ran out in the street. And that was in the 1920's.
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