Foo - Anyone watching the Clemens press confrence?

This is getting crazy personal...

Who/what is Clemens ?

Who/what is Clemens ?

Follow it or not, i have a very hard time believing you're clueless...

As in Roger?

Follow it or not, i have a very hard time believing you're clueless...

Kind of rude, I betcha I could ask my fiance the exact question your phrased and she wouldn't have a clue. She hates baseball as much as me and tracks it less than I do. Hell I could call my cousin and ask him and I would get the same reaction (now ask him who won the last round between gsp and hughes and he would be able to recite every great move done in the fight). Please don't believe baseball or baseball players are known to everyone.

I just happen to have been watching one of the football games yesterday and caught wind of the interview. I will likely keep my eye out on tv tonight so I can hear some sob story about this or that, and steroid this and that. Its unfortunate, when i loved baseball, clemens was one of my favorites. To bad my love for the game was forever destroyed during the 90's strike.

Why? It's only baseball.

Who/what is Clemens ?

Ain't that a college down in South Carolina somewhere? :p

No, timmyquest, I didn't catch the presser. It all sounds too familiar, ala dopers.

But Roger's an All-American kind of guy

Kind of rude, I betcha I could ask my fiance the exact question your phrased and she wouldn't have a clue. She hates baseball as much as me and tracks it less than I do. Hell I could call my cousin and ask him and I would get the same reaction (now ask him who won the last round between gsp and hughes and he would be able to recite every great move done in the fight). Please don't believe baseball or baseball players are known to everyone.

I just happen to have been watching one of the football games yesterday and caught wind of the interview. I will likely keep my eye out on tv tonight so I can hear some sob story about this or that, and steroid this and that. Its unfortunate, when i loved baseball, clemens was one of my favorites. To bad my love for the game was forever destroyed during the 90's strike.

This has been on just about every news outlet i've seen, so either you don't watch the news or you have very selective attention if you don't know what's going on recently.

This has been on just about every news outlet i've seen, so either you don't watch the news or you have very selective attention if you don't know what's going on recently.

Not up here, but then again, in the states it might be all over the place.

And generally, I watch the news until sports comes on. Then i flip. I imagine since this is clemens they are putting it near or in the sports section of news...so yes, I suppose I do have selective attention, probably the reason I built a PVR. So I didn't have to watch stuff I didn't care about...

so curious, do you believe him? I didn't see the interview, but thanks to this thread I did a little searching to find the gist.

But Roger's an All-American kind of guy

Roger Clemens - the second biggest panty-waist 300 game winner (after Don Sutton) and soon to be a panty-waist Hall of Famer.

Yes, he has phenominal numbers, and should be in the Hall for that reason. But he has never - and I am including his Yankee years - been a big-game pitcher. He struck out 19 Seattle Mariners when the Mariniers would have had trouble beating most AAA teams, but routinely lay down like a beaten dog when the heat was truly on. How many times did he lose big games just against Dave Stewart, including that spectacular melt-down to get thrown out of the game (!) in the play-offs? And that is not the end of the story; the guy's post-season record is a testimonial to wins when the pressure is fairly low and losses almost every time the weight is on him.

He is also a panty-waist because he would pull all kinds of Mr. Nasty head-hunting stunts knowing full well that, as an American League pitcher, he would never have to face the music by coming to the plate himself. His series of at-bats against Mike Piazza, culminating with throwing a piece of a broken bat at him, should have landed Clemens with a 50 game suspension for putting such an incredibly explicit exclamation mark on a career of being a bully who cowers when called out.

Anyone want Clemens for a big, gotta-have-it game? Fine, you can have him and his 300+ mainly meaningless wins. I'll take any one of Catfish Hunter, or Dave Stewart, or Jack Morris, or Orel Hershiser (ugh, it hurts to write that last one) - your pick - and my team will win because my pitcher will know how to handle the pressure, and Clemens will fold like a cheap Wal-Mart lawn chair.

Roger Clemens - the second biggest panty-waist 300 game winner (after Don Sutton) and soon to be a panty-waist Hall of Famer.

Yes, he has phenominal numbers, and should be in the Hall for that reason. But he has never - and I am including his Yankee years - been a big-game pitcher. He struck out 19 Seattle Mariners when the Mariniers would have had trouble beating most AAA teams, but routinely lay down like a beaten dog when the heat was truly on. How many times did he lose big games just against Dave Stewart, including that spectacular melt-down to get thrown out of the game (!) in the play-offs? And that is not the end of the story; the guy's post-season record is a testimonial to wins when the pressure is fairly low and losses almost every time the weight is on him.

He is also a panty-waist because he would pull all kinds of Mr. Nasty head-hunting stunts knowing full well that, as an American League pitcher, he would never have to face the music by coming to the plate himself. His series of at-bats against Mike Piazza, culminating with throwing a piece of a broken bat at him, should have landed Clemens with a 50 game suspension for putting such an incredibly explicit exclamation mark on a career of being a bully who cowers when called out.

Anyone want Clemens for a big, gotta-have-it game? Fine, you can have him and his 300+ mainly meaningless wins. I'll take any one of Catfish Hunter, or Dave Stewart, or Jack Morris, or Orel Hershiser (ugh, it hurts to write that last one) - your pick - and my team will win because my pitcher will know how to handle the pressure, and Clemens will fold like a cheap Wal-Mart lawn chair.

Thats funny, thats exactly how I feel about mat sundin on the maple laughs. Damn you brought back some memories though. Dave Stewart and jack morris were clutch...

Follow it or not, i have a very hard time believing you're clueless...


Believe it.

If its sports, I know the Eagles are Philly's football team. Thats it. Really.
I cannot think of anything more ponderous than Tv sports. Nothing....
Ill take drying paint and watching grass, anyday.

But Roger's an All-American kind of guy

Therein lies the problem...

More telling than his 60 minutes interview or the press conference tidbits on TV, was the 17 minute phone call I heard tonight from last Friday between him and his accuser. That is some very weird and interesting stuff. I'm on the fence as to whether he is guilty or innocent. But ultimately....I don't really car that much. He's made hundreds of millions of dollars from baseball...hard to feel sorry for him either way in my book.

Jack Morris

I'm proud to call him a former high school basketball team mate. :)

He was clutch all right!

looked on CNN "international" on the world sport page, and never saw anything about the Canadian Junior hockey team winning the world championships... IMO thats a much bigger story that some bozo that may or may not have taken steroids...

Thats it. Really.
I cannot think of anything more ponderous than Tv sports. Nothing....
Ill take drying paint and watching grass, anyday.

Wow!

Let me guess! You also don't own a TV set, right? (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694)

looked on CNN "international" on the world sport page, and never saw anything about the Canadian Junior hockey team winning the world championships... IMO thats a much bigger story that some bozo that may or may not have taken steroids...


You think that Canadian sports news is bigger to an American news outlet than the possibility of one of the greatest careers of one of the most important positions on the field of America's sport being illegitimate?

I'm not sure about that logic. But we digress...

You think that Canadian sports news is bigger to an American news outlet than the possibility of one of the greatest careers of one of the most important positions on the field of America's sport being illegitimate?

I'm not sure about that logic. But we digress...That sounds like Canadian logic to me.

Roger Clemens - the second biggest panty-waist 300 game winner (after Don Sutton) and soon to be a panty-waist Hall of Famer.

Yes, he has phenominal numbers, and should be in the Hall for that reason. But he has never - and I am including his Yankee years - been a big-game pitcher. He struck out 19 Seattle Mariners when the Mariniers would have had trouble beating most AAA teams....
Just so you know, it was a 20 strikeout game(and he's got 2 of 'em).

I did not see the press conference, I heard it was interesting to say the least. It will even more interesting to when he and trainer face congress in a week or so.

Therein lies the problem...

What does that mean?

This has been on just about every news outlet i've seen, so either you don't watch the news or you have very selective attention if you don't know what's going on recently.

outside of the US, US news rarely gets around. when I was in Europe, no one gave a ****
about anything going on in the USA. same when I spent 8 weeks in BC. not one article about
anything in the USA except Bush policies and the stock market.

They are getting desperate to try and clear his name. Of course I thought the tape phone converation with the trainer made him sound guilty.

outside of the US, US news rarely gets around. when I was in Europe, no one gave a ****
about anything going on in the USA. same when I spent 8 weeks in BC. not one article about
anything in the USA except Bush policies and the stock market.

What is your point? Lem lives in the USA

or Jack Morris,

Proof that the BWAA (the idjits that vote for the HoF) are out of their collective minds.

Jack Morris deserves to be in Cooperstown, along with Ron Santo and Rich Gossage.

The NFL does it right. They put a minimum/maximum on the guys going in and then on a certain weekend (Super Bowl weekend, I think?) all the voters get together and each candidate has one of the writers get up and make a case. That's how little known football players like Roger Wherli (the great St. Louis Cardinals defensive back of the 70's) get inducted.

Baseball writers can all suck it.

Good example of 'roid rage.

Who needs baseball anymore?

Good example of 'roid rage. +1. If it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t75/pedalforce/Drake.jpg


Who needs baseball anymore?...or competitive cycling?

But Roger's an All-Texan kind of guy

fixed.

outside of the US, US news rarely gets around. when I was in Europe, no one gave a ****
about anything going on in the USA. same when I spent 8 weeks in BC. not one article about
anything in the USA except Bush policies and the stock market.

poppycock.

fixed.

Correct.

Proof that the BWAA (the idjits that vote for the HoF) are out of their collective minds.

Jack Morris deserves to be in Cooperstown, along with Ron Santo and Rich Gossage.


Well, they got something right. Goose just made it in.

I was just watching Mike and Mike, and it's not a new thing, but recently i've been forced to agree. If you vote anyone from this era in, you have to vote everyone in. Even someone like Bonds.

And now for a recently pondered tin hat theory that i've slowly thought about maybe possibly accepting...

Clemens was asked about his b-12 injections and where they came from, he said that he never provided his injections and that whoever gave them supplied them.

I mean, lets play pretend for a moment. You're an up and coming trainer and you've been fortunate enough to be hired by a world class athlete. Isn't it in your best interest to turn this person into a beast? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for an athlete to be injected with things he/she doesn't know they are being injected with.

Well, they got something right. Goose just made it in.

Good for him, as he belongs. Too bad he was the only cause celebre for the writers this year.

If the likes of Bill Mazaroski, Pee-Wee Reese, and Red Shoendienst are in the Hall, then the likes of Jim Rice, Dale Murphy, and Jack Morris should easily be there.

It's hard fighting city hall though, isn't it?

Good for him, as he belongs. Too bad he was the only cause celebre for the writers this year.

If the likes of Bill Mazaroski, Pee-Wee Reese, and Red Shoendienst are in the Hall, then the likes of Jim Rice, Dale Murphy, and Jack Morris should easily be there.

It's hard fighting city hall though, isn't it?

True enough. I think Rice is a likely candidate next year, though. He fell only about 15 votes shy this year and can probably count on a few more next year since it'll be his last year of eligibility. Morris has a tougher road, probably just because he never liked the press and let them know it.

I was just watching Mike and Mike, and it's not a new thing, but recently i've been forced to agree. If you vote anyone from this era in, you have to vote everyone in. Even someone like Bonds.

And now for a recently pondered tin hat theory that i've slowly thought about maybe possibly accepting...

Clemens was asked about his b-12 injections and where they came from, he said that he never provided his injections and that whoever gave them supplied them.

I mean, lets play pretend for a moment. You're an up and coming trainer and you've been fortunate enough to be hired by a world class athlete. Isn't it in your best interest to turn this person into a beast? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for an athlete to be injected with things he/she doesn't know they are being injected with.

Odd thing being, Clemens was already a beast. I met him back while he was playing minor league ball in the Red Sox organization. (He went to my high school, and I was head photographer for a newspaper feature about him.) The guy was built like a battleship already.

Odd thing being, Clemens was already a beast. I met him back while he was playing minor league ball in the Red Sox organization. (He went to my high school, and I was head photographer for a newspaper feature about him.) The guy was built like a battleship already.

He's a pro athlete...

He's a pro athlete...

so is he:

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_football/CROUCH_Peter_20010324_NF_R.jpg

:lol:

He ain't amerikun

True enough. I think Rice is a likely candidate next year, though. He fell only about 15 votes shy this year and can probably count on a few more next year since it'll be his last year of eligibility. Morris has a tougher road, probably just because he never liked the press and let them know it.Jim rice was pretty vocal about his distaste for the media too.



Joe Jackson should be in the Hall, but 1st he needs to be reinstated to MLB.

"I copied (Shoeless Joe) Jackson's style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He's the guy who made me a hitter." - Babe Ruth

I was just watching Mike and Mike, and it's not a new thing, but recently i've been forced to agree. If you vote anyone from this era in, you have to vote everyone in. Even someone like Bonds.

It was either Bob Costas or Peter Gammons I don't remember which, on Mike and Mike ESPN morning show, said it I very nicely I thought. You have to put a page in the record book stating that during this era, here is what happened and when considering these records consider they may have been achieved with the aid of PEDs. Of course that is just a summary it was said much better and if I could find it I would have posted it. It is a black eye for baseball and will be a dark era in history for setting records.

NBA is not throwing out the games that Tim Donaghy officiated in, they go on record and I think MLB has to put everything in the record books. It is up to the voters if they get in the Hall.




And now for a recently pondered tin hat theory that i've slowly thought about maybe possibly accepting...

Clemens was asked about his b-12 injections and where they came from, he said that he never provided his injections and that whoever gave them supplied them.

I mean, lets play pretend for a moment. You're an up and coming trainer and you've been fortunate enough to be hired by a world class athlete. Isn't it in your best interest to turn this person into a beast? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for an athlete to be injected with things he/she doesn't know they are being injected with.

World class athletes don't hire up and coming trainers. My brother worked with MLB players in rehabbing injuries these guys know what goes into there bodies they will not risk it on a up and comer. They are notorious for being very methodical about daily routines, training, how they dress before a game, just watch the batters routine in box, they don't leave anything to risk. The B12 statement is a rip off from Rafael Palmeiro's defense and makes Clemens look even worse, and I like the guy.

In fairness, i don't think he's insinuated that the b12 could be the cause for the steroid accusation...perhaps he's setting it up.

I just finished watching it on youtube. Roger would do himself a favor not to talk, he isn't going to win in court of public opinion by being an ass to everyone. The whole phone call was weak, Roger was weak and people aren't buying his story. In other news Greg Lemond phoned Roger, I wonder what that was about.

I just finished watching it on youtube. Roger would do himself a favor not to talk, he isn't going to win in court of public opinion by being an ass to everyone. The whole phone call was weak, Roger was weak and people aren't buying his story. In other news Greg Lemond phoned Roger, I wonder what that was about.

For sure, i suspect he's trying to look like an ass because in his mind it validates what he's saying, or appears to anyways. The whole phone call proved a lot of nothing.

Two things could have happened:

1.) Macnamee could have said something that proved what he said was a lie
2.) Clemens could have said something that proved what he said wasn't a lie

Niether happened and despite the fact that Clemens seems to think this vindicates him, it really only leaves questions more unanswered. For example, why didn't Macnamee say anything that would indicate he was forced or felt forced to lie. All he said was that he felt forced to talk...

He's rationalizing big time, its just like Barry Bonds. I never took steroids but someone may have given it to me without my knowledge so its not my fault. B12, yeah right, his demeanor throughout his career seemed to imply waaay too much testosterone.

For sure, i suspect he's trying to look like an ass because in his mind it validates what he's saying, or appears to anyways. The whole phone call proved a lot of nothing.

Two things could have happened:

1.) Macnamee could have said something that proved what he said was a lie
2.) Clemens could have said something that proved what he said wasn't a lie

Niether happened and despite the fact that Clemens seems to think this vindicates him, it really only leaves questions more unanswered. For example, why didn't Macnamee say anything that would indicate he was forced or felt forced to lie. All he said was that he felt forced to talk...

One of the guys on Jim Rome's program yesterday had a good take on this. He noted that what Clemens should have been saying to McNamee is to get his ass on a plane down to Houston, stand up with Clemens in front of a bunch of reporters, and tell them that he never gave Clemens steroids and that none of the stuff about him in the Mitchell report is true. Of course, that didn't happen.

One of the guys on Jim Rome's program yesterday had a good take on this. He noted that what Clemens should have been saying to McNamee is to get his ass on a plane down to Houston, stand up with Clemens in front of a bunch of reporters, and tell them that he never gave Clemens steroids and that none of the stuff about him in the Mitchell report is true. Of course, that didn't happen.

Agreed 100% the whole phone call was much about nothing. C'mon Clemens this guy just ruined you and how you will be remembered (providing you are clean), your whole career everything you worked for now is in question and that is all you have to say to him, not buying it at all.

so is he:

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_football/CROUCH_Peter_20010324_NF_R.jpg

Holy crap, he must weigh less than a 110lbs...

Morris has a tougher road, probably just because he never liked the press and let them know it.

I don't know if I buy that argument. I think it's a matter of numbers although I figure his 10 inning 7th game shutout in 91 almost alone deserves to put him in the hall!

As far as not liking the press, Eddie Murray was notorious for his crappy attitude towards the press and he was elected first ballot easy. Some writers may hold a grudge in that regard but I'm betting most vote on the numbers.